The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tahseen Jabbary[edit]

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PROD removed, without comment, by what seems to be the author's IP. The article is just a list with no context or encyclopaedic content. It reads like a dump of a cv/resume. Notability and verifiability are in question as the list is mostly referenced to other Wikipedia articles where the author's assumed IP has added mention of the subject himself. The non-Wikipedia references are enough to verify that the subject is a Dutch football coach but not much more than that. Googling reveals not much. The subject is apparently available for work ([1]). The only detailed coverage of his career ([2] comes from his agency but it does at least agree with much of what is on the list. It does not seem to add up to notability to me even if he does have extensive coaching experience. He gets just three Google News hits. DanielRigal (talk) 19:11, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This is merely a list and in no way resembles an encyclopedia entry. It is more of a data sheet.Rotmo (talk) 20:41, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —DanielRigal (talk) 19:18, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:21, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 17:15, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this news piece confirms that Jabbary was coach of Syrian team Al-Majd at the 2009 AFC Cup. The AFC Cup is the highest continental club competition in Asia, and so I believe that this guy is notable. Article needs a massive clean up though - which I'll do so momentarily. Giant Snowman 17:25, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article is looking a lot better than it was before but I still wonder if the notability is enough. He is a coach not a manager, right? Do we have any guidelines on when coaches are notable? --DanielRigal (talk) 23:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In football, the term 'coach' and 'manager' are sometimes interchangeable; looking at match reports & the context of the sources, it appears that Jabbary was actually the 'Manager' i.e. number 1 in charge! Giant Snowman 18:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Somebody keeps on reposting the original badly referenced and unencyclopaedic content into the article. Ironically their attempt to use the article for promotion is undermining GiantSnowman's attempt to save it by making it into a decent stub. I think we may have an ongoing problem here as they seem pretty determined. If the article is kept then I recommend to semi-protect it. If it is deleted then I recommend to salt it, at least for a few months. --DanielRigal (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A head coach/manager of a team in a fully professional league that took part in continental competition. He is now with VVV-Venlo according to this. If the article is kept then I agree with DanielRigal. Protection would stop the persistent disruption from IPs. Argyle 4 Life^talk 18:57, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't trust that site one bit - no mention of Jabbary AT ALL from the VVV-Venlo official site. Giant Snowman 14:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

True, that is why I didn't put it in as a reference. I searched for mentions of him at quite a few of the clubs it claims he was involved with, but didn't find anything. Unless he was involved very low down the pecking order at most of those clubs, then it's someone being creative. Argyle 4 Life^talk 18:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the most likely explanation is that he was involved with those clubs in a minor or temporary capacity and his agency is trying to trump it up to sound more impressive than it really is. I doubt they would put outright lies on his profile. That would be too likely to backfire on them. There is also the claim that he may be Dutch instead of, or as well as, Iraqi. I doubt they would lie about that either but we don't have any solid RS to support it. When I nominated for deletion my main concern was notability but clearly verifiability is also a problem. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.