The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was The result of this debate was No consensus = keep (16/8) May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 15:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vine Street[edit]

I found this article while doing Random Page cleanup and it looks like a nn road that is 'short and narrow'. Delete --JAranda | watz sup 01:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC) : Keep saw something about a monopoly pub in there and thought it was the pub and not the game opps. --JAranda | watz sup 02:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another vote change to Delete per Denni --JAranda | watz sup 04:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Monopoly, dude! --fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 01:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. As he says. Pilatus 01:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep per above, it's even in the lucrative orange section! Flowerparty■ 02:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. -- user:zanimum
• Comment as Devil's Advocate. Vine Street, W1? What about Vine Street, EC3? I hate to be a pedant but where's the proof of the assertion that the Monopoly board Vine Street is in the West End of London and not the City of London? Eddie.willers 05:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • The other orange ones Great Marlborough Street and Bow Street are in the West End. Kappa 08:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Check any of the numerous monopoly pub crawl instructions on the web. It is in W1, off Swallow Street near Regent Street. --Cactus.man ✍ 08:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Being featured on a localized Monopoly board definitely is not a claim of notability. Gazpacho 07:53, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The London Monopoly board is used throughout the Commonwealth. It is the standard board in Australia making Vine Street of wide interest. Capitalistroadster 08:18, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, notable. Kappa 08:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, any street featured in the original version of Monopoly is notable. Proto t c 11:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, notable.--JK the unwise 13:01, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep And whilst on the subject, just why is it that whenever I get the other two orange ones, I can NEVER get bl**dy Vine Street!?? The last twice I played Monopoly this da**ed road helped bankrupt me!! Marcus22 15:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Just to cite the first two I tried, neither Park Place nor Atlantic Ave refers to Monopoly nor to their eponymous streets in Atlantic City. —Wahoofive (talk) 16:49, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• keep' this please it is notable so we cannot erasie it Yuckfoo 18:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Wahoofive. In addition, see Boardwalk with no mention of the most famous of all Monopoly spaces. -- Grev -- Talk 20:01, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Gazpacho. The London version is not the "original" version of Monopoly per Proto; the Atlantic City version is. A few games reach encyclopedic notability; an ordinary space in a variant of a game is never notable enough for a WP article, and I say this as a fan of dozens of games better than Monopoly. Barno 21:54, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep A place of potential curiosity value to millions of people. CalJW 23:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Monopoly makes localized versions of the game for just about every metropolis in the world. That this street is mentioned in one of them doesn't make it notable. --Carnildo 23:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete While the London board may be used throughout much of the Commonwealth, Canada uses the North American version. If none of the other major street articles recognise their Monopoly counterparts, I see no reason to begin with this one. Denni☯ 01:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: So most people who want to keep this article know nothing about it except that it appears in a local edition of Monopoly. Do I understand correctly? Gazpacho 02:34, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, there are quite a few London streets that merit articles, but this don't seem to be one, unless there's something more to say (a Vine St. was mentioned in one Pogues song, but I don't think that does it). Besides, according to our Monopoly (game) article, the original version does not have a single street with an article to itself (and only Boardwalk mentions the correct street at all). When Wilmington, NC gets its own monolpoly board, are we going to have articles on all those streets? -R. fiend 06:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Being on Monopoly alone isn't enough to establish notability. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. —Cleared as filed. 09:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Two points: First, I think there's a cultural gap opening up here: on this side of the Atlantic the London version of Monopoly - arguably the most popular board game ever invented - is the definitive version of the game. I've no idea how many people (in the UK and elsewhere) have heard of and grown up with this version, but the number must run over hunrdreds of thousands and into the low millions. (So it's hardly a local edition!) Secondly, with something so famous why should there not be an entry for each sqaure of the London board? (Ideally, with copyright permission, to feature an image of the appropriate card). It is of interest to find out that Vine Street has no other claim to fame than it's inclusion on the (over here) most famous Monopoly board. Now I'd like to know about some of the other squares too... Marcus22 10:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are many types of localized monopoly boards out there. I seen a limited edition monopoly board of my area Miami, Florida and alot of those roads wont never get an article or they are even in the wrong city, ex: Collins Ave. We dont want every road which its only claim to notablily is being in a monopoly board. --JAranda | watz sup 15:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, U have to distinguish between local Monopoly versions and national versions. In england there are versions for Cornwall and such places but these are no were near notable enough to mean we should have articles on their streets. However the London bord, is the national version for the U.K so is far more notable.--JK the unwise 15:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep major road that has appared on millions of monopoly boards, if this gets deleted then it is a sad day for Wikipedia. We have articles on almost 200 london streets, why bully this one? NSR (talk) 15:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep Notable enough. There are scores of Monopoly fans all over SE Asia too.Prashanthns 16:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep I specifically came looking for Vine Street because of its Monopoly links. Ted 00:01, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Notable enough for me, informative article. All those years I was buying a back street !! --Cactus.man ✍ 08:28, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There's between 0 to 4 houses and possibly a hotel on this street --redstucco 10:12, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.