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The result was keep. John254 02:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wilhelm Sasnal[edit]

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"Wilhelm Sasnal (born December 29, 1972 in Tarnów, Poland) is a painter who lives in Poland. He studied art at the Krakow academy of fine art and graduated in 1999." That's the content of the article. Graduating does not make one notable.  _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  04:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep That's all the article said, and I agree graduation isn't enough! But there was a Saatchi Gallery link that gave a clue, and there's plenty on Google so I've added a bit to the article. He's won a major European award, worth 50,000 euros (though we haven't got an article on the Vincent Award yet) and his works have bought by major museums, like MOMA and the Tate. So, on the evidence now, it's a keep. For new readers - see the discussion on Notability (artists) --Mereda 10:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to User:Planetneutral for adding the Vincent article before I did! Mereda 07:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• question A number of Polish artists of perhaps borderline N have been nominated for AfD lately, and I'd like to ask Piotrus whether he thinks there has been a concerted effort to insert articles about them, or whether he is being exceptionally vigilant, and we might perhaps want to watch those from elsewhere with as critical an eye? DGG 21:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • My vigilance is a result of the immensly helpful User:AlexNewArtBot which vastly improved the functioning of Category:Wikipedia new articles (particulary the Portal:Poland/New article announcements which I take care of). Over the ~3 weeks of its operation I have noticed that a significant number of artists seem to fail criteria for notability. Further, recently a discussion about artistcruft on List of Polish artists has been started on WP:PWNB. So I decided to test some of them 'by fire', and to start a discussion about Wikipedia:Notability (artists). In conclusion, I strongly recommend going through non-Polish artists categories - I expect they may contain quite a few cases that we should discuss at the very least. I don't think we are dealing with anybody inserting 'borderline WP:N Polish artists', but rather with many someones aall around the world - little knowjn artists and their fans - thinking that they are notable enough to be on Wiki. Some may be, some may not, but quite a few even if notable seem to confuse encyclopedia with a phone book...-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep, graduating makes only does those notable that graduated with top honors, the Van Gogh price makes even a monkey notable if he gets it ( no offense to monkeys intended ) Alf photoman 21:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Article needs expansion, but he seems notable. For example, he's exhibited at The Hayward[1] and reviewed in The Financial Times[2] and Welt am Sonntag[3], among others. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 22:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Notability has been reasonably established, although the original nom was justifiable given the evidence presented by the article at that point. Still needs substantial work, but the reliable external sources seem to exist to make improvement possible. Planetneutral 13:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, I don't see anything wrong with the nomination, someone should commend Piotr for the outstanding work he is doing cleaning out articles with Polish origin. Alf photoman 16:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep now it's justified. Tyrenius 04:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep John Vandenberg 12:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Planetneutral & others. Thanks to Piotrus for addressing these issues. Johnbod 01:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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