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Category:New Zealand ice hockey players

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category, which fails WP:HOCKEY. Was C1 but the tag was removed by Joeykai, Salavat, and Sportsfan 1234: Speedy deletion declined, category isn't empty. It still contains Anjali Thakker. This isn't controversial. AaronWikia (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In this case the "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" is Category:Sportspeople by sport and nationality/Category:Ice hockey players by nationality.
So I disagree: this is controversial. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Medical works

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No clear distinction between the two categories Rathfelder (talk) 17:39, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French actress stubs

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WikiProject Stub sorting does not divide thespians into actors and actresses. We have over 2000 categories with the word "actress" in the page name, and only one of them also has the word "stubs" - Category:French actress stubs. Of the over 300 templates with the word "actress" in the page name, only one of them also has the word "stub" and is not a redirect - ((France-actress-stub)). There are eleven template redirects with the words "actress" and "stub" in the page name: ((Actress-stub)); ((Actress-model-stub)); ((England-actress-stub)); ((Japan-actress-stub)); ((Mexico-actress-stub)); ((Porn-actress-stub)); ((SouthKorea-actress-stub)); ((Tv-actress-stub)); ((UK-actress-stub)); ((US-actress-stub)); ((Wales-actress-stub)). Each of these redirects to a similarly-named template with the word "actor" instead of "actress", i.e. ((Actor-stub)); ((Actor-model-stub)); ((England-actor-stub)) etc.
I propose to bring the France category and template into line by redirecting Template:France-actress-stub to Template:France-actor-stub, which will bring about the category merge; when completed, we can then delete Category:French actress stubs. Pre-discussion is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2018/April#French actress stub. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Atmospheric and ocean optics

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nearly all of the contents that were here belonged in Category:Atmospheric optical phenomena, and I have moved them there. I don't think this category is needed. Srleffler (talk) 15:03, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ukrainian amateur clubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (As I merely listed someone else's nomination, I consider myself not barred from closing this. The discussion is unanimous anyway.) – Fayenatic London 21:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Better match with parent categories. This was tagged in March for speedy renaming, but there is not a clear enough case for that. – Fayenatic London 14:19, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 11:08, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indian flopped films

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The result of the discussion was: delete, early closure per WP:SNOW. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Grammatically problematic title aside, the category just begs for POV additions, and categories have for years been used to surreptitiously slap subjective labels in articles in lieu of proper sourcing. I'm not saying that's what the category creator was doing, I'm just noting the high potential and attraction for abuse. Anyway, who determines what a "flop" is? We don't even allow this sort of commentary in articles because it contravenes both WP:NPOV and WP:TONE.
Additional problems exist across Indian subject articles, as labeling of all kinds are epidemic. (Hence all our ArbCom rules about castes and such.) In the context of film articles, marketing teams working to promote articles love to label things as "all-time blockbuster", "blockbuster", "super hit", "hit", etc. People working against a film will be more prone to label them "flop", "disaster", "failure", etc. None of these superlatives tell us anything useful, and there's no objective way to quantify the difference between a flop and a failure, so labels like these (and by extension, categories like these) are totally inappropriate for inclusion at Wikipedia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:13, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Footballers in Israel by city

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 21:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are locational categories which require a locational emphasis, rather than nationality ones. This also clarifies the categorisation of people from cities of countries of which they are not nationals. This reflects the standard set at parent Category:Sportspeople by city or town SFB 02:13, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The outcome of this discussion should deliver a standard which will also impact the naming of all categories in Category:Sportspeople by country and city plus the below categories, which are already named in the style I am suggesting. Not sure how to add these to the nomination if I am proposing no change for those? SFB 21:20, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Footballers by city or town in Pakistan
Category:Footballers by city or town in India
Category:Cricketers by city or town in Australia
Category:Cricketers by city or town in India
Category:Cricketers by city or town in Pakistan‎
Category:Athletes by city or town in India
Category:Athletes by city or town in Pakistan‎
Category:Sportswomen by city or town in India
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 08:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oops! I have been a consisten opponent of the tyranny of demonyns. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:41, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, User:Good Olfactory while he was active has been advocating an all-inclusive view of the nationality categories: if people have lived in country Foo but have not acquired Fooian citizenship they are still allowed in the tree of Fooians; if people have not lived in country Foo but do have Fooian citizenship they are also allowed in the tree of Fooians. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Though you should probably wait till the discussion is closed one way or the other, before creating new categories, such as Category:Footballers by city or town in Wales. Based on the above discussion, surely the new category shouldn't be a subset of Category:Welsh footballers, anyway. Sionk (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's easy enough to remove the category if that's the way the !vote goes. As to creating the category, this discussion is over a month old and the last comment on it was over a week ago, at which point the !vote tally was 4-1 in support. I assumed it had been closed by now. I'd also forgotten that (an almost empty) category Category:Welsh footballers by city or town already existed when I made the category. Grutness...wha? 12:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And if it helps in the long-overdue decision on this set of categories, football is almost the *only* sport not to have "Bar by city or town in Foo" as standard (the only other exception is Category:Mexican baseball players by city). The count, over all sportpeople categories, is:
  • Fooian bar players by city or town: 12 (eleven of the twelve categories in the nomination plus the Mexican baseball category I mentioned above)
  • Bar players in Foo by city: 1 (the Israeli one in the nomination)
  • Bar players by city or town in Foo: at least 120 (across 80 countries and about ten sports)
Grutness...wha? 15:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:History of Gymnastics

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. I checked and the discussion has been listed on the article alerts pages for WikiProjects History and Gymnastics, but that has failed to generate any more participation. If anyone wants to re-nominate this, I suggest manually placing notices on those projects' talk pages. – Fayenatic London 22:04, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: None of the articles included is on the history of gymnastics - it's just a wrongly capitalised location for a few German trainers and Ancient Greek articles. SFB 01:15, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Athletics in ancient Greece

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 22:08, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Although the word athletics is often used to describe ancient Greek sport, it is ambiguous in modern terms. The broader term sport will resolve that and also be a clearer definition as the current category includes things like chariot races, which are not understood as a form of athletics in modern times. SFB 00:29, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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