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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:39, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Turbulences[edit]

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PROD was contested, opening up AFD. With no press release or officially released information, all details are speculative. While it's possible for an album article to be created before its release, the claims on Turbulences are not verifiable. The entire article is being sourced from an alleged setlist posted on a user-generated wiki-style website. Both WP:CRYSTAL and WP:HAMMER apply. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:59, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I found this article, [1], which seems to confirm the album's release. However, the setlist seems to be as unreliable as can be, so I would suggest deleting that section until a better source can be found. As I have seen with new album releases, info on new albums leaks out slowly, so if this article is deleted, then it'll need to be recreated in a week or two. Angryapathy (talk) 16:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If details about the secret shows and the setlist are removed, you're essentially left with the same information that's at Rise Against#Turbulences (2010–present). Why have a separate article for this? Fezmar9 (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because then it would be a stub from which verifiable information could be added as more info about the album is released. Angryapathy (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True, but in my experiences, unless someone is willing to take the time to re-write an article down the road, pages created in this fashion end up as dumping grounds for speculation and minor announcements. The track listing being based on an alleged set list is a prime example. It's best to wait until there is something genuinely concrete to say about the album before it's deserving of it's own article. Generally for upcoming albums, Wikipedia likes to wait until either the title, release date and full track listing have all been officially confirmed, OR one could document the writing and recording in a well-structured multi-paragraph article, such as this revision of In Rainbows created about ten months before its release. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This title is not confirmed on the band's official website or by their management. They said they were completing the new album, but they never said it would be called Turbulences. Alex (talk) 16:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - There has not been enough information confirmed by third party sources for this to become an article... If anything, keep it in userspace until a cover, release date, and tracklist can all be confirmed. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~

• Comment – According to a new article by Spin[2] the new Rise Against album will be titled Endgame, and they're not even finished recording it yet. Also, none of the song titles in the Spin article match up with the setlist being hailed as the "official track listing." As of now, all of the information/rumors on this page have been proven to be completely false. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just moved this article to a new page, Endgame (Rise Against album). Alex (talk) 16:44, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Because Turbulences was only a rumored title, it wouldn't really make much sense as a redirect page. It should still be deleted. Fezmar9 (talk) 17:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.