The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was a mixed bag (see below).

The general policy based consensus is to

(1) Keep Bogdan Stoyanov, Aleksandar Mitushev and Krasimir Durchov as they meet WP:ATHLETE.

(2) Delete all the others as they do not meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:GNG.

Also, it appears that some of these players could pass our notability criteria in the future; at that point and the articles should be restored/recreated at that point.—SpacemanSpiff 14:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Todor Dankov and associated pages[edit]

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This article, and all those bundled here, are all articles relating to footballers playing below the top division of football in Bulgaria, or to players who play in the top division but have not made an appearance. This fails WP:ATHLETE; add to the fact that many of these are unreferenced BLPs, and the user who created them has been warned about this in the past but ignored it, I say delete all. Strange Passerby (talk) 06:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Per User:Jogurney below, keep Bogdan Stoyanov, Aleksandar Mitushev and Krasimir Durchov; but still delete all others. Strange Passerby (talk) 00:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages (this list largely taken from the 45 articles at User talk:Gandev88#Unreferenced BLPs, although I have left those about players who've played in a PFL which have since had one citation added to them):

It is likely that there are more articles like this which are not nominated here because they aren't currently tagged as unreferenced BLPs. Strange Passerby (talk) 07:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. No chances of expanding any of them into something like a biography - unless, of course, they advance to a different league. But not now. East of Borschov 11:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Bogdan Stoyanov, Aleksandar Mitushev and Krasimir Durchov, Delete all others. I agree with the nominator's rationale (and I have left messages for Gandev88 about notability/sourcing which went unanswered), however, you need to be careful as Stoyanov, Mitushev and Durchov have all played in the A PFG (I added cites to the articles which verify this). Also, while I agree that the other players are not currently notable, some are on the books of A PFG clubs (e.g., Kiril Ognyanov), so the articles should be able to be re-created when (if) they play in that level. Jogurney (talk) 23:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - For full disclosure, I did raise a question at ANI in the past about the creator of these articles, which was satisfactorily answered. Jogurney (talk) 23:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - thanks for double-checking my list for me; I have changed my opinion to keep the three who meet WP:ATHLETE (but will leave them listed to see if others feel the same). Strange Passerby (talk) 00:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Haven't checked the whole list and won't be able to tonight, but http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.joueurs.ivailo.radencov.78165.en.html lists Ivailo Radencov as having four starts in A PFG. Because I came to this in passing and in a rush, you should double-check that I'm reading that right before believing me. --j⚛e decker^talk 05:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• I have put a lot of hard work to add many footballers who are playing in the bulgarian football in wikipedia.And now you tell me that they will be deleted, just because there is a rule in wikipedia, that only players from first division should be submitted.Well I thought the idea of wikipedia was to grow as online encyclopedy, not a website full of rules.You can tell me that I'm wrong if I submitted wrong information, but all I have done is contributing to this site so that when a person living in a town with 10000 people in there can go to wikipedia and see information for all the football players playing in his small town.This was what I wanted to say.If you delete the articles I have contributed to this site and I will never come back to wikipedia and to add articles, just because of a stupid rule! Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gandev88 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It might be that the Bulgarian Wikipedia has different guidelines on this; you're free to ask there, but on English Wikipedia these articles simply don't meet requirements. Your passion for Bulgarian lower-league football, as well as your original goal (if misguided), is commendable. I hope you'll consider asking at bg.wiki whether these articles have a place there. Strange Passerby (talk) 12:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gandev88, all of these articles can be kept if they pass the general notability guideline regardless of whether the person is playing football in the first division. The problem is that almost all of these articles consist of one sentence, an infobox and a link for footballdatabase.eu. If you look at better quality articles like Hristo Stoichkov you can see that articles about footballers ought to describe why they are notable (showing information about career accomplishments, etc) and provide reliable sources (I'm not sure whether footballdatabase.eu meets the standard, but most Bulgarian language newspapers would). Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 15:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps these would be more suited for the Bulgarian Wikipedia? Tangurena (talk) 16:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep / delete as per Jogurney. GiantSnowman 17:29, 31 August 2010 (UT C)
• Delete all, even the three that have played in the first division. Not one of them makes so much as a tentative claim of meeting the general notability guideline. --WFC-- 17:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all per WFC Sandman888 (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all. Keep three. Bogdan Stoyanov, Aleksandar Mitushev and Krasimir Durchov. They appear to meet the criteria. Argyle 4 Life^talk 15:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I think it's unwise to delete the three that have played in the A PFG. I did a very quick google search and found dozens of articles (albeit most of them brief) covering Aleksandar Mitushev in the Bulgarian sport magazines and press. I have to believe Bogdan Stoyanov and Krasimir Durchov would also pass the GNG quite easily, I just don't have the time at the moment to expand the articles/add cites. Jogurney (talk) 02:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. As noted above, some of these players are clearly notable, the AFD seems to be poorly researched. We've discussed previously that these mass deletion of articles is unwise, as it doesn't allow for proper research of each person. No prejudice against relisting some of the articles individually. Nfitz (talk) 13:42, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Wow. Keep for sure, it goes against the spirit of the wiki to destroy so many of one man's edits. I'm open to relisting them one by one and taking each article on its own merits. But this just stinks of persecution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidDublin (talk • contribs) 13:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • That argument is flawed; we would "destroy one man's edits" en masse if they were speedy-able. A vast majority of articles listed here are currently failing GNG; there's absolutely no reason these articles should be kept just because we'd "destroy" the edits if we don't keep. Strange Passerby (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not the spirit of the wiki. There are specific guidelines about favouring contructive edits rather than destructive edits. I think this is an outrage that the Bulgarian players have all been singled out like this. You guys will do what you guys like, but you will lose a passionate for football wiki editor and in my opinion that's a bad thing. It's better to edit the pages and bring them up to standard rather than delete them en masse. This is especially true since some of these players clearly meet your defined WP:ATH criteria. btw the Bulgarian wiki is for the Bulgarian language. The English wiki is not geographic specific - it should not discriminate against countries because they have their own language. It is not an acceptable alternative to ask this man to move his edits there. DavidDublin (talk) 14:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't think we should keep any article because the creator threatens to quit Wikipedia if it's deleted (essentially what Gandev88 has done here). We can try and bring the articles up to our notability standards (I took a crack at 1 of 3 that are likely to make it), but this particular user has struggled to follow our policy. I think it's just a lack of technical know-how (as evidenced by the ANI I linked above), but he could certainly take the lead on improving the articles if he's so desperate for them to be kept. Jogurney (talk) 18:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all with the exception of the three mentioned above who meet WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and delete per Jogurney. Some of the others may also satisfy WP:ATHLETE but it's difficult to tell unless you can read Bulgarian. J Mo 101 (talk) 17:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.