The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:30, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SkyGrid[edit]

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Article entirely written by April Souvannarith, a SkyGrid employee. The article reads like an advertisement, and uses SkyGrid's site, press releases, and other self-published sources extensively. Ms. Souvannarith recently removed "COI", "Advert", and "Primary Sources" tags from the page without dealing with these issues. Even if the company is assumed to be notable, the article would require an extensive rewrite. Another article that this user created, Kevin Pomplun, was about SkyGrid's CEO and was recently speedy deleted. Dimension31 (talk) 03:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Probably qualifies for speedy deletion as unambiguous advertising: SkyGrid’s name comes from the combining the word “Sky” representing a limitless space and “Grid” a simple way to organize an unlimited amount of information.... building technology to create a way for people to see what information was traveling the fastest.... building technology to create a way for people to see what information was traveling the fastest.

Note also that if we don't delete this, it substantially increases the possibility that powerful androids will be sent back in time from the future to the present to menace you and your children. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:22, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Dimension31 and Smerdis. Thanks for the helpful reply. I posted a reply here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:SkyGrid), but it looks like that's not the right place. I also apologize for removing the posts at the top of the page, I understand wikis and thought I was supposed to remove it with the cleaned up article. I've now updated the article with your suggestions

removed all references to our site, press releases, and self-published sources (I mentioned my reason for that on the talk page originally)
have only notable third-party sources like CNN, The Washington Post, Reuters, the USPTO, and others
have removed the reference to our name, which some people had asked about

Also I asked our engineering team about "information traveling the fastest" and that is actually a reference to a physical property of velocity. In other words it's a literal statement about measurement. Your suggestions are very clear and I'd like to update the article with any other changes we need. We're also rewriting the article about our CEO which we created in the format of several other wikipedia articles and by using NPOV, "verifiability", and "no original research". What you said here will be helpful also.

If you have any other suggestions, please let me know. Souvanna (talk) 9:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Delete. Even after Souvanna's supposed improvements, the article still reads like an ad and still has about 15 out of 18 self-published sources. This may be related to the fact that the article was entirely written by a SkyGrid employee. Dimension31 (talk) 07:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep I pruned back a lot of the article due to COI issues, I think there are enough source to indicate its notability though: [1][2][3][4] Qrsdogg (talk) 20:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update Qrsdogg's improvements were removed by Souvanna. Dimension31 (talk) 20:36, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please Keep & Help Hello Dimension31, Smerdis, and Qrsdogg. I've read more about WikiPedia Policies and have learned a few things that are helpful for the discussion of the article. I read that there are Talk Page Guidelines, and was happy to learn that I have the right for others to treat me in a way that meets these Wikipedia policies -

Personal details posted without my consent fall under Talk_page_guidelines#Behavior_that_is_unacceptable and Wikipedia let me know "Users who post what they believe are the personal details of other users without their consent may be blocked for any length of time, including indefinitely."
No insults are allowed under Talk_page_guidelines#Behavior_that_is_unacceptable and the comment about SkyGrid menacing people and their children is an insult and does help me write a better article
I also think I've been very open I'm new...and learning and was happy to see Good Practices Talk_page_guidelines#Good_practices let me know others should "be welcoming to newcomers" and to "assume it was an unwitting mistake.

If you can help me and follow these three policies, I will really appreciate it.

Specifically for the article, I looked at the sources and when you said "15 out of 18 are self-published sources", I counted and 3 out of 21 were which shows that was not the case. I also appreciate Qrsdogg mentioning the sources are notable.

For the article, I was asked to show notability and did. And then the items showing notability were deleted. Like I said above, I just want to help make a post that meets Wikipedia criteria and am excited for others to improve it over time. One other note is that the details on management were not all correct, and I also thought the way they were written seemed like they were not under NPOV. Because if they were under NPOV, they would include people who have joined as well as left the company, to be neutral, but they just include people who've left and quote negative items, so it appears it's not following the policy of NPOV#Due_and_undue_weight. I also think from what you said before about notability, the details of a smaller company and who has joined or left meet notability. I'm now going to update the article, and would really appreciate it, if you could give me help and suggest any changes here.

I'm sure everyone's just trying to help and I feel much more comfortable now I know Jimbo Wales Policy #2 and #7 User:Jimbo_Wales/Statement_of_principles#Principles "Newcomers are always to be welcomed" and that people are to "present their problems in a constructive way...working for a common goal". To be open, I felt a little bullied before, and now feel better. I'm happy we can all make Wikipedia better together. Souvanna (talk) 02:55, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update: The article is now edited and was updated according to the suggestions at the top of the page. Specifically -

For 'puffery' I went through the article and did not find any word that promotes. I think this may have been because of the word 'fastest', but that is used to describe the type of measurement, not to as a comparative word about the technology.
For 'sources of reference it now has 18 and 0 I think that are not from third-party publications.
For NPOV, I tried to write every sentence as a literal fact. If you think we should remove the sections about SkyGrid's being featured by Apple and Google please let me know. Before I was told we needed to show notability, and am not sure. I'd like to just make sure it meets NPOV. Souvanna (talk) 03:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response These edits are totally ridiculous. You fail to understand the concept of COI and the Wikipedia policies you link to. Dimension31 (talk) 20:36, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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