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The result was redirect‎ to Animal Crossing. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Villager (Animal Crossing)[edit]

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Article relies entirely on short quips and list entries, primarily due to their role in Super Smash Bros.. WP:BEFORE proved fruitless also, with a few articles like Kotaku's but the vast majority of any discussion of the character being brief or mainly towards the games themselves, and not about the character itself. Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is no "character" to discuss here. Villager's visual design is customizeable and he/she has no personality. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 17:03, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Super Smash Bros characters. I don't think there's enough here to justify a separate article, especially given that the Villagers aren't really characters outside of Smash, and there doesn't seem to be significant commentary on them in regards to the Animal Crossing series. Pokelego999 (talk) 17:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would almost certainly be better to redirect to the Animal Crossing series article or something. Yes, they're essentially clean slate silent protagonist type character, but you can glean more understanding about the character through its original game than you can its fighting crossover game... Sergecross73 msg me 20:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't be opposed to redirecting there, but given most if not all of the Villager's significant coverage is based around Smash, it seems like it would be logical to send people there. Pokelego999 (talk) 20:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure it's dwarfed by the amount of coverage it gets on the context of the Animal Crossing games, which is fine considering we're just talking about a redirect. Sergecross73 msg me 22:56, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As stated, I'm unopposed to a redirect to Animal Crossing should that be the groups consensus, I just personally feel the Smash character list works best. Pokelego999 (talk) 00:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Smash Bros. character list does not actually provide any commentary about the characters. Discussion about Villager, its conception/design/reception if anywhere, should be at the Animal Crossing series page and not the Smash character list. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 17:15, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - the article has a few good sources about their appearance in Super Smash Bros.. I do not think there needs to be a dedicated "character" to be notable, especially with other coverage. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:VAGUEWAVE and WP:ITSNOTABLE. You haven't cited anything or provided any evidence that supports what you're saying. You need to say something of substance or the closing admin will just ignore your stance. Sergecross73 msg me 15:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did not mention them by name because they are already in the article. Sources such as 21, 20, 12, and 16 discuss the character in detail. (Oinkers42) (talk) 23:24, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Super Smash Bros. characters So far there has been vaguely pointing at trivial sources but nothing decisive. The Villager has no personality as a character to speak of, so it's even more of an uphill battle for notability. I am of a mind to say that it fails WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't Animal Crossing be a better target? Someone wanting to read about Villager would certainly get more (or should get more, in a perfect world) from the series article than the Smash character list that has no information. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 03:23, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The MC in Animal Crossing isn't even referred to as "villager" at all. They only are dubbed that in Smash so it feels like logically it ought to redirect there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:39, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What are you suggesting? That the main character from other versions, like the GameCube version is a different character? What in the world are you getting at here? Sergecross73 msg me 00:15, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's no need to be so harsh, I am just stating my opinion about the naming without necessarily saying that it must be true. However, at least in the Animal Crossing games I played, the NPCs all refer to you as mayor, not villager, as you are instated as the mayor of the town. If I was searching for "Animal Crossing villager" outside of a Smash context, I'd be looking for the animals, not the main character. Therefore, I feel it would be a strange redirect, though it could potentially apply to both. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:34, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All Animal Crossing games have a customizable avatar that the player names. "Villager" is just a name assigned in Smash Bros to an otherwise unnamed avatar. Sorry, I figured this to be obvious to anyone knowledgeable of both series. Sergecross73 msg me 00:11, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, in order to settle this I am fine with it just going to Villager#Fictional characters. Both the Smash character and the AC character(s) can be mentioned there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:28, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Animal Crossing. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 04:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect for sure, for a general lack of independent notability outside of the scope of any of the games the character is present in. That said, I also don't want this to default into a "no consensus" close if there's no agreement on the redirect target. I think it redirecting somewhere is the most important thing. But that aside, personally, I feel pretty strongly about it redirecting to the Animal Crossing series page. There's way more room to expand the info and context of the subject there than there is at the other proposed targets, which are lists or dab pages. Beyond that, when choosing redirect targets, I really don't think it ever makes sense to chose a "cross over" it was in over its original source material when both are notable and mainstream, as they are here. Sergecross73 msg me 17:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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