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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:16, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tatiana Marinescu[edit]

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I see no basis for considering this individual notable. - Biruitorul ^Talk 02:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article was tagged for G11 speedy by the nominator while it was being actively edited by its author.[1] As CSD is a different standard than notability, and the article did make an assertion of notability and had been further expanded and contained sourcing, User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz declined the speedy.[2] The nominator then brought the article to AFD for discussion,[3] User:EEng re-tagged it for speedy 38 minutes later,[4] perhaps unaware that an earier G11 speedy had been declined. Seeing that it had been a second time tagged for the same speedy... and AFTER it had been sent to AFD... I declined the second speedy. Note: While not in English, there do appear to be a number of sources dealing with this person, although they are in the Romanian language.[5] So if it can be determined that this person is notable to Romania through Romanian coverage meeting the WP:GNG, that is good enough for en.Wikipdedia, and any concern with tone and sourcing can be addressed with regular editing. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:04, 2 November 2011 (UTC)0[reply]

Yeah, I didn't notice the earlier speedy, sorry. Obviously it's a bad idea to keep re-adding speedies (on purpose, anyway) but I do have a question: as a technical matter, is there some provision forbidding speedies while the article is at AfD? I'm asking because I'm guessing you, of all people, would know of such a provision if it exists. EEng (talk) 11:14, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Actually, a lot of those sources off the Google search linked above are in Turkish. I can't say that I'm wowwed by the potential sourcing, but neither am I grumpy enough about this piece to advise deletion. Not sure if she is a public figure, in Romania or Turkey or elsewhere, not sure that she isn't... Carrite (talk) 15:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, there ya go, I missed it: For a while, she took a break from modeling and moved to Istanbul to be part of Beyaz Show, a famous entertainment show in Turkey[2]. Also, she shined in the spot of cameras for Kara Murat, a famous Turkish TV series where she was cast in the lead role, playing the influencing wife of a greek general , always threatening the life of the Sultan. Bios of TV stars are usually kept around these parts... Carrite (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I think we can do better than to trust the article to say accurate things, when we're discussing the very rationale for its existence - it's like trusting Philip Morris to tell you that cigarettes are good for the lungs. Here's Today's Zaman: "Director Chris Roche is currently shooting a follow-up to the 1970s’ historical saga “Kara Murat” -- made famous by the lead character played by Cüneyt Arkın -- in the Black Sea city of Trabzon using new filmmaking technology. Titled 'Kara Murat: Mora’nın Ateşi' (Kara Murat: The Fire of Morea), the new installment stars Nefise Karatay, Bahadır Sarı, Tatiana Marinescu, Hakan Ural, Kerem Alışık, İlker İnanoğlu and Suna Selen. Release date: December 2011". Meaning she is not in the lead role, meaning the show is not yet released, meaning we don't know if she will get any reviews, meaning the article lies through it teeth, meaning wikipedia is used for promoting this person. As for "to be part of Beyaz Show, a famous entertainment show in Turkey" - cut out the chin music, and what you get is that she had a cameo, maybe even a dancing girl routine, on some talk show - unless she was the interviewer, or was herself interviewed on each episode of that show. As a general observation, an actress who leaves Romania for Turkey is not really a success story; the thing to do is to head west, my daughter.

That said: as a native Romanian speaker (something the AfD nominator himself is), I can tell you the following: the Romanian sources that showed up until I got tired of googling are all tabloids and gossip columns, with relevant titles such as "Tatiana Marinescu - Nude and without Inhibitions", "TM Will Undress for the Animals" (meaning for an animal welfare cause, but so very ironic...), "TM Poses with Eva Mendes", "TM Says No to 30,000 Dollar because Catwalk Located in Club", "TM Says: Bastian Schweinsteiger Enjoys Flirt, but Has Girlfriend", "Man who Obsesses about Stars Makes another Hit: TM", "TM to Model a New Pair of Shoes", "TM, Sexy Vegeterian"... But don't take my word for it, restrict your search and try google translate - see if there's anything from the professional field of acting in your first 50,000 results, and I'll change my vote. Dahn (talk) 11:57, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per my comment above. Dahn (talk) 11:57, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eluchil404 (talk) 23:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as lacking independent sources for claims. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:18, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing to indicate notability, certainly not in indep. RS. EEng (talk)

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