The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No Consensus, Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 05:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ThereIsNoRadio and The Asylum and DJNewStyle[edit]

Non notable pod-cast style internet radio station and shows that are on it. ThereIsNoRadio.com has an alexa rank of 1,572,444. ThereIsNoRadio gets 333 hits on goggle. But does not appear to have gained the intrest of any major media. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Indigo Kitchen which I submitted before I knew about these other articles. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 00:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, there has been historic pattern for the deletion of internet radio stations, they are not suitable encyclopedia content--nixie 01:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Correction: These are actually live broadcasts, not podcasts. However, my nomination remains. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 01:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Not notable, really. Deskana 09:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Deskana Stifle 11:23, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I read through all the reasons for deletion to find out why any of these should be removed and I cannot find any reasons for deletion that apply. I see where radio stations are allowed. ThereIsNoRadio one may not have thousands of websites linking to it today, but some of the DJ's on it are affiliated with and it does get mentioned regularly on Ron and Fez (XM 202)and The Hideout (WTKS). DJNewStyle is a regular contributor to Opie and Anthony on XM 202, and The Asylum is strongly affiliated with The Hideout through Badmonkey (who also runs ThereIsNoRadio). Most of these shows have been around for almost 2 years on RadioBBQ.net. I'll quit now as this is turning into it's own wikipedia entry. Randomgenius 02:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This user has only contributed to related articles and this AfD. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 19:22, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course radio stations are allowed. But the question here is if ThereIsNoRadio notable. What makes it any different from the thousands of other internet radio stations? In my opinion, being plugged by another radio show (albiet a non-internet show) is not a claim to notabilty. At the very least this should all be merged into The Hideout. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 21:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • First you say they've had no major media attention, then when major media attention is pointed out you call it just a "plug". Is the station notable? The station is ranked #13 in talk on Live365 and rapidly climbing due to it's 100% original and exclusive programming. It's not a jukebox or playlist, it's a radio station with talk and music shows, most of which are live. There are DJ's that either are involved with or have been involved with terrestrial radio shows, some of which are now on XM 202. Why would this be merged into The Hideout? That doesn't make any sense at all. They may be somewhat related, but The Hideout and ThereIsNoRadio are entirely different things. Should we now also note that none of your contributions have anything to do with internet radio, The Hideout, XM 202, Ron and Fez, Opie and Anthony, or anything else related to this discussion and that you might not be knowledgeable enough on the subjects to judge notability? I could understand a request to merge the show entries with the station entry, but deletion for all seems excessive when based entirely on the number of internet radio stations out there. The lack of notability alexa has with ThereIsNoRadio listeners shouldn't count against it. Randomgenius 22:07, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • As I understand it the man who founded ThereIsNoRadio works on The Hideout, so it certainly sounds like a plug. If this is not the case could you please elaborate on the nature of it? The kind of media attention I was thinking of was an article about it in a national media publication or respected music journal - Something we can cite as a reference in the article.
        • Badmonkey does not work for the Hideout. He worked for the Hideout in Washington, DC for over a year. ThereIsNoRadio is kind of a continuation of RadioBBQ, which has been written about at DCRTV, a well known and respected website for radio and tv information in the Washington, DC area. Randomgenius 19:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • You say that it is currently ranked #13 on Live365. That's a good start, it should be added to the article. Although, I should point out that neither the #1, #2 or #3 ranked station on Live365 has an article here.
      • As for my ability to rate the notability of the station; I should point about that although I nominated these articles, I haven't voted on this yet and I shall continue to abstain for the moment. I am however extremely wary of the notability of ThereIsNoRadio, considering we normally delete Internet Radio stations. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 22:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • There are entire sections of wikipedia dedicated to internet radio, internet radio stations, and even internet radio devices. Randomgenius 19:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Make separate entries for each page Bensaccount 04:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm willing to do this. But may I ask why? --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 19:22, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This is a valid and well-established internet radio station. Certainly Wikipedia recognizes the importance of the INTERNET and it's future in broadcasting. 67.185.71.34
  • Please, where is the evidence it is well-established? I would rather see this article fixed, but so far the only claim to importance is the affiliation with another radio show. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 13:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you actually read any of this, you'd realize that ThereIsNoRadio is not important because of affiliation with one show. The station is important enough that other radio shows and stations talk about it. One of the DJ's was removed from the station a few months back and it was discussed for over 45 minutes on Ron and Fez. Randomgenius 19:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes! That does sound like a claim to notabilty. Why isn't it in the article? I added it along with the other thing you mentioned. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib)
• Keep ThereIsNoRadio and merge related articles into it per discussions above. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 19:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• so does this mean we can get rid of that ugly "hey lets delete this" block on the top of the entry now that the person that submitted this for deletion has changed his mind? Randomgenius 03:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nope. Others have still voted to have this article deleted. Their votes are still valid. You must wait for the AfD to finish. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 11:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.