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The result was redirect to List of Batman family enemies#Foes of lesser renown. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 02:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded by User:Andrew Davidson with no meaningful rationale, so here we go as usual. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The nomination seems more interested in the PROD than the particulars of the topic. As discussed at WP:AN, the use of PROD is disruptive in such cases because opposition is expected and so the deletion is controversial.

As for the subject, they are a recurring Batman supervillain just like Joker, Penguin and the rest, for which we have articles and a comprehensive list. They attract attention and get coverage in a similar way – see here or there, for example.

As there are sensible alternatives to deletion, that policy applies: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page."

Andrew🐉(talk) 10:41, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Batman family enemies I'm someone who prefers keeping comic articles to deleting, but there is clearly a big difference between the Joker and Penguin and this character. I don't see the two sources provided as enough to pass GNG (although the fact he was #1 on one of the lists is somewhat interesting) so I think the best solution is a redirect. Rhino131 (talk) 12:07, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Batman family enemies - The coverage on this character is pretty sparse, and largely comprised of plot summary rather than any meaningful discussion or analysis. The two listicles provided by Andrew above fall into this category, with one of them being particularly brief. While not enough for a stand alone article, these brief sources probably do warrant this being Redirected to the main article, where he is already covered. The sources listed above can probably be added to his entry there, as well, as it is currently unsourced. Rorshacma (talk) 16:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Listicles, especially from websites that put them out literally 24/7 and often average two per hour, are not reliable sources. Circular logic of making yourself the expected opposition does not make a PROD disruptive. This fails to establish notability to satisfy WP:GNG. TTN (talk) 16:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Batman family enemies - minor character, not deserving their own page. Deathlibrarian (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Batman family enemies - Until someone can substantiate notability. Dark knight 2149 20:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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