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The result was redirect to List of colleges affiliated to the University of Calicut#Sneha College of Architecture. ansh 666 20:23, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sneha College of Architecture[edit]

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As seems to be, this article must have been created for promotional purposes. Issues like no citation , no wikilink and being created by an inactive user with just 2 edits has strengthened my doubt. ARKA (talk) 20:16, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete as direct copy from snehacollegeofarchitecture.com. Jack N. Stock (talk) 03:04, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete still fails notability and verifiability guidelines as the only source is the web site. Jack N. Stock (talk) 12:39, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Redirect as there is a helpful redirect target. We can verify this college exists and little else, but this is enough to list it in another article and have a redirect to that mention. Jack N. Stock (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per Jacknstock, tagged with G12 ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 05:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete After the amendment. Doesn't meet WP:GNG and don't have a single secondary source. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 09:51, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect I agree with Doncram though. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 12:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I stubbed the article to eliminate the copyvio, so speedy delete is no longer appropriate. This is an article by a faculty member (a Word document rather than a journal article). The college's website is http://snehacollegeofarchitecture.com/ , and I have added it to the article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:41, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The link to the Word document doesn't work. Jack N. Stock (talk) 12:39, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I added a ((Find sources AFD)) abive for what I think is the Malayalam name of the college, but couldn't find anything. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:03, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Jacknstock ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 09:58, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Education in Palakkad district There are two Sneha Colleges in Attayampathy, Palakkad that are part of this group: Sneha College of Teacher Education [1] and Sneha College of Architecture [2], but single-line government entry existence is about as far as the coverage goes in secondary sources that aren't COI sources. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:50, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There is no way this should be deleted outright. Either:

A) it is substantially a part of University of Calicut and can be (or is already?) mentioned in that article, in which case "Redirect" could be an Alternative to deletion. There is mention at the University of Calicut article that it is an "affiliating"-type university which I don't understand. If it is a university similar to those in the U.S. with which I am more familiar, then note that we don't automatically create or accept articles on each component college or department, but we certainly can mention every component in the university article. Here, there is not yet any substantial development about the college, so there is no apparent need yet to split it out to a separate article.

The fact we can't tell whether it is affiliated to a university or independent is part of the reason for deletion. There is nothing verifiable about it. All we have is a web site. There are no search results in either English or Malayalam, and I could not find an article in the other language WPs. With policy requiring WP:V and WP:NOR, there is simply nothing to say in an article and nothing to merge. A delete & redirect would also be OK, but that is substantially the same as delete because any editor could go back and create a redirect after deletion. Jack N. Stock (talk) 19:38, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect or "Merge" [was "Keep", tentatively], though "Redirect" could also be appropriate depending on facts here (see comment just above). There has been no assertion of fraud or non-existence of this collegiate school that I am aware of, so all the good reasons for wp:SCHOOLOUTCOMES apply.--Doncram (talk) 05:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

An affiliation with a university doesn't mean it's automatically notable. There are 480 affiliated colleges according to University_of_Calicut#Affiliated_colleges AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:15, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that link helps, and gets one further to List of colleges affiliated to the University of Calicut, a possible redirect target. Apparently they are all degree-granting with undergraduate or post-grad degrees, so technically in my view they all can be presumed to be Wikipedia-notable, if anyone cares to develop out substantial info justifying split out from briefer listing. But that doesn't mean we have to have separate articles about any of them now. Redirect/merge to the list-article seems best for now. --Doncram (talk) 19:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm sorry, but this looks like a case of laziness. It took me five minutes to add two independent and reliable sources, one from the affiliating university and one from CoA, both showing that the institute exists, is recognized and awards secondary degrees (B. Arch). This is usually enough to keep an article about a degree-granting secondary school. I ask that previous !voters re-consider their stand with this new data. --Muhandes (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Those are just directory entries and not significant coverage of the school. If it were just a private vocational school without degrees, it wouldn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. But since it's a degree-granting school and not some certificates, it may get away with existence, but it's closer to a permastub. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:42, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what notability this is being claimed to establish. See WP:NSCHOOL, which states that "For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria" of WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Even if you're relying on WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, it states that independently accredited degree-awarding institutions are usually kept. This is not an independently accredited school, it is dependent on the affiliating university. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES also states that the current notability guidelines for schools and other education institutions are WP:N, WP:NGEO and WP:ORG. All you have shown is that it exists. This is a school that admits at most 40 students per year and has virtually no coverage, just the briefest of mentions in a couple of lists. It is a very long reach to state that this is a "keep." My usual concern with AfDs regarding schools on the Subcontinents is WP:BIAS, but no equivalent school in any country merits an encyclopedia article. Jack N. Stock (talk) 02:53, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The term independently accredited may mean different things in different countries. To the best of my understanding, in India all higher education is controlled by the University Grants Commission (UGC). The UGC delegates the power of accreditation to the professional councils. The one for architecture is the Council of Architecture (CoA) which is sourced in the article. Therefore, strictly speaking, this college is independently accredited. Technical colleges can also choose to get additionally assessed and accredited by the National Assessment and Accreditation Council (NAAC), or by the National Board of Accreditation (NBA) in some cases, but I believe this is only mandatory for government funded colleges and is rarely done by small private colleges. Having bothered to say all that, I'm not sure how I got to this discussion and I promised myself to care less, so I will detach myself from this argument. Have fun. --Muhandes (talk) 17:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There's no clear consensus between Keep and Redirect yet; and it's unclear whether List of colleges affiliated to the University of Calicut or Education in Palakkad district should be the redirect target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:39, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I revised the first of those to include a redirect target, an anchor at List of colleges affiliated to the University of Calicut#Sneha College of Architecture, so that this could be resolved by Redirect to that. I merged other brief info to there, and don't see a need for there to be a separate article split out about Sneha yet. I also added a wikilink to Sneha College of Architecture from the Education in Palakkad district article. The latter is meant to list high schools and more, and seems broader and less appropriate as redirect target for Sneha. --Doncram (talk) 19:43, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree, List of colleges affiliated to the University of Calicut seems a more useful and pertinent redirect. Jack N. Stock (talk) 04:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm okay with either redirect location. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 06:19, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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