- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: rename all to "Areas."--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:Districts of Basingstoke to Category:Neighbourhoods of Basingstoke
- added later:
- Category:Districts of Bath, Somerset to Category:Neighbourhoods of Bath, Somerset
- Category:Districts of Bournemouth to Category:Neighbourhoods of Bournemouth
- Category:Districts of Bradford to Category:Neighbourhoods of Bradford
- Category:Districts of Brighton and Hove to Category:Neighbourhoods of Brighton and Hove
- Category:Districts of Bristol to Category:Neighbourhoods of Bristol
- Category:Districts of Cheltenham to Category:Neighbourhoods of Cheltenham
- Category:Districts of Derby to Category:Neighbourhoods of Derby
- Category:Districts of Eastbourne to Category:Neighbourhoods of Eastbourne
- Category:Districts of Gloucester to Category:Neighbourhoods of Gloucester
- Category:Districts of Halifax, West Yorkshire to Category:Neighbourhoods of Halifax, West Yorkshire
- Category:Districts of Liverpool to Category:Neighbourhoods of Liverpool
- Category:Districts of Liverpool to Category:Neighbourhoods of Liverpool
- Category:Districts of Greater Manchester to Category:Neighbourhoods of Greater Manchester
- Category:Districts of Northampton to Category:Neighbourhoods of Northampton
- Category:Districts of Norwich to Category:Neighbourhoods of Norwich
- Category:Districts of Nottingham to Category:Neighbourhoods of Nottingham
- Category:Districts of Oxford to Category:Neighbourhoods of Oxford
- Category:Districts of Poole to Category:Neighbourhoods of Poole
- Category:Districts of Portsmouth to Category:Neighbourhoods of Portsmouth
- Category:Districts of Sheffield to Category:Neighbourhoods of Sheffield
- Category:Districts of Southampton to Category:Neighbourhoods of Southampton
- Nominator's rationale: This category is really about neighbourhoods in the town of Basingstoke, which itself is part of the local government district of Basingstoke and Deane. It is confusing to call the neighbourhoods "districts", so it would be better to rename this and several similar subcategories from "Category:Districts of Foo" to "Category:Neighbourhoods of Foo" to match Category:Neighbourhoods in England. Equally, I don't see any problem with renaming them to "Category:Areas of Foo", "Category:Suburbs of Foo" (especially for some of the larger settlements) or even "Category:Places in Foo". Green Giant (talk) 00:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am also proposing the following for renaming in the same style. The only one I am not nominating is the London category, which really needs to be "Category:Neighbourhoods in Greater London" to match the correct definition of London:
Umbrella nominees
Category:Districts of Bath, Somerset
Category:Districts of Bournemouth
Category:Districts of Bradford
Category:Districts of Brighton and Hove
Category:Districts of Bristol
Category:Districts of Cheltenham
Category:Districts of Derby
Category:Districts of Eastbourne
Category:Districts of Gloucester
Category:Districts of Halifax, West Yorkshire
Category:Districts of Liverpool
Category:Districts of Greater Manchester
Category:Districts of Northampton
Category:Districts of Norwich
Category:Districts of Nottingham
Category:Districts of Oxford
Category:Districts of Poole
Category:Districts of Portsmouth
Category:Districts of Sheffield
Category:Districts of Southampton
- Support In England 'district' indicates an administrative unit, these are not such units. S a g a C i t y (talk) 09:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Support but with a caveat. "Neighbourhoods" is one of those words that is spelt differently in North America to the rest of the world, and there are already a variety of both "Neighbourhoods of..." and "Neighborhoods of..." categories, dependent on the geography concerned. This is the way it should be, and my caveat is that the "u" is kept for these articles. I raise this because there are some horribly jarring cases where this hasn't happened - such as Category:British anesthesiologists, Category:English anesthesiologists, Category:Scottish anesthesiologists instead of "anaesthetists". There's a clear conflict between the requirement to have consistent category names and the requirement to respect different variations of English. I think the latter should trump the former when a category is geographically specific, but that doesn't seem to be Wikipedia policy (yet). So if we can't keep "neighbourhoods" with that spelling I would suggest renaming to "Localities of..." instead. "Districts..." is of course incorrect for the reasons already mentioned. WaggersTALK 09:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- (Actually, I think I'll do something about that...) WaggersTALK 09:22, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note. I have listed all the rest of the categories at the top, so that editors can see the full scope of what is proposed. Having them in a hidden list obscures the scope of the proposed change. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for doing that. I only hid them because I thought it might flood the nomination. Green Giant (talk) 16:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all. As the nominator points out, Districts of England are a local govt area, and using the term for other purposes causes confusion. per WP:ENGVAR, the spelling should follow the usage in England. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose – in the UK "neighbourhood" is not used in this sense at all. I have never heard of a suburb being called a 'neighbourhood'. As Category:Suburbs by city is a parent, 'suburbs' is the obvious word to use. Oculi (talk) 10:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure if this is the right talk page. However, i have just noticed on Liverpool's districts page that it is up for change to neighbourhoods. As the previous user says, neighbourhood is not used over her. It is very much "districts" or areas of a city and certainly my city Liverpool. I'd say it is also an old term. Babydoll9799 (talk) 12:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- (ec) Occuli's proposal would narrow the scope of the category.
The problem with "suburb" is that it is a specific type of neighbourhood. In UK usage, it means an area which is contiguous with the city, but away from the city centre. For example, Allerton is a suburb of Bradford; a residential area on the periphery. OTOH Little Germany is also an area in Bradford, but it is a thoroughly urban business district located and right beside the city centre, so it is not a suburb.
There may be a case for an alternative to "neighbourhood", but "suburb" is not a solution. I also think that Occuli is mistaken to dismiss "neighbourhood" as a non-UK term. A UK search of Google News shows widespread use of the term. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree! They are districts. This isn't America, this might be the appropriate category for America but not here. Babydoll9799 (talk) 13:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Well Babydoll9799, Liverpool Council seems to think there are neighbourhoods in Liverpool -> [1], as well as a report by the audit commission, the local newspaper, a national newspaper, a housing association, even the local police force uses "neighbourhoods" (North Liverpool, South Liverpool etc). Maybe you don't have them in Liverpool, but in some places in the UK we have "neighbourhood watch" schemes, neighbourhood improvement schemes, and neighbourhood statistics by the ONS, safer neighbourhoods in London, as well as informal use like Cornwall neighbourhoods for change. So the word "neighbourhood actually appears to be fairly common in the UK. That said, I think there are several valid terms so I will support any renaming to "Areas of Foo", "Suburbs of Foo", or even "Places in Foo", just not "Districts of Foo". Green Giant (talk) 16:32, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Rename to Category:Areas of Basingstoke etc. "Neighbourhoods" is not commonly used in the UK - it's generally associated with North America. Yes, we use the term "neighbourhood", but it is generally an informal term meaning a few streets ("in the neighbourhood") rather than the more formal meaning for a larger area in the USA. In Britain it generally keeps its literal meaning derived from "neighbours" (as in "neighbourhood watch"). Yes, the British police have started using the term "safer neighbourhoods", but that's really just a term coined for its snappy title rather than a reflection of common British usage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I would be happy with "area". It avoids the specialised meanings conveyed by "district" or "suburb". I think that Necrothesp may be right that while "neighbourhood" is increasingly used in Enngland, it defines smaller territories than captured by this category. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:55, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Same here. Some residents think that 'suburb' is pejorative so it should be avoided; 'district' is ruled out for reasons discussed. While I have no problem with 'neighbourhood' at least 'area' is easier to type. S a g a C i t y (talk) 12:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Also support "area". While "neighbourhood" has some (and increasing) British usage, it does not sound right for the quite large informal districts in my city. Rwendland (talk) 10:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree "neighbourhood" is not right at all, wrong size/concept. But "area" is quite appropriate. Cebderby (talk) 15:49, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- REname all to "area of". This is a much more satisfactory general term in England. Furthermore, recent planning legislation provides for "Neighbourhood Plans", to be prepared by committees of the public, with the Local Planning Authority (usually the district council) overseeing the determination of what is a neighbourhood. This means that that term may take on a formal sigbnificance. The districts of the cats will not necessarily be neighbourhoods in these terms. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Rename to "areas of" in all cases.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose This is the UK, "District" is the term commonly used. "Neighbourhood" is an unheard of Americanism, you might just as well place Gloucestershire in the "States of the United Kingdoms of England" Andy Dingley (talk) 08:46, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.