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The result was nominator withdrew Mach61 (talk) 03:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)‎[reply]

Shayea[edit]

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WITHDRAW NOMINATION - based on the help from the article creator in finding new, reliable sources and help with translations and confusion regarding his name, birthdate and place of birth. This singer does not appear to meet notability criteria for WP:MUSICBIO nor WP:GNG. The current sourcing is almost entirely user-submitted content, or music download sites. A WP:BEFORE search finds social media, download or streaming sites like Spotify, Apple Music, and SoundCloud, but no SIGCOV whatsoever. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 15:55, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, and Iran. Netherzone (talk) 15:55, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The activity of rap singers in Iran is grateful and no festival or award is given to rap artists in Iran. But still, he is one of Iran's most famous rappers who is not allowed to work as an official artist in Iran. Shayea concerts are held outside Iran and are welcomed. In addition, 7 Sobh newspaper, which is used as a source in the article, is the official newspaper in Iran that covered the news of his presence.-- Meyboad (talk) 17:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems to have an established career with some presence, social media and coverage, which makes it more than borderline. scope_creep^Talk 13:55, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Scope creep, I trust your judgement implicitly but I'm not finding reliable information on this specific person, Mohammed Reza Shayea, born on July 31, 1992.

Here is what I'm finding so far...Online , I’m finding another Iranian rapper with the same birth name,(full name: Mohammad Reza Mohammadi), but they have a different birthdate: April 16, 1996. (I can't post the link because Issuewire is blocked by WP); and another Iranian rapper with the same birth name (full name: Mohammad Reza Gholami Fard) born on April 15, 1994.(also on Issuewire). Then there is the Persian rapper with the same name, (full name Mohammad Reza Naseri Azad) but born on February 1, 1988, who I found in wikidata [ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6411090]

Other than the sources in the article that are playlists, download/streaming sites, music purchasing sites and social media: The first source says he was born in 1372 (!) in Tehran in the city of Ray. It calls him by the name Mohamed Reza Tash. A different source in the article seems to mention a different Mohamed Reza (full name Mohamed Reza Keshavar) Who was born in King Abdul Azim City of Ray.{ https://7sobh.com/بخش-اجتماعی-35/551790-جمع-رپ-فارسی-در-نوفل-لوشاتو]. Another source in the article calls him Mohammed Reza Saseh, but later calls him Mohammad Reza Sazh, a rapper born on August 9, 1372 (!)[1].

The only source that I can positively identify as him is [2].

I'm not sure that we have enough reliable biographical information at this time to verify who is who, however, we do know he wasn't born in 1372 if he is a rapper. I admit that my translations are really rough. Perhaps @Meyboad can shed some light on this and clear up the confusion?

If we can identify 3 solid, independent, reliable sources, I'll consider withdrawing the nom, but right now it looks like it might be a TNT situation if not a notability issue. All feedback is welcome! Netherzone (talk) 21:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone Thank you, Nader, for mentioning the things that can help in your answer and for guiding me.

Regarding the popular first name, his first name is Mohammad Reza, but the correct source does not mention his last name. That's why I tried to enter his name according to the correct information available. (Reza Pishro and the other names you mentioned are also Iranian rappers, but they are different characters and different from Shayea.)

According to these cases [3][4][5], his year of birth is July 31, 1992 and he was born in the city of Ray (Shahre-Rey).

I have extracted and entered other information from the official interview Shayea in Raptaminophen program.

I will also add the things I said to the sources of the article.

Thank you for your guidance Meyboad (talk) 08:01, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Meyboad, Could you please remove any incorrect or unreliable sources from the article so we can see only the reliable ones with the correct name and birthdate?

Also please remove music streaming or music selling sources, social media or user-submitted content, leaving only the high quality newspaper or magazine sources?

That will really help to see what is actually there supporting the content in the article.

I understand the Mohammad Reza is a popular first name. What is his legal last name?

Thank you! Netherzone (talk) 12:55, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone I am glad that you will guide me how to improve the article (I will use this experience for other articles.

I will check the sources again and leave only the official sites and news.

Shayea has an interesting story. He did not show his picture for 10 years and no one saw his face. After showing his picture, no one knows what his last name is. Everyone knows and calls him Shayea, and he is mentioned by that name in interviews. Meyboad (talk) 15:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Meyboad, I changed the place of birth in the infobox to: Ray (Shahre-Rey), Tehran province, Iran. Is this correct?

Please remove from the article: any sources that have wrong information about him, or the wrong person with a similar name, or are unreliable (as specified above.) Let's try to narrow it down to 3 or 4 of the very best news sources, and go from there. On Wikipedia, all content, especially in biographies of living persons, needs to be accurate and verifiable - see WP:V for more information. Best regards, Netherzone (talk) 15:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Rey is Trust,

His name was finally revealed.

According to the statement of the Iranian Ministry of Culture, Iran's official news agencies revealed his full name during the events that happened a few days ago for his concert in Iran. Mohammad-Reza Dadashpour (محمدرضا داداش پور) [6][7][8] Meyboad (talk) 15:15, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Meyboad, I looked at these sources, and they look fine. I also see his name is Mohammad Reza Dadashpour "Sha'i" in that article. I want to confirm with you, is Sha'i the same as Shayea but in the Iranian language? Netherzone (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I'm glad I got it right and improved the article (with your help, of course). Yes, this name is "شایع" in Farsi, which is also written as Shayea, Sha'i, Shaye in Finglish (using English characters for Farsi writing). Meyboad (talk) 20:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks for working with me in such a collegial manner. I am going to withdraw the nomination. It may take a little time for an admin to process the change. Netherzone (talk) 20:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you're welcome,

Also, thank you for the helpful tips. Meyboad (talk) 21:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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