The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 09:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yennefer[edit]

Yennefer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Subject has not recieved significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject:

• Google web search bringsup the witcher site, a wikia wiki and nothing else.
• Google news search brings up nothing.

There isn't enough content to warrant a seperate article even if this is notable. Patton^t/c 12:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to The Witcher or a list of characters. I have found the corresponding Polish, Russian and Belarusian articles and linked them. They are all poorly referenced too, so it is not just a language issue or the the English article being immature. Then I went Googling. It seems that there was a Polish TV series based on these books in 2001. This seems to be enough notability for the character to be included but probably not enough for its own article. --DanielRigal (talk) 12:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yennefer is one of the most important characters in the Witcher world. She is almost non-existent (only few references) in the game due to her strong ties with Geralt. Creators of the game wanted to leave him a "free shooter", not tied to one predetermined woman throughout the game. The character definitely deserves a separate entry, however I do agree that the information provided so far is not covering even half of the topic and may not seem enough for a separate entry.AragornSG (talk) 12:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge, I completely agree with DanielRigal. -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 15:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I don't want to call the nomination bad faith, but a, the google search brings many more sites then just the witcher wiki, and b, the search in Polish language brings many more sites as well: [1]. For example, Yennefer is the main subject of this news article.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even so I still don't see how this warrants a seperate article.--Patton^t/c 19:38, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because it satisfies the WP:N, perhaps? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. One good point raised here is that we could use a List of Witcher saga characters article anyway, there are The Witcher characters which are not notable by themselves, but a list would be useful.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. —_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge To The Witcher article. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I'm relatively new to the Wikipedia, so I'm not fully aware of how things are supposed to work, but I thought that you start with a basics for the article and then build on it. I wrote Yennefer during the weekend and decided to expand it later on with info found in the rest of the Witcher saga plus her appearances on film. Are we supposed to post only full articles? Also, the idea for article came to me when I saw a red link to Yennefer's character on other page, so I thought it might be good to put something there even if it's only very basic information.AragornSG (talk) 11:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Explanation: This is probably not the right place to explain this in detail but to give you a general idea: We are discussing whether the subject is appropriate for Wikipedia. The article having problems is a secondary consideration. If the article is poor but there is evidence that the subject is notable and that the article can be improved to an acceptable level then the article will be kept and flagged for improvement. If an article is poor because the subject is fundamentally not notable (or otherwise inappropriate) then the article is doomed and no amount of work can save it. The kindest thing is to delete it quickly before somebody wastes their time working on it. There is also an intermediate position where the subject is notable but there is not enough to say about it for a whole article to be justified. In that case it generally gets merged into another article. There is quite a lot of advice on how best to make a new article, but to answer your specific question, there is nothing wrong with starting with a small/basic article and building it up. The important thing is to demonstrate notability at an early stage so that we can see that the article is legitimate. If you take a look at the New Pages log you will see quite a lot of idiots trying to put rubbish in to Wikipedia. It is important to get notability into the first draft of your article so that you don't get mistaken for one of them. I hope this helps. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Definitely keep then Thanks for clearing up things a bit. The article definitely is notable, as Yennefer is one of four main characters of the Witcher world (the other three being Geralt himself, Cirilla and Dandelion). There is precious little information on Witcher world (outside the game) in English, so I'll try to do my best and enhance not only Yennefer page, but other related Witcher pages as well. I think the demand for the information will increase as the rest of the saga is translated. AragornSG (talk) 09:36, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.