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The result was no consensus. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Neumann[edit]

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Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG, and has never made an appearances in a fully pro league. He has one appearance in the German cup, but it was in the first round against a fourth division team. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:36, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. —Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep - it's who you play for, not who you play against. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 22:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – Neumann is a professional footballer as well as a German U-21 international, and whilst he has not yet played in the 2. Fußball-Bundesliga for the professional club Hertha BSC, he has played for them in the DFB-Pokal, Germany's national football cup competition. So in this instance, I agree with ArtVandelay13. Jared Preston (talk) 23:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please clarify. How does this make the person notable? As far as I can tell he does not meet WP:GNG, and he certainly doesn't meet the WP:ATHLETE. The only notability guideline I'm aware of that deals with cup fixtures is WP:FOOTYN, which specifically requires both team played for and against to be fully pro, and ATHLTE specifically states that youth international appearances do not count towards notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Not enough coverage to satisfy the GNG, and cup appearances only satisfy WP:FOOTYN if both teams are professional, which isn't the case here. Recreate if and when he becomes notable.J Mo 101 (talk) 00:56, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: He does not meet the GNG and he doesn't meet WP:NFOOTY. Would Art, Jared or anyone else care to proffer a valid reason to keep? "it's who you play for, not who you play against" is not, as far as I can find, anywhere found in policy or guideline as an answer to deletion.  Ravenswing  16:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Cup appearance. Matthew_hk tc 03:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, please specify how this cup appearance makes him notable. Thanks. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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