The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 14:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable footballer - has never played in the Football League, and has only played in the Football Conference. Mattythewhite 14:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - has never played in a fully-professional league as WP:BIO states. Matty, please take note that this article could have been prodded without too much fuss, in all likelihood, so please bear that in mind before nominating any similar articles for deletion. Thanks. Qwghlm 15:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 10:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - since when is the Conference "not a professional league"? It isn't the 1950s any more. Besides, he also played for Crewe in the Championship (albeit only in a couple of friendlies) — iridescenti(talk to me!) 21:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - is on the verge of promotion with Morecambe and will almost certainly be keeping goal at Wembley in the playoff final. That's quite a big deal. Markcookney 22:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Playing at Wembley doesn't magically make someone pass WP:N. Mattythewhite 06:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment You could have waited until after the Conference play-off final to nominate a Morecambe (or Exeter City) player, as the status of one of those clubs will magically pass the notability barrier on Sunday week. If Morecambe lose, then reluctant Delete as per policy and precedent, even though I think the Conference is sufficiently professional to meet the spirit of the policy, if not the letter. - fchd 19:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - although Conference is not a fully-professional league, he may well be about to play in one for 2007-2008, as just mentioned. Worth waiting - if he gets cast adrift from Morecambe back into the lower leagues, then notability will instantly diminish. Ref(chew)(do) 01:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He hasn't played in a fully professional league yet, and I would argue that even if all Conference clubs were professional, the league isn't truly fully professional as long as it allows semi-professional clubs. --Ytny (talk) 13:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That's a bit harsh - because of the pyramid structure it's possible that a semi-pro team could get promoted to the league (or theoretically, even the Premiership) proper — iridescenti(talk to me!) 13:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was under the impression that one of the requirements for promotion to Football League was professionalism, but now that I think about it, I can't find any source to back it up. Anyway, I'm not completely set on my argument and I don't think it matters too much for the purpose of this discussion. --Ytny (talk) 13:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Surely this nomination could have waited until after the Conference Play Off Final?♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 22:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep An OK article that deserves to stay until he is signed to a pro team. --Pupster21Talk To Me 23:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep an article on someone who doesn't meet notability guidelines until such time as he does? Seems an odd approach to take.....ChrisTheDude 14:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - wait for the outcome of the play-off final Kingjamie 13:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Of course even if Morecambe win the play-off final, their players won't all suddenly pass WP:BIO until it is confirmed that they are being kept on for next season....or am I being pedantic.....? ChrisTheDude 14:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say "winner in Wembley final" (and the first competitive match played at the new Wembley if you don't count U21s) would warrant a mention even if he were dropped next season — iridescenti(talk to me!) 15:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"and the first competitive match played at the new Wembley if you don't count U21s" - and don't count the FA Trophy final, FA Vase final and FA Cup final either ;-) ChrisTheDude 15:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, the FA Trophy Final was played today, the FA Cup Final next Saturday. It might be one of the first competitive matches played at the new Wembley but it is not the first. I still believe that this nomination could have waited though. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 17:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doh! I can forgive myself overlooking the FA Trophy, but I probably vaguely knew there was some kind of match there next week... — iridescenti(talk to me!) 17:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Give it a couple of months, the player could be playing league football next season. Dave101→talk 16:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.