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The result was delete. ✗plicit 13:28, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Miami Bull[edit]

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This sculpture does not meet WP:GNG criteria as a notable work of art. The article is a promotional COI creation by the company that commissioned the work. There have been no critical/art historical reviews of this work; no coverage sustained over a period of time that one would find for a notable work. The article sourcing consists of one article in the Miami Herald, and what looks like native advertising or a human interest story in Business News. Netherzone (talk) 06:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Arts, Visual arts, and Florida. Netherzone (talk) 06:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unambiguous advertising. Nate • (chatter) 19:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete crypto spamvertisement. Star Mississippi 20:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to TradeStation. Getting rid of the headers and shortening the description of the relationship to the Wall Street version will leave a reasonable paragraph for inclusion there. Sculpture, even derivatively and as advertisement, is sculpture. On a side note, strictly speaking, the name of the piece should be The Miami Bullock, since it has no testicles. BD2412 T 04:32, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It looks the art is barely relatable to the company. I was thinking the same method at first but I think a delete is better here. The company sponsored it and we don't know if the public art will have lasting effect. – The Grid (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Agreed, this is literally physical sponsored content, and while the other bull statues are in prominent public places commissioned as a public good...this one is on a community college campus where its likely they had to pay to put it somewhere because the city probably refused to put Cleatus the Football Robot's castrated bull friend in a park. Nate • (chatter) 23:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm not sure that it is really Public art at all, and therefore should not be categorized thusly. It is a commissioned object in the form of a techno-bull/bullock placed in an outdoor space. Public art is a different animal entirely, it is created through a public process for the benefit of the general public. This object is an advertising agency's conception, not an artist's conception (the artist only fabricated it), so it's questionable if it is art at all or rather a form of advertorial spectacle signage. Netherzone (talk) 01:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do we have a general consensus on things like cow parades and other installations in cities that are paid for public art? I know we have CowParade for one specific brand, but not sure on the broader concept. Star Mississippi 02:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Star - I've always thought of CowParade as not being public art. To my way of thinking, which might be unpopular, they are like coloring books: templates where others, including artists, color or decorate the surface of the mass-produced fiberglas Cow objects. These are then sometimes raffled or auctioned off for a cause or are celebrated as a tourist attraction. Netherzone (talk) 02:29, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's definitely a difference and I think you and I mostly agree, terminology aside. My opinion (editor, not admin) is The Miami Bull is closer to physical spon con in the way CowParade is whereas something like The Gates or the same artists' wrapping of the Arc de Triomphe is art that just happens to be outdoors vs. inside a museum. Someone organically creates outdoor art, whereas a brand commissions a piece that happens to be outside. While some like Fearless Girl are clearly notable for other reasons, I don't know if we have consensus on them as a whole. Separately-holy hell CowParade is a mess. Star Mississippi 02:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, and I like the term cryptospamvertisement you've coined. Netherzone (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I stated public art because it seemed like the closest thing to state for familiarity or brevity. I agree with the cryptospamvertisement assessment when looking at this with NPOV. (stating that I have no bias to crypto) – The Grid (talk) 14:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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