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The result was keep. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:16, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spike and Tyke (characters)[edit]

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Not seeing any in-depth coverage, seems to fail NFICTION/GNG. Effectively unreferenced (PLOT+media apperances), BEFORE fails to show any in-depth analysis. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:17, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:17, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comments and animation-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 18:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I just added references from Don Markstein's Toonopedia, Who's Who in Animated Cartoons, The Encyclopedia of American Cartoons, and American Funny Animal Comics in the 20th Century. All of these are reliable sources with non-trivial real-world information. There is also material in Jeff Lenburg's The Great Cartoon Directors, Leonard Maltin's Of Mice and Magic: A History of American Animated Cartoons, and Walter Brasch's Cartoon Monickers: An Insight into the Animation Industry. -- Toughpigs (talk) 19:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you elaborate which of those goes beyond WP:PLOT? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 19:43, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

None of them are about plot at all. Did you look at them? Toonopedia is entirely real-world -- the dates and titles of cartoons in the series, when they moved beyond being bit players to their own solo cartoons, how they were used in comics, and how they informed the creation of another set of characters. The Encyclopedia of Animated Cartoons has information on the dates, titles and voices for the theatrical cartoons, and their inclusion in later television shows. American Funny Animal Comics in the 20th Century has information on their appearances in the comic strip and solo comic books, including differences between their characterizations in the cartoons and the comics. The Great Cartoon Directors and Of Mice and Magic have similar kinds of coverage. I don't think there's an in-universe word in any of them; I can't imagine why you think they fail WP:PLOT. -- Toughpigs (talk) 22:01, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Tom and Jerry characters#Spike and Tyke for being a huge plot summary and listing trivial appearance info, with some obvious WP:OR mixed in. The characters should definitively be covered on en.wiki, but an entry in a character list would currently better satisfy WP:WAF than this undue spinout. – sgeureka ^t•c 16:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect. Fancruft. Sro23 (talk) 15:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Since more sources were added. Dimadick (talk) 15:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the improvements by Toughpigs in adding reliable sources to the article so that there is now multiple real world referencing which can be used to expand the article, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - The above sources that I can search give basic, trivial coverage on the topic amounting to a sentence or two each. If the others give more in-depth coverage, the current state of the article fails to reflect it. TTN (talk) 12:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting because more sources have been added to the article. Please take a look and we'll review as more comments come in. Thanks everyone for your participation and assuming good faith!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 16:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I belive these characters pass GNG.★Trekker (talk) 14:54, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I say we just have the article for spike and merge Tyke. Spike is the main antagonist to one of the most famous cartoons in history. I think that means we should keep this article with a few changes of course. 11S117 (talk) 3:04, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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