The Defiant (band)

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A newly created band consisting of notable members fails to establish independent notability. I tried, but couldn't find significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. A Google News search yielded some sources, but they mostly consist of passing mentions or routine coverage. IMO, it fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:NBAND and is a possible case of WP:NOTINHERITED. GSS ^💬 07:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, and United States of America. GSS ^💬 07:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:BAND#C6, coverage in the Boston Globe and Phoenix New Times. Mach61 08:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt these sources discuss the band in detail; rather, they likely provide routine coverage. GSS ^💬 08:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS why are you writing this as if you haven't actually read the linked articles Mach61 17:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's your assumption; nothing else. Could you explain how the sources you mentioned above satisfy WP:INDEPTH? GSS ^💬 17:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS The New Times piece is over 1000 words long Tangential:INDEPTH links to WP:Notability (events), which is obviously not applicable in this case. Perhaps you caught a case of WP:UPPERCASE? Mach61 18:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
⁤I agree that the article is lengthy, but it seems to lack sufficient independent focus on the band itself. ⁤⁤Throughout this article, the band's name is mentioned only five times, excluding the title and image description, and often in passing. ⁤⁤It's quite normal to receive such attention in the media when the subject is linked to notable people. ⁤⁤However, as of now, since the band was formed, it hasn't achieved anything notable. ⁤⁤They have released a few single and only one album, and that too on a non-notable label. ⁤⁤While the band has garnered some attention because of its notable founding members, this doesn't establish independent notability. Therefore, I would say it's too soon for an independent article until the band becomes independently notable. GSS ^💬 04:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS Your statement that Throughout this article, the band's name is mentioned only five times, excluding the title and image description, and often in passing} is nonsensical, the term "passing mention" refers to coverage 1-2 sentences long in an article. Obviously, an article about the band is not a passing mention of them.

Your statement that the band hasn't "achieved" anything notable is just an opinion; I've already shown two sources covering them in detail Mach61 23:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]