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Category:Christian anti-Zionism

Propose deleting Category:Christian anti-Zionism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, not as a matter of principle, but there are only two articles in it, one for which anti-Zionism is a POV judgment and the other is anti-Christian Zionism which is quite something different than Jewish Zionism. E.g. Christian Zionism asserts a parallel idea that the returnees ought to be encouraged to reject Judaism and adopt Christianity as a means of fulfilling biblical prophecies. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. As long as Category:Christian Zionism exists, I don't see any reason to get rid of this category. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for that is the existence of Christian Zionism as a separate movement with quite a different agenda than Zionism. They are not Zionists who happen to be Christians but rather adherents of Christian_Zionism. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 12:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Mason (talk) 23:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of ♡ | speak 23:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

Propose deleting Category:Anti-Zionist Christians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, the category contains people with widely diverging views, from antisemitism to advocy of Palestinian human rights, but generally it has very little to do with Christian theology. If applicable, articles are better off in Category:American Zionists etc. than in a specific Christian category. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. As long as Category:Christian Zionists exists, I don't see any reason to get rid of this category. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for that is the existence of Christian Zionism as a separate movement with quite a different agenda than Zionism. They are not Zionists who happen to be Christians but rather adherents of Christian_Zionism. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 12:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of ♡ | speak 23:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-mainlander sentiment in Hong Kong

Propose deleting Category:Anti-mainlander sentiment in Hong Kong (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: "Anti-mainlander sentiment" is not a defining characteristic of the articles that have been placed in this category, which are about subjects that may be more accurately or commonly described as reflecting a "pro-democracy", "localist", or "anti-Chinese Communist Party" sentiment. The category name is also biased in favour of a narrative promoted by the Chinese government – the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement was portrayed as "anti-mainlander" to help cement Chinese public opinion against Hong Kong democracy activists. Citobun (talk) 23:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge to Category:Hong Kong democracy movements, the two categories seem to overlap. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move the title to Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong. There is a difference between the pro-democracy movement and the anti-mainlander sentiment. Among the latter, some simply antagonize the CCP, but others antagonize the mainlander's people. However, many Hong Kongers see it as better to change the title than delete it, as they distinguish their identity from the [mainland] Chinese people. ProKMT (talk) 08:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see how e.g. Milk Tea Alliance can be understood as anti-mainlander or anti-Chinese sentiment. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the category article itself is a completely different matter. I am well aware of the oppression of CCP in Hong Kong, but at the same time, I am also aware of discrimination against the mainlander 'people'. Even before I edited it, many articles related to Hong Kong topics included Category:Anti-Chinese sentiment in Asia. ProKMT (talk) 07:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of the articles fits well with the category title. As said, they are much more about the Hong Kong democracy movements. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename per title of the main article, or merge to Hong Kong–China relations or to Marcocapelle's proposed target above. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 10:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Otherwise rename to Anti-Chinese sentiment in Hong Kong per the Indonesian and the Japanese counterparts, or merge to both Hong Kong–China relations and Marcocapelle's proposed target. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge per Marco. Mason (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Deaths due to hippopotamus attacks

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: delete. This is a variation of a WP:BARTENDER close: Rather than relist for further discussion on whether Menes belongs in Category:Deaths due to animal attacks or not, further discussion on this point can take place at Talk:Menes. No prejudice against nominating the sibling categories for merging/deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Deaths due to hippopotamus attacks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic of the sole member. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Deaths due to animal attacks rather than plain deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with merge, not delete. I also think was can do the same for some of the other solo member animal death categories, Deaths due to rhinoceros attacks‎ , Deaths due to cougar attacks‎, meet this criteria as well. Mason (talk) 03:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree with merging these siblings too. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge + merge rhino & cougar siblings to Category:Deaths due to animal attacks per Marco & Mason. NLeeuw (talk) 21:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery Could you add rhinos and cougars to the nom if you agree? NLeeuw (talk) 21:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this discussion has been hijacked into something other than what I originally started it as, and hence those should be a different discussion. On the merge versus delete issue, do any of you really think the pharoh Menes is defined by some legend about how he died? That's not how my understanding of defining characteristics works. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:33, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seconding Pppery here. I don't see what about Menes's article would make his death defining. It's not even clear if it actually happened that way. I think it'd be worth removing Accidental deaths in Egypt and Hunting accident deaths from the article too. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is only one original source about him being killed by an animal, but one source is not uncommon in ancient history. It is a not a reason to not believe it per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Orange Twin albums

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Orange Twin albums to Category:Orange Twin Records albums

Nominator's rationale: Orange Twin is a redirect to Orange Twin Records. These categories refer to the same record label. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Citizens of Indonesia through descent

Propose merging Category:Citizens of Indonesia through descent to Category:People with acquired Indonesian citizenship

Nominator's rationale: Per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 8#Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17#Category:Citizens through descent, purge and merge to Category:People with acquired Indonesian citizenship. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Purge and merge per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Austria-Hungary by topic

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:History of Austria-Hungary by topic to Category:History of Austria-Hungary

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile one of the subcategories has been nominated for deletion, probably leaving even only one subcategory here. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States

Propose renaming Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States to Category:Organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes

Nominator's rationale The category should be renamed to match the main article, List of organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For sure "Native American tribes" is clearer than "tribes in the United States". However "unrecognized" is clearer than "self-identify" because tribes that are recognized also self-identify as such but that is obviously not in scope here. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle They aren't tribes though. They are organizations. To incorrectly call them "tribes" implies that they are indeed tribes but are merely waiting to be recognized. That's a POV. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opposed -

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am writing to express our strong opposition to the proposed amendment that seeks to rename the category “Unrecognized tribes in the United States” to “Organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes.” This change not only misrepresents our tribe but also undermines the historical and cultural recognition we have long held.

The Herring Pond Wampanoag Tribe of Wampanoag Nation has a well-documented history in Plymouth, Bourne, Massachusetts dating back thousands of years. We still have care and custody of our sacred places, burial grounds and our 1838 Meetinghouse, one of 3 built for the Tribe after the arrival of the colonizers. Our continuous presence and stewardship of these lands are recognized by historical records,deeds and treaties and so on. Additionally, our status is acknowledged by the two MA federal tribes, the Commission on Indian Affairs, Plymouth, Bourne and the Commonwealth which affirms our legitimacy beyond mere self-identification.

The proposed renaming of the category on Wikipedia is not only inaccurate of many but also insulting. It disregards the deep cultural and ancestral ties we have to our land—ties that are integral to our identity and existence. Labeling us as an organization that self-identifies as a Native American tribe fails to recognize these ties and the acknowledgment we have received from authoritative entities.

Mislabeling our tribe and any other legitimate Tribes in this manner can lead to the spread of hate, misinformation and further marginalization. It is crucial that platforms like Wikipedia, which serve as a global source of information, ensure the accuracy and integrity of the content they host.

Tribes without legislative recognition often face significant administrative hurdles to gain federal recognition, and being labeled as "self-identified" can add to these challenges by casting doubt on our legitimacy.

We face persistent disparagement on platforms like Wiki All the while we are still walking the path to recognition.

The lack of recognition does not protect tribes from discrimination or persecution, and the term "self-identified" can perpetuate these issues by invalidating their identity.

The term "self-identified" can be problematic for tribes like the Herring Pond Wampanoag Tribe, especially in states like Massachusetts that lack a legislative recognition process, for several reasons: diminished sovereignty, historical erasure, legal implications, administrative challenges, discrimination and persecution.

It's important for platforms like Wikipedia to use terminology that accurately reflects the status and history of tribes, especially those with longstanding recognition by other tribes and federal entities, rather than terms that can lead to misinterpretation and misrepresentation of their identity and rights. The Herring Pond Wampanoag Tribe's situation exemplifies the need for careful consideration of how tribes are categorized and described in public and legal contexts.

We urge you to consider the implications of this change and to seek a category name that respects and reflects the recognized status of tribes like the Herring Pond Wampanoag Tribe. We are open to dialogue and collaboration to find a solution that honors the truth of our history and existence. Goldendragonfly77 (talk) 09:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename per WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 09:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I think that this rename has major negative connotations that are unwarrented. Category:Unrecognized tribes does the same thing without the connotation. Mason (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What negative connotations? "Unrecognized tribes" doesn't work because these organizations are not actually tribes. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Mason and Marcocapelle. While I understand the idea behind the "self-id" part, I think it should be on a case-by-case basis, rather than a blanket statement on all unrecognized groups. Self-ID also carries highly negative connotations, as Mason stated, and I don't think that warrants being a blanket statement. "Unrecognized" is also by far the most common term in literature, afaik, however I don't have any data to back that up. PersusjCP (talk) 04:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is self-id a negative? It is simply describing that we don't have a citation to support their claims. I disagree with the statement that recognized tribes self-identify. The process to gain recognition is rigorous and recognized tribes, at least those federally recognized, have to document their continuous direct connection with the original tribes that were here prior to and during colonial contact. With no direct proof connecting them they are therefore self-identifying. They may very well share a heritage and be descendants but they cannot verify by showing a direct connection. That is only a negative because people on Wikipedia and even some of those who self-identify are trying to push that perspective to distort reality. At no point are we saying they are "pretendians". That would require reliable sources stating it through investigation. Self-identify does not equal "pretendian". --ARose Wolf 13:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Saying someone "identifies" as something vs "being" something very much does have a negative connotation. It implies it is only in their head. There is even a famous transphobic joke (I identify as an attack helicopter/whatever) about how one's self-ID is meaningless. PersusjCP (talk) 14:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We cannot declare every one of these groups to be tribes; that's WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Is there a term you see as more neutral than "identifies"? I don't mind if "self" is removed. Re: transphobia, a Native American tribe is a collective political identity, while a person's gender and sex is an individual identity; the two concepts are completely different from each other. Yuchitown (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]
It's wordy, but I would think along the lines of "claims descent/to be the successor from historical tribe/the aboriginal ___ people" or something like that. Maybe "Organizations that claim descent from Native American tribes." Since "descent"or being the "successor" is generally the more politically accurate idea to what modern day tribes are to historical entities. PersusjCP (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So sorry, but I believe that would be original research since not all the groups claim descent from Native American tribes, like the Una Nation of Mixed-Bloods from Eugene, Oregon, who see themselves as a completely new entity (that is somehow still Native American). Just as a reminder, the corresponding article is List of organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes, so this proposal isn't charting new territory but trying to bring the category inline with the article. Yuchitown (talk) 20:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah that's a good point, I forgot about them... Okay, I support the current/future wording of "Organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes," unless someone else can think of a more neutral, all-applicable wording. Maybe alternatively: get rid of the "self" in "self-identify," but I don't know if that makes it more neutral. Or like, "Orgainzations not recognized as Native American tribes," although that's kind of broad. Unfortunately I think because it is such a contentious topic that it is hard to be truly "neutral" in this. PersusjCP (talk) 21:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can see how "self-identifying" could be regarded as problematic, as if they could be somehow "delusional" (although I must say this is the first time I've heard it having any negative connotation).

But so can "unrecognised", right? Doesn't this imply that that these people are in fact tribes, but the U.S. government is just being 'stubborn, uncooperative and discriminatory' in 'refusing' to recognise them as such? The word "unrecognised" arguably carries a subtle WP:POV in it in favour of recognition, and arguably an implied criticism against the government that has so far not extended it to the applicants. NLeeuw (talk) 00:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. All we can substantiate is that these organizations have collectively have identified as being Native American tribes. We cannot go further and do not have that authority; an outside authority having nothing to do with Wikipedia would have to make that distinction. Saying they identify does not mean none of the groups have Native American ancestry or that none of the groups are respected as successors of historical political tribes. But to collectively say all these groups are "tribes" is WP:OR and beyond our capacity or what we can support through published sources. Yuchitown (talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

That does not solve the problem that recognized tribes also identify as being Native American tribes. The question is what distinguishes the two groups and the answer is that one group is recognized and the other group not. Not recognized is the key descriptor here. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned above the article is already named List of organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes. There are already List of federally recognized tribes in the contiguous United States, List of Alaska Native tribal entities, and State-recognized tribes in the United States, which are cross linked in the introduction of List of organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes. Several federally recognized tribes are also state-recognized, but the general pattern is to go from broadest category into more specific classifications. Yuchitown (talk) 20:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes but this does not address the objection. The objection is not about recognized, it is about unrecognized. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  What about "Organizations not recognized as Native American tribes" as I said in another thread here? The only problem is pretty much this applies to anything except federally-and-state recognized tribes, but maybe it is clear enough with context. PersusjCP (talk) 21:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That would include almost every organization on the planet. I’m not being facetious. “Identifying as Native American tribes” is a necessary component. Yuchitown (talk) 02:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I've watched this discussion for a few days and tried to understand or see all the perspectives. I disagree with the negative connotation many are trying to place on self-identification and I think that term should defined somewhere on Wikipedia much like other terms have. The fact that it can be negative or potentially be negative shouldn't be considered because anything can be negative depending on who is defining it. What we should be looking at is the literal meaning of self-identification. These entities are the ultimate source of their identification. I know, some will say, The most notable ones did get recognized by reliable sources or government resolutions. But ultimately the source of their legitimacy when you dig into it is the subject entity itself. If they had proof of their connection to the original people they would have gotten federal recognition. So we are left with an entity that identifies itself as Native American. This may be true and it may not be true, it's still self-identification at its foundation. I support the change in title on that basis. Calling them "unrecognized tribes" places a legitimacy on these groups that cannot be verified. It is wholly non-neutral for Wikipedia to be the one conferring legitimacy. Many don't even call themselves tribes. --ARose Wolf 12:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just following up, "self-identified" is as broad and neutral as possible because a vast range of entities are in this category, including many with verified American Indian ancestry such as the Verona Band of Alameda County, Muwekma Ohlone Tribe, and the Yuchi (who are almost all enrolled in the Muscogee (Creek) Nation). Yuchitown (talk) 16:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per what Mason and Marcocapelle said, which is that self-ID can have a highly negative connotation and "unrecognized" is the common term in literature. I've already encountered the issue of self-ID violating BLP in an article. If the category was changed as proposed, it's likely we'd have many more BLP issues in individual articles about people. This may seem like a minor word change, but there are strong negative connotations to saying someone who is Native "self identifies," because the inference is that they are Native in name only or falsely claiming to be Native. A change like this will impact countless articles covered by BLP because articles about Native people typically link to their tribe's article. --SouthernNights (talk) 19:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no consensus in any discussion you can point to that says "self-identification" is considered a BLP violation. If I remove anything that I believe "can" be considered negative from every BLP on Wikipedia how long do you think it would take before I was community banned? Yet that's what you did based on your own personal opinion, not consensus. That is the worst obvious and most ridiculous example of POV pushing I have ever seen and quite frankly what I consider very much a misuse of the admin tools. It calls into question your neutrality, not on a personal level because we are all biased to some degree, but your willingness to use the tools you were granted to support your bias despite other good faith editors objecting. --ARose Wolf 13:07, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BLP guidelines state that "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced — whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable — must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." In the case of the article I'm referring to, the recent edits that her tribe supposedly self-identifies absolutely qualified as such which is why I removed them. And I'm hardly the only one who sees it this way -- several editors raised concerns in this very category discussion about such descriptions being seen as negative. For more perspectives on this topic, check out this 2021 research paper published in the American Sociological Association journal (pdf download). Finally, your personal attacks here cross a definite line and violate Wikipedia policy. I strongly advise you do not continue with such attacks. SouthernNights (talk) 17:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her self-identification as Lipan Apache is not unsourced. We know that her non-profit organization has neither state nor federal recognition. That is a fact, not an opinion. Their identity as a Native group comes purely from their own self-identification, not from government recognition. You referring to "her tribe" is itself a POV and also factually untrue, because it isn't actually a tribe. It's a non-profit organization. There's nothing supposed about it. That's what it is. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If my statements were attacks then so were yours when you attacked good faith editors by declaring us POV pushers. What does that make you pushing your personal point of view? --ARose Wolf 12:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are a number of reasons why this conversation about Native American identity should not be renamed self-identify. Here are the top four in my mind:

1. The term self-identify as proposed is unmistakably negative, intentionally so. It’s negative in that it’s divisive, exclusionary, and demeaning. It attacks a significant part of Indian Country, like Lily Gladstone, by claiming they’re not real Native Americans, only pretending to be ones (of course there’s a page for that). No, it’s not racism, certainly not colorism. It’s crude chauvinism. It says that on one hand there are normal real Native Americans and on the other there are abnormal people who illegitimately and with no more foundation than their own volition identify as Native Americans, on no better basis than folks who identify as attack helicopters (credit Persus). Everybody hates attack helicopter wannabes. Native American, normal, positive. Self-identify Native American, abnormal, negative. The dots connecting the term as proposed to its pejorative roots couldn’t be drawn closer.

2. It effaces the concept of indigeneity. It says Native American is an identity established, not by self-identity, but by the US govt through a CDIB card. It says that Native Americans are creations not of thousands of years of independent existence and identity, but of the power that recently in their history came to occupy their land. Further, that occupying power can take back the identity only it, nobody and nothing else, can confer, as it has demonstrated in the past it can do.

3. The question is much bigger than this discussion setting can possibly do it justice. It’s not just a matter of slightly adjusting the name of a WP page. It’s a matter of possibly stumbling into a big philosophical and political decision due to a slight of hand; that self-identity is just a clearer way of saying not acknowledge by the US. No scholarly citations. No peer-reviewed article(s), it would never cut muster in that environment-- that's why there's none (I checked). Just the argument that, you know, it’s neater to say self-identify than non-recognized. And should it be done, a micro-minority POV has been imposed on a long-settled question of who decides who's Native American. From that point on, Native American identity means US citizenship and a CDIB. Born and raised in Paris and just found out you had a % grandparent with a CDIB, you're in. Born and raised in a historical Indigenous community in, say, Guatemala or Canada and migrated to an enclave of your community in Miami or LA where everybody still speaks your native language, you're out. Of course, it's a settled question that Indian Country is no bigger than the United States and Native American identity is entirely a Unitedstatean question. Not.

4. It goes against a vast and longstanding consensus on the concept of indigenous identity. This discussion has already been had over a much longer period, involving many many more participants, in a much more transparent and deliberative fashion. And a consensus was reached. Then instead of being shelved or secreted away, it was announced to the world and has been in place for years, known today as the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People (UN). This widely publicized consensus speaks directly against the proposal to change the name of this page by declaring that indigenous identity is necessarily self-identify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsideh (talk • contribs) 05:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC) There are more, but I'll stop here for now. Tsideh.:Tsideh Tsideh (talk) 15:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC) — Tsideh (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Could you share where on Wikipedia this conversation took place? “It goes against a vast and longstanding consensus on the concept of indigenous identity”: I’ve never seen such a conversation on Wikipedia. Yuchitown (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I don't see any BLP violation or anything objectively negative about the term self-identify. I do see a big NPOV problem with the current category name as it uses the word "tribes" suggesting in Wikivoice that these are actual tribes in the context of indigenous American tribes. Doug Weller talk 11:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that is my biggest concern even more than the self-identity argument that seems to have developed. Some of these are organizations that have filed for 501C3 status with the same government they decry as holding them back from recognition. While some are heritage groups trying to bring awareness to Native American topics. Others may have legitimate claims. Still others are pretendian organizations seeking financial gain on the backs of Native Americans. The one thing that is common between them all is they cannot provide evidence which link them to the sovereign nations they claim to be part of with any continuity. Had they been able to do so they would have gained the political recognition from the US government to be able to speak for the respective nation they associate with. Without a doubt Wikipedia should not legitimize them in Wiki-voice as Native American/American Indian tribes, recognized or unrecognized, self-identified or otherwise and even if reliable sources that are not owned by legitimately recognized nations identify them as such. --ARose Wolf 17:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. The proposed renaming would result in very awkward-sounding categories that thousands of readers and article subjects could find to be inaccurate, biased, or even offensive.

"Organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes" is not wording that is typically used in academic literature.

Federal recognition is a controversial topic that should be discussed in the article text itself. It should not be forced into category names.

Category names should be based on serious non-biased anthropological and sociological research, and should not be based on decisions made by bureaucratic governments that may not always be fair.

I primarily focus on ethnic groups in the Middle East and Balkans, and categorizing thousands of individuals and entire clans as "self-identified" would be extremely offensive. For example, what if Serbia, Iran, or others do not officially recognize certain ethnic groups that Western anthropologists would certainly recognize as genuine ethnic or ethnoreligious groups? For example, if we were to label Yazidis or Alevis as self-identified minorities, that would be completely unencyclopedic, POV, and totally unsuitable for Wikipedia.

There are also many unrecognized ethnic groups in China, since the Chinese (PRC) government officially recognizes only 56 ethnic groups. Should we also categorize every single individual from those unrecognized minorities as "self-identified minorities"? Certainly not, as that would be very awkward, controversial, and out of line with what Wikipedia categories should really be all about.

Another good reason to oppose this renaming is the WP:CONCISE guideline. We shouldn't make category names overly long and complicated.

The same should apply to Native Americans, First Nations, and other indigenous peoples in North America.

I would also suggest taking a look at this book which discusses this issue in detail: Forgotten Tribes: Unrecognized Indians and the Federal Acknowledgment Process.

Equiyamnaya (talk) 06:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NDNID was written by members of the Indigenous peoples of North America Wikiproject. It was thoughtfully constructed and thoroughly discussed to aid non-Native editors on Wikipedia gain an understanding of what being Native American is. Native American identity is not a matter of race or ethnicity. There is not a unified "Native American" ethnic identity. So the ethnic groups mentioned would not be an accurate comparison. This should not be a one-size-fits-all approach. --ARose Wolf 13:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: To label all of the entities in the category tribes is definitely original research. The article was renamed to accurately and honestly include groups such as the Kaweah Indian Nation, Ani-Stohini/Unami, and Vinyard Indian Settlement as well as the Mississippi Choctaw Indian Federation, Brothertown Indians, and Verona Band of Alameda County (i.e. those with no demonstrated connection to historic Native American communities to those with well-documented connections). I've cited Miller's book, but it was also written in 2006; many of these groups have formed since then. This lengthy discussion will probably result in "No Consensus"; however, all of the editors who actively contribute to and improve Native American topics on Wikipedia have voted to "Support" the renaming. Yuchitown (talk) 14:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I haven't seen any opposition to using "Native American" instead of "in the United States" so we seem to have a minimal consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian massacres

Propose merging Category:Indian massacres to Category:Massacres of indigenous North Americans

Nominator's rationale: merge/redirect, it looks like the scope of the two categories coincides. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom Mason (talk) 17:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reverse merge given that main article is List of Indian massacres in North America. I don't think that title is very helpful though, as the scope is both of and by "Indians". But that should be discussed at its talk page, not here. NLeeuw (talk) 06:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment there have been massacres in India... so the category name is ambiguous. This category name should be salted, so that India cannot use this category name either. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that "Indian" is ambiguous, so I'd rather stick to merge as nominated rather than reverse merge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcocapelle (talk • contribs) 06:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose full merge because half the contents are "massacres by" rather than "massacres of". Partial merge and disambiguate between the merge target, the two "massacres by" categories, and the unrelated Category:Massacres in India. The subcats are now part of the appropriate military history categories Category:Battles involving Native Americans and Category:Indigenous conflicts in Canada, and it's WP:SHAREDNAME that puts them together. – Fayenatic London 15:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose merge on the grounds "Indigenous" should be capitalized in accordance with WP:INDIGENOUS and MOS:RACECAPS. --ARose Wolf 11:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not a reason to oppose the merge. If you think Category:Massacres of indigenous North Americans should be renamed, you can just nominate it separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Can someone tell me what is the difference between Category:Massacres of indigenous North Americans and Category:Massacres of Native Americans? (Please ping me when replying - TIA). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: "Native Americans" is used as in Native Americans in the United States. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Intersex transgender people

Propose deleting Category:Intersex transgender people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:Intersex gay men to Category:Gay men and Category:Intersex men
Propose merging Category:Intersex transgender men to Category:Intersex men and Category:Transgender men
Propose merging Category:Intersex transgender women to Category:Transgender women and Category:Intersex women
Propose merging Category:LGBT intersex men to Category:Intersex men and Category:LGBT men
Propose merging Category:LGBT intersex women to Category:Intersex women and Category:LGBT women
Propose merging Category:LGBT intersex people to Category:LGBT people and Category:Intersex people

Nominator's rationale: Redundant, as all intersex people are LGBT. Editor has been warned about their alternative definition of LGBTQI+ User_talk:Bohemian_Baltimore#Category:Pansexual women#Aromanticism_and_Asexuality_are_the_A_of_LGBTQIA+_and_Intersex_is_the_I_and_is_inherently_an_LGBTQIA+_identity Mason (talk) 17:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like the other comments, I support this merger. These categories were erroneously created and this needs to be corrected. Historyday01 (talk) 02:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - As proposed (disclosure, I was the user that warned them about their misinformed interpretation of LGBTQIA+ at User_talk:Bohemian_Baltimore#Aromanticism_and_Asexuality_are_the_A_of_LGBTQIA+_and_Intersex_is_the_I_and_is_inherently_an_LGBTQIA+_identity). Raladic (talk) 19:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but manually merge because articles may already be in a subcategory of a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, with exception of "Intersex transgender men" and "Intersex transgender women," as those can be useful categories and don't have the same issue as the other proposed categories for deletion.ForsythiaJo (talk) 21:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the last three (LGBT intersex categories), keep the rest per ForsythiaJo. All intersex people are categorized as LGBT, but are all intersex men gay men or transgender men? The rationale doesn't apply to these categories. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question for the keeps, I don't think the 3x intersection is supportable in terms of category size or under EGRS. Can somebody point to some literature that supports these intersections? Mason (talk) 00:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison:

Dr. Small Ela Luk is an intersex transgender woman.

Interview: We talk to intersex person Dr Small Luk about her gender struggles

Kristian Ranđelović is an intersex transgender man.

Kristian Randjelovic is Championing Trans and Intersex Rights in Serbia | OutRight - LGBTIQ Human Rights

There are many more intersex transgender people around the world, and their struggle for notability is hindered by oppression faced by them. — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 07:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'm not disputing that these people exist or that they experience hardships, but what I haven't been able to find is academic literature that would support this as a defining intersection, which is typically the benchmark for EGRS intersections. Mason (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I strongly oppose the erasure of asexual and intersex people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender and the subsequent eradication of any categories that mention LGBT intersex and asexual people. Being both LGBT and intersex or LGBT and asexual is a relevant and defining intersection of two oppressed groups, a minority within a minority. Likewise, there are many intersex people who identify as cis/hetero or straight and many asexuals who identify as cis/heteroromantic or straight. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not erasure of people who are asexual and LGBTQIA. It is literally in the acronym already. Mason (talk) 12:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison Yes, it is erasure. And "LGBT" is the standard acronym used for articles and categories for Wikipedia. Not all asexual people are gay, lesbian, bi, or transgender. Gay asexual men exist. Lesbian asexual women exist. Biromantic asexuals exist. Transgender asexuals exist. Just as there are asexuals who identify as straight and/or hetero. There needs to be a way to describe and acknowledge the reality of asexuals who are LGB and/or T. A marginalized group within a marginalized group. As a compromise, I'd be fine with merging the LGBT categories but keeping the L, G, B, and T subcategories. Those are undoubtedly valid. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bohemian Baltimore: I totally agree. I hope we can gather more support and achieve consensus from a neutral point of view to oppose deletion of this of category. I left a message on your talk page for the same. — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 16:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose "All intersex people are LGBT" is a blatant assumption made without listening to all intersex people, and made on basis of only the acronyms LGBTI+, LGBTQI+, LGBTQIA+, LGBTQIAP+, LGBTQIAP+, LGBTQ2SIA+, LGBTQ2SIAP+, etc.

Many intersex people are not LGBTQ+, such as Betsy Driver, Lisa Lee Dark, Sally Gross, Esther Morris Leidolf, Dan Christian Ghattas, Sarah Gronert, Phoebe Hart, Bonnie Hart.

Bonnie Hart has herself said:

"I’m Bonnie Hart, I’m a woman, and I’m kind of straight-ish. Being intersex has nothing to do with gender identities or presentations, or sexual orientation. Intersex people identify as female, male, both, and all sorts of identities between the binary. It’s a lived experience"
— at the 2014 Sydney Mardi Gras Parade^[1]

The LGBQIAP+ acronym includes only those intersex people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and/or queer (non-binary, genderfluid, agender, polygender, pangender, and so on) and/or polyamorous, asexual, graysexual, ace-spec, aromantic, grayromantic, aro-spec, and so on. Intersex people who are straight, monoamorous, cisgender, binary, and/or allosexual and so on, and rest of the non-LGBTQ+ intersex people have constantly stated again and again that they are not lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and/or queer, and hence they are not LGBTQ+.

Just like there are many overlaps between and among all groups of people everywhere, there are many overlaps between groups of LGBTQ+ people and non-LGBTQ+ people, whether they are intersex or endosex, cisgender or transgender, binary or non-binary or agender. All ethically good people's sexualities, biological sex, and genders must be respected. — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 09:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CrafterNova: what you arguing is that Intersex categories should not automatically have LGBT parents. Whether one agrees with that or not, for the merge discussion it is not really relevant. The merge proposal is about avoiding trivial intersections. E.g. there does not have to be a micro category for people who are intersex and gay man simultaneously, instead articles may well be put in an intersex category and in a gay men category independently of each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: There do have to be subcategories and microcategories. There are many examples where secondary, tertiary, and quaternary categories are required, such as:
Tertiary categories: Category:Nigerian women film directors‎, Category:Ethiopian women fashion designers‎, Category:Kenyan LGBT artists

Quaternary categories: Category:2nd-century BC Chinese women writers and so on.

The people, whose articles are in such subcategories and microcategories, have criteria that makes them eligible to be placed in such categories.

These are not "trivial intersections", rather intersections of various forms of oppression and discrimination, various professions, eras and time periods, nationalities, genders, biological sex, sexualities, etc.
Representation of people at these intersections is important, especially people who face long-term discrimination based on genders, biological sex, sexualities, nationalities, race, ethnicities, and so on. — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 07:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This sounds like we categorize just because we can, not because it serves any purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Marcocapelle: People's recognition and representation are some of the purposes of such categories. — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 07:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @CrafterNova: no that is not the purpose. The goal of categories is to allow easy navigation between related articles for readers, and by creating many layers in categories we merely make navigation more difficult. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Marcocapelle: by creating many layers in categories we merely make navigation more difficult.
  
  Yes, and Category:Intersex transgender people is just another layer in categories.
  
  How is navigating such categories difficult for readers?
  
  What is the purpose of quaternary categories such as Category:2nd-century BC Chinese women writers?
  
  According to your understanding of easy navigation of categories, wouldn't quaternary categories be more difficult to navigate than teritary categories such as Category:Intersex transgender people in this case?
  
  Readers can navigate through secondary, tertiary and quarternary categories just as easily as all categories. Ease of navigation does not depend on subcategorization and microcategorization. Rather, ease of navigation depends on accessibility features, and whether category naming criteria, intersection criteria, and rest of relevant criteria are met or not. — CrafterNova ^{[ TALK ] [ CONT ]} 07:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Readers do not have to navigate in the tree at all if they find a sufficient amount of content in the category that they find at the bottom of the article that they are reading, it then suffices to select every article in that category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep transgender intersex people category (at least this one isn't a triple intersection, as much as Category:Intersex non-binary people isn't too). I'm neutral on merging the others. --MikutoH ^talk! 22:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per CrafterNova and Bohemian Baltimore. 59.152.195.28 (talk) 07:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Volodimerovichi family

Propose merging Category:Volodimerovichi family to Category:Rurikids

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to Category:Rurikids. "Volodimerovichi" is rarely used in comparison to "Rurikids", also does not follow the title of the main article. Mellk (talk) 07:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ This category is fine as it is. It is part of larger tree of princely clans and branches of Kievan Rus'. During several renamings and recategorisations last year, it was agreed to be cautious with categorising anyone as a "Rurikid", as the historicity of Rurik (as well as Sineus and Truvor) is disputed as a possibly a founding myth (similar to Remus and Romulus etc.), and there is no concept of a "Rurikid dynasty" in historical sources until the 16th century. However, Volodimer' (Vladimir, Volodymyr, Uladzemir) is a well-known historical figure, and his family / descendants are commonly known as "Volodimerovichi" in English-language reliable sources. Just like, for example, Category:Sviatoslavichi family and Category:Olgovichi family. It is preferable if there is a main article with the same name for these families, but so far, there are only redirects to the founder of each princely branch, e.g. Olgovichi redirects to Oleg I of Chernigov, Sviatoslavichi to Sviatoslav II of Kiev, and Volodimerovichi to Vladimir the Great. It's also much better for navigation not to lump all these people into one big category, but by commonly recognised princely branches. NLeeuw (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW if the main article title is important, shouldn't this be WP:C2D to Category:Family life and children of Vladimir I? (I wouldn't be in favour of that, but that would make better sense according to the rationale). NLeeuw (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As there is no article Volodimerovichi yet, it would be helpful to add a source in the header of the category page indicating that this is a common name among historians indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Sounds like a good idea. NLeeuw (talk) 06:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are no such branches at this stage, this comes later and we already have cats for those as they are widely accepted Rurikid branches. The term "Volodimerovichi" is used by a couple of historians instead of "Rurikids". Whether Rurik existed or not is irrelevant because the term "Rurikid" is widely used by later historians (similarly to the term "Kievan Rus" even though the state was not called as such then), hence this is POV to use an uncommon term that has not been widely accepted (yet). Mellk (talk) 05:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm now I'm beginning to doubt. Christian Raffensperger seems to use it for all members of princely clans of Kievan Rus' in general, as a replacement "Riurikovichi", rather than just Volodimer' and his descendants. One wonders about the predecessors of Volodimer' (Yaropolk, Sviatoslav, Igor, Oleg and the alleged Riurik), who could hardly retro-actively be called "Volodimerovichi". I'll think about it some more, I'll get back to this issue. NLeeuw (talk) 07:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have checked the literature more thoroughly, and I think it might have been a mistake to name this category in this way. Since the early 2010s, scholars including Raffensperger, Ostrowski, Halperin and others have been using "Volodimerovichi" as an alternative to "R(i)urikovichi" or "R(i)urikids" altogether, and not as a specific branch within the larger clan structure of Kievan Rus', like the later -ovichi families. Theoretically, "Volodimerovichi" could still be used that way (and sometimes it is), but this is not widespread in historiography yet.

I do think it's useful to keep it as a separate category, but it's better to change the name according to our conventions. As both nom and I have suggested, it is useful to follow the main article title wherever possible. However, the current main article title is Family life and children of Vladimir I. The last part probably should be Vladimir the Great instead of Vladimir I, given the Vladimir the Great biography title. (I myself prefer Volodimer I of Kiev, which is common amongst modern scholars, but not (yet) the WP:COMMONNAME in all English-language literature). The first part is also unusual; there is no other enwiki article title with Family life and children of X. The common formula is Family of X. So per WP:TITLECON, it should be Family of Vladimir the Great.

Therefore, I would like to propose the following:

Defer decision in this CfR, and initiate Requested Move of Family life and children of Vladimir I to Family of Vladimir the Great. Done. If the RM is approved, then

Rename to Category:Family of Vladimir the Great. Does that seem like a good solution? NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I would prefer merge as nominated. We could hypothetically create a "family of" for every grand prince but it would just overlap with Category:Rurikids. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle Family life and children of Vladimir I is the only "Family of" main article of a (grand) prince of Kiev. So I'm not worried about having to create a "family of" category for every grand prince as long as there is no "family of" main article for every grand prince. Moreover, it arguably merits a category on account of his many wives and children, and subsequent princely branches directly and exclusively descended from him. That is quite uncommon in Kievan Rus' history. NLeeuw (talk) 10:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have initiated the RM at Talk:Family life and children of Vladimir I#Requested move 10 April 2024. I'll ping the relevant users. NLeeuw (talk) 11:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So far everyone seems to be supporting the RM. We'll see what happens. NLeeuw (talk) 06:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Update: Main article was moved to Family of Vladimir the Great by unanimous consensus (thanks for your participation). Therefore, let's also Rename the category to Category:Family of Vladimir the Great. NLeeuw (talk) 14:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the article exists, with this name, does not mean a category should also exist. I still think it is rather arbitrary to split off one particular "family" from Category:Rurikids. Ultimately Rurikids is the family. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infrastructure

Propose merging Category:Infrastructure to Category:Buildings and structures
Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by century of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by century of completion
Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by decade of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by decade of completion
Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by year of completion to Category:Buildings and structures by year of completion
Propose merging Category:Infrastructure by location to to Category:Buildings and structures by location

Nominator's rationale: merge, strongly overlapping scope. (Of course if there is consensus about this, then all subcategories need to be nominated as well.) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I think this is a really good idea. (However, if the decision ends with Keep, think we'd need to have a really really clear definition in the category description to support maintenance. ) Mason (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I think this category should remain as is. :) KīlaueaGlows (talk) 06:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning oppose. Some of the subcategories of Category:Infrastructure would be seemingly out of place in Category:Buildings and structures. For instance Energy infrastructure‎, Category:Infrastructure of the Holocaust, Category:History of infrastructure, Category:Infrastructure investment and Category:IT infrastructure wouldn't make sense as subcategories of .Category:Buildings and structures. Pichpich (talk) 21:27, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, then for the top category it is too early to be merged. The subcategories by date and location are set categories, and items of infrastructure are always buildings or structures, so this objection does not apply to these subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I've been looking at some categories about canals and they are appropriately categorized under "infrastructure" rather than "buildings and structures". I think with their addition and that of other similar categories. "structure" would become so broad (anything that is built?) as to become almost meaningless. There might be some overlap here but I think that the solution might be to change "buildings and structures" to just "buildings" and leave "infrastructure" be. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at more categories, it looks like some "infrastructure" categories are placed under the parent categories of "buildings and structures" which I think is more appropriate than merging the two. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

Propose renaming Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau to Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau

Nominator's rationale: sibling are all called Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Macau, even though those were also during the time of Portuguese Macau (1557–1999) . Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau‎ Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Macau Mason (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't they all be bishops of Macau? Per List of bishops of Macau. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmm, I've been thinking of them like a country of work category, like that's where the bishop is serving, as opposed to the dioses. If we changed it to "of" Macau, would that mean that all the bishops would also have to be in the parent category? Category:XXXX-century Roman Catholic bishops in China (or Asia)? My goal is to make all the categories consistent, and possibly avoid having a perpetual edit war over the parent country category.[1] Mason (talk) 18:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Macau would be alike Category:Roman Catholic bishops of Dhaka and many similar categories. Surely the century Macau categories should be merged to Asia as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That would be fine with me. Although I think that the merge target should probably be China for the 20th and 21st centuries. Mason (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- With all respect this isn't and shouldn't be an entirely mechanical process as you put it. You have to read and understand the subject as well. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Long story short, there were bishops appointed to dioceses elsewhere who served and were based in Macau (e.g. as administrators of the diocese, which covered an area large enough to be subdivided into hundreds of dioceses in the following centuries). These were bishops in Macau but not Bishops of Macau. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverse rename. That was the Portuguese period, and there was a time when it was a província ultramarina. 219.77.182.250 (talk) 13:14, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does that even mean? Mason (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It is obvious that it was Portuguese, that does not have to be added to the category name per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then name the categories accordingly. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I am just saying that it is not necessary. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not necessary per se; but, as I read it, not something that cannot and shouldn't be done. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A province, an overseas one. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Rename the 17th to 20th-century categories accordingly and make them along with the 16th-century category under the tree of Category:Portuguese Macau. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, these are all the same IP and a well-known one at that WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you at least make your attempt to sockpuppet less obvious? Mason (talk) 22:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award

Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award in Assamese (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award in Sindhi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award in Tamil (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award in Telugu (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award in Urdu (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. Corresponding lists already exist. PepperBeast (talk) 19:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep: It looks like the nominator has no understanding of the importance of Sahitya Akademi Awards in India. While List article may exist, it is important to have this category for the recipients. The award is presented every year to writers of the most outstanding books of literary merit published in any of the 22 languages separately. Nobel prize list articles also exists, as well as categories for recipients of each categories of Nobel prizes.
-- Tinu Cherian - 11:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

Propose deleting Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Arjuna Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Bharat Ratna (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Dhyan Chand Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Dronacharya Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Gandhi Peace Prize (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Kaisar-i-Hind Medal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Kala Ratna (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Karnataka Kalashri (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Karnataka Ratna (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Kempegowda Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Khel Ratna Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Maharashtra Bhushan Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Maulana Abul Kalam Azad Trophy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of Pravasi Bharatiya Samman (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Rashtriya Khel Protsahan Puruskar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of Kalidas Samman (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sangeet Natak Akademi Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sangeet Natak Akademi Fellowship (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Tenzing Norgay National Adventure Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Thiruvalluvar Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The above awards aren't worth an exception from WP:OCAWARD, they are not comparable to a Nobel prize. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We're not starting this again, are we? Most of these are clearly notable and defining. They include the Bharat Ratna, the highest civilian honour that can be awarded by India, and the Kaisar-i-Hind Medal, an extremely prestigious award given in British India. If they're not defining, then what on earth is? WP:OCAWARD certainly does not say that awards have to be comparable to a Nobel Prize; neither does it say that only international awards should be categorised, which is what such a suggestion implies. The deletion rationale is entirely spurious and ridiculously brief. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I find it very hard to believe that a category based on India's highest civilian honour is not appropriate as defining. If that is the argument then the entire category tree at Category:Order of the British Empire, which contains about a hundred subcategories and many thousands of articles should be added to this nomination. As should the substantial category tree at Category:Recipients of United States civil awards and decorations. By singling out one country this nomination makes no sense. AusLondonder (talk) 15:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Temples (LDS Church) in Latin America

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Temples (LDS Church) in Latin America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT: all pages are already in child Category:Temples (LDS Church) in South America or its subcategories, or in sibling Category:Temples (LDS Church) in North America or its subcategories. Thus it has little navigational value and just adds category clutter to the articles. NLeeuw (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Transport and the Mercosur

The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging Category:Transport and the Mercosur to grandparent Category:Mercosur
Propose upmerging Category:Economy of the Mercosur to parent Category:Mercosur

Nominator's rationale: Category:Transport and the Mercosur has 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge to grandparent Category:Mercosur for now without prejudice. Dual merge won't be necessary, I put the only article (Vehicle registration plates of the Mercosur) in sibling Category:Road transport in South America already. The upmerging will empty Category:Economy of the Mercosur, which was already a redundant layer; it should also be upmerged for now without prejudice (merging instead of deletion for logging purposes). NLeeuw (talk) 15:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish nobility

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Jewish nobility (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: arbirtrary and irrelevant intersection by ethnicity. I found this category added to Yehudi Menuhin on my watchlist and I'm about to revert it because, while it's true that he was Jewish and that he was a Life peer, the intersection of these facts (especially the latter one) in a category seems more than a little bizarre and "non-defining", because he was by far best known as a violinist. There are probably many other examples just like this one. Graham87 (talk) 09:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, this is a well-populated category. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, trivial intersection, the articles are rightfully in the tree of Category:British nobility, Category:French nobility etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I would argue that being part of an aristocracy that historically excluded Jews is not trivial, and that is reflected by List of British Jewish nobility and gentry and List of European Jewish nobility existing. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 01:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In a list there's room to explain this sort of thing. In a category link at the end of an article there isn't. See Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. Graham87 (talk) 12:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Graham87 has a good point that lists allow for context that categories don't. But I am not in favour of listification either, as the net here has evidently been cast far too wide. E.g. someone like James Goldsmith (picked at random) has nothing to do with "nobility". NLeeuw (talk) 15:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. It is another example of a non-useful, mostly meaningless category created by intersecting two unrelated traits. We don't have categories for Christian, Muslim, or Hindu nobility and we shouldn't have one for Jewish nobility either. 220.235.78.155 (talk) 03:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and other users. It's a specific category that's already filled within the various subcategories for nobility per nationality. Furthermore, as mentioned above, there is no specific category for other major religions like Christians or Muslims. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 10:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadian military personnel from Kelowna

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Canadian military personnel from Kelowna

Category:Lists of ambassadors to Northern Cyprus

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Lists of ambassadors to Northern Cyprus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category created just to hold one list. This would be fine if there were multiple lists to file here, but is not necessary for just one -- but given that Northern Cyprus is a disputed territory which is diplomatically recognized only by Turkey, it's impossible to file multiple lists here. The list is already in Category:Ambassadors of Turkey to Northern Cyprus, which is all that's needed in context -- but this category isn't necessary if it will only ever contain one list. Bearcat (talk) 13:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Public high schools in Chicago suburbs

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:29, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Public high schools in Chicago suburbs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Recreation at a new name of a category previously deleted last year per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 25#Category:Public high schools in suburbs of Chicago. Again, the same issue remains as last time: we categorize schools by the places that they're in, but we do not categorize schools by the places that the places they're in happen to be near. Bearcat (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the articles are already in Category:Public schools in Illinois where they properly belong. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT-related music

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:LGBT-related music

Category:Songs against capitalism

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Songs against capitalism

Category:Songs against racism and xenophobia

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Songs about racism and xenophobia. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Songs against racism and xenophobia to Category:Songs about racism and xenophobia

Nominator's rationale: Generally our songs by topic categories are 'about' not 'against'. Ex. Category:Songs about poverty. See also Category:Songs about social issues. I suggest renaming this; the other category that may need similar treatment would be Category:Songs against capitalism (subcat to Category:Songs about consumerism, not Category:Songs against consumerism...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom, for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support renaming. J 1982 (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral, as as I said with the songs about/against capitalism nomination, many of these songs have lyrics which are quite clearly critical of racism and/or xenophobia. With the songs about poverty or consumerism, those songs aren’t explicitly against the subject of said topics as much but are more about the topic itself and its effects. Velociraptor888 (talk) 23:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

Category:.io video games

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:.io video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining trait. This simply indicates that the game in question has it's web hostname in the .io TLD. It is akin to having a category for ".com video games", ".org video games", etc. There is no connection between these games from a developer, publisher, or otherwise manner. -- ferret (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-defining descriptor. - Altenmann >talk 16:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep please read Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 March 29#Template:.io games to see related arguments. Cheers! Johnson524 03:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better write an article about it, with proper sourcing, as mentioned in the other discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per my reasoning from the TFD that sources ([2] [3] [4]) consider ".io games" a genre, but unlike my conclusion in the TFD, keep the category as genre is CATDEF. ~ A412 ^talk! 16:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean delete. This doesn't seem defining. Mason (talk) 19:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Valid game genre per above sources, plus [5], [6] --Mika1h (talk) 23:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will note the TfD was closed as delete, FWIW.
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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

April 15

Category:Feminist historians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Feminist historians

Category:Trademark attorneys

The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) Toadette ^{(Let's talk together!)} 22:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Trademark attorneys to Category:Intellectual property lawyers
Propose merging Category:Copyright attorneys to Category:Intellectual property lawyers

Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to make the distinction for what kind of intellectual property law they practice? (With the exception for patent attorneys). Mason (talk) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, the articles say they are specializing in intellectual property, broadly. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadian criminal lawyers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Canadian criminal lawyers

Category:Non-binary lesbians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Non-binary lesbians

Category:San Quentin State Prison inmates

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Inmates of San Quentin State Prison. (non-admin closure) Toadette ^{(Let's talk together!)} 22:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:San Quentin State Prison inmates to Category:Inmates of San Quentin State Prison

Nominator's rationale: This is the naming convention for prison inmates. See Category:Inmates of Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary, Category:Inmates of ADX Florence, Category:Inmates of Sing Sing, Category:Inmates of the Marshalsea, Category:Inmates of Sighet prison, Category:Inmates of Pitești prison, etc. The only time the convention is "Category:X inmates" is where X is a ghetto, e.g. Category:Łódź Ghetto inmates. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 17:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nominator's rationale jengod (talk) 23:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional characters by political orientation

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Fictional characters by political orientation

Category:Pourashavas of Bangladesh

Propose merging Category:Pourashavas of Bangladesh to Category:Municipalities of Bangladesh

Nominator's rationale: Redundant: "Pourashava" means municipality in Bengali. Bolideleoi (talk) 14:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt rename to Category:Municipal corporations of Bangladesh per main article List of municipal corporations in Bangladesh. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This category is already in Category:Municipalities of Bangladesh so I guess you are arguing for an upmerge. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mehedi Abedin 09:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Students of Ziaur Rahman Azmi

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sunni Muslim scholars of Islam. (non-admin closure) Toadette ^{(Let's talk together!)} 22:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Students of Ziaur Rahman Azmi to Category:Sunni Muslim scholars of Islam

Nominator's rationale: Small category, fails WP:OCASSOC --wooden superman 13:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom, and "students" categories are used for people who are only notable as a student. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and marco. Mason (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ziaur Rahman Azmi

The result of the discussion was: Delete Bengal editor's (duplicate) !vote has been disregarded because they are a sock. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose ~~renaming~~ deleting Category:Ziaur Rahman Azmi to Category:Books by Ziaur Rahman Azmi

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON: Individual works by a person should not be included in an eponymous category but should instead be in a sub-category such as Category:Novels by Agatha Christie. --wooden superman 07:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree, there can be another category naming that such as Category:Hussain Ahmad Madani and Category:Books by Hussain Ahmad Madani. Bengali editor (talk) 09:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The difference there is that Category:Hussain Ahmad Madani contains other articles which aren't books, thus warranting an WP:EPONCAT, this one doesn't. --wooden superman 09:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note. Bengali editor has created Category:Books by Ziaur Rahman Azmi, so Category:Ziaur Rahman Azmi can now be deleted. --wooden superman 09:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree I added another category on the category Category:Students of Ziaur Rahman Azmi. Please include Zakir Naik also in this category because I am a new editor and the page Zakir Naik^[2] is for extended confirmed. Bengali editor (talk) 11:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, standard case of WP:OCEPON considering that the students category will not be kept either (see nomination above). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Intersex inclusion in the 2014 Sydney Mardi Gras Parade". Organisation Intersex International Australia. 3 March 2014. Archived from the original on 2023-04-11.
^ https://alhidaayah.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Transcript-IDTP-5.pdf

Category:American Jewish billionaires

The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:American Jewish billionaires (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I haven't done much editing in categorization recently, so maybe the rules have changed, but this one sure reeks of a WP:OCEGRS problem to me. At the very least, there ought to be community consensus (rather than the actions of a single editor) that this intersection is sufficiently noteworthy and unbiased to merit inclusion; I do not believe it is, certainly not without context. Chubbles (talk) 07:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OCEGRS. There is no Category:American Christian billionaires, Category:American atheist billionaires, Category:American Muslim billionaires, Category:American Hindu billionaires, Category:American White billionaires, Category:American Black billionaires, Category:American Asian billionaires, Category:American Hispanic billionaires, etc. either. This does seem like framing Jews as exceptionally rich, which is a common anti-Semitic stereotype. As long as similar categories do not exist, reasons for having and keeping this one alone are rather doubtful. NLeeuw (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Side note - there is a Category:African-American billionaires, and I will leave it to the community to decide if this, too, ought to be nominated. Chubbles (talk) 05:17, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point. It could be a follow-up, but at least its parent Category:African-American upper class has a main article: African-American upper class. That might be sufficient to establish its notability. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chubbles permission to add Category:American Asian billionaires to the nomination? The same user has just created this a few hours ago as an empty category. NLeeuw (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tagged this empty category for CSD C1 speedy deletion today. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:27, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In fact I presume a merge needs to take place to Category:American billionaires rather than plain deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because Jews. It is an WP:OCEGRS category premised on an antisemitic stereotype. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and EGRS. (For the record, I think that African American billionaires probably hold-ups to EGRS, but that's because of the very recent history of us economics, https://www.ncrc.org/the-racial-wealth-divide-and-black-billionaires-across-the-globe/) But for Jewish billionaires that seems to me playing much more into negative stereotypes rather than economic gains/academic interest) Mason (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

C'on! Really?! On what basis? This is simply a category, what would you do if I created an article? How is that anti-Semitic stereotyping? If so, why don't you just delete all reference to people's religions in their respective articles?! Being successful is not a crime. To address the nominator's points, as they mentioned above, there exists an Category:African-American billionaires, I have also created Category:Asian American billionaires, Category:Arab American billionaires. I emptied Category:American Asian billionaires since I thought Category:Asian American billionaires is more correct linguistically and more in line with the reference to that group. I will also create a category for American Hispanic billionaires. Furthermore, what prevents anyone here from creating a category for all other groups (Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.) if that's your argument for not allowing this category? Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also just created Category: American Italian billionaires, which somehow weirdly created another Category:Italian American billionaires category. One of them can be deleted. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All these should be merged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Congrats to all the billionaires of any nationality or ethnicity on your money, please pay your tax bills in full. jengod (talk) 21:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Neo-Latin writers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Neo-Latin writers

Category:Yemeni scientists by century

The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Yemeni scientists by century to Category:Yemeni scientists

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There is only one century in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 04:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Politicians arrested in Yemen

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Yemen. (non-admin closure) Toadette ^{(Let's talk together!)} 22:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Politicians arrested in Yemen to Category:Prisoners and detainees of Yemen

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection of occupation and location of arrest. Mason (talk) 04:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, we shouldn't have "arrested" categories anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom and Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 17:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Marching

Propose purging Category:Marching (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Purge or reparent. Are pride parades part of military traditions? There's already Category:Military marching and Category:Military marches. --MikutoH ^talk! 02:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Selectively merge to Category:Parades and turn the page into a disambiguation page, per WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Electronic rock musicians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Electronic rock musicians

Category:Aphex Twin songs

The result of the discussion was: implement NL's proposal. Namely, rename Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin, and re-parent to Category:Compositions by composer. Then merge Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin to the newly-renamed Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Aphex Twin tracks

Nominator's rationale: (Or maybe "Aphex Twin compositions".) Strictly speaking, songs contain singing. Aphex Twin tracks have no singing, or no singing in the traditional sense. For example, it is not really accurate to describe Avril 14, a piano instrumental, as a "song". Popcornfud (talk) 17:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lean oppose. Don't other categories have non-singing songs in them? I don't think it's helpful for navigation to make the distinction between songs that contain vocal tracks and those that do not. Mason (talk) 20:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just for clarity, I'm not proposing we create separate tracks for vocal and instrumental Aphex Twin tracks, just keeping a single category and renaming it. (There are very few, if any, Aphex Twins that could really be called "songs" in my view, and I also suspect the habit of calling non-vocal tracks "songs" tends to be an Americanism, but that's probably by the by.) Popcornfud (talk) 21:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Category:Aphex Twin compositions would well fit as a subcategory of Category:Compositions by composer. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would work for me. Mason (talk) 20:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would that not also be redundant to Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 15:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars seems to be right, this should be a merge or reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't have very strong opinions on this. Mason (talk) 19:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alt Rename Category:Aphex Twin songs to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin, and re-parent to Category:Compositions by composer per Marcocapelle (and Mason);

& merge Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin to Category:Compositions by Aphex Twin per Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars. Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin was created 15 January 2016‎; Category:Aphex Twin songs was created 21 October 2007‎, is therefore older, and therefore should be the merge target. This seems to be a comprehensive solution to all issues observed above. NLeeuw (talk) 14:35, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Comments on NL's proposal would be very much appreciated!
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Love it! Mason (talk) 00:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should I ping the other participants to ask their opinion? They might not have read this, but I don't want to unnecessarily alert people. NLeeuw (talk) 06:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This final solution is surely in line with my earlier comments. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle Don't you mean 'certainly'? I often see you use the word 'surely' where I expect the word 'certainly'. As far as I know, in English, 'surely' is usually used in a question sentence to someone else, asking them to confirm something you would expect / like them to believe, or to say, or to do / to have done. 'Surely you locked the door, didn't you?' It's like the English equivalent of '...toch zeker wel...?' See the usage notes at https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/surely because [surely] connotes strong affirmation, it is used when the speaker or writer expects to be agreed with. Unlike sure it may be used neutrally—the reader or hearer may or may not agree, and it is often used when the writer is trying to persuade.
- Surely you must admit that it was a good decision.
In this case, it's like you're asking yourself whether you agree with your own earlier comments. 'Deze oplossing is toch zeker wel in lijn met mijn eerdere opmerkingen?' There is nobody who can answer that question except for you. NLeeuw (talk) 06:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Then my "surely" should be read as "certainly". Happy to improve my English vocabulary. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You're welcome! NLeeuw (talk) 00:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: ....and I forgot to tag Category:Songs written by Aphex Twin last week. Oops. If there are no further comments by next week, we should be all set for implementing NL's proposal. Apologies for the delay/third relisting.
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Ah no worries HouseBlaster. :) NLeeuw (talk) 17:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 14

Category:Category:Overseas Chinese Presidents

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Overseas Chinese Presidents (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I think this means 'Politicians of Chinese descent who became President of a country', which seems like too narrow a category. Giant Snowman 15:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge this category into Category:Politicians of Chinese descent instead. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. If kept rename to Category:National presidents of Chinese descent aligning with Category:National presidents and Category:People of Chinese descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: merge or delete?
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Merging is unnecessary, the articles are already in Category:Guyanese politicians of Chinese descent etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Do not merge per Marcocapelle. NLeeuw (talk) 04:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Heads of state of Chinese descent (or Heads of state and heads of government of Chinese descent). 58.152.55.172 (talk) 09:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:12th-century French novelists

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:12th-century French novelists to Category:12th-century novelists

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. The 12th-century novelists category is too small for diffusion by nationality (a.k.a. there's 2 people in the entire tree). Mason (talk) 23:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Independant Native American countries

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Independant Native American countries (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Or plausibly, just a rename to correct the spelling error. Redundant at best with other categories, the notion of a "country" as we understand it seems dangerously nebulous and unattested in several member articles here. Remsense诉 22:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom; Native Americans did not have nation states per se, at least not according to the sources I've read. Dubious. 162 etc. (talk) 23:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly rename to Category:Independent Native American confederacies but I am not opposing deletion either. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Visual artists in late 20th-century Australia

The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:20th-century Australian artists. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 13:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Visual artists in late 20th-century Australia to Category:Australian contemporary artists/Category:Australian modern artists
Propose merging Category:Visual artists in early 20th-century Australia to Category:Australian contemporary artists

Nominator's rationale: Can we make these categories more defining? I really don't know what to do with them. Perhaps split by art movement? Mason (talk) 19:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:20th-century Australian artists as the most obvious merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Smasongarrison: are you okay with Marco's suggested target? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I'm very ok with using the most obvious target. Mason (talk) 22:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Food gods

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Food gods

Category:Canadian mIlitary personnel by city

The result of the discussion was: speedy renamed as a straightforward spelling error that didn't require debate. Bearcat (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Canadian mIlitary personnel by city to Category:Canadian military personnel by city

Nominator's rationale: There is a typo in the category name, there should not be a capital I inside "military". ☆ Bri (talk) 15:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per WP:C2A, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename per WP:C2A. NLeeuw (talk) 04:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not necessary to take a straightforward spelling error like this to CFD for seven full days of discussion, and this could have been handled as a speedy. Dirty deed already done, dirt cheap. Bearcat (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Beauty goddesses

The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Toadette ^{(Let's talk together!)} 21:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Beauty goddesses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Vague categorization based on "associated with". PepperBeast (talk) 13:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Why single this one category out from the very large Category:Goddesses by association? Makes no sense. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Every single category about "deities of x", covers associations. Dimadick (talk) 14:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The category may need some cleaning up, but the association is fairly common in every pantheon. Invokingvajras (talk) 3:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep Goddesses like Lakshmi are linked with Beauty.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a rare instance in which association may be WP:DEFINING, as deities are defined by what humans believe about them. As examining what or how deities really are, or if they even exist, is beyond human capacity, human beliefs about what they are, and associations about what they do, need to be central in how we categorise them, as long as associations are not WP:UNDUE. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

April 13

Category:NFL marching bands

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:NFL marching bands to Category:National Football League marching bands

Nominator's rationale: C2C. Trivialist (talk) 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sovietism

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Sovietism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: As category statute itself states, "Articles relating to Sovietisms, the neologisms and cliches in the Russian language of the epoch of the Soviet Union." But this is perfectly covered by Category:Soviet phraseology, for the first. For the second, someone included into it the categories Neo-Sovietism‎ (3 C, 32 P) Stalinism‎ (16 C, 112 P)

whicxh have nothing to do with " neologisms and cliches in the Russian language". - Altenmann >talk 22:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, or possibly convert to a soft redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Intersex lesbians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Intersex lesbians

Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films

Category:Rocky (film series)

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Rocky (film series) to Category:Rocky (franchise)
Propose renaming Category:Rocky characters to Category:Rocky (franchise) characters
Propose renaming Category:Rocky (film series) films to Category:Rocky (franchise) films
Propose renaming Category:Rocky (film series) mass media to Category:Rocky (franchise) mass media
Propose renaming Category:Rocky (film series) music to Category:Rocky (franchise) music
Propose renaming Category:Rocky (film series) soundtracks to Category:Rocky (franchise) soundtracks
Propose renaming Category:Rocky (film series) video games to Category:Rocky (franchise) video games
Propose renaming Category:Songs from Rocky (film series) to Category:Songs from Rocky (franchise)

Nominator's rationale: C2D per Rocky (franchise). Charles Essie (talk) 21:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia

Propose renaming Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia to Category:19th-century churches in New Caledonia

Nominator's rationale: Broaden this category to include 19th-century churches of all denominations. There are only two pages in here, and 4 total in the entire Roman Catholic churches in New Caledonia Mason (talk) 23:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:19th century in New Caledonia. Even this category is so small that Category:19th-century churches in New Caledonia is certainly not viable. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for categorising under the dependent territory and the continent category trees. (Otherwise combine with the counterparts for other territoires d'outre-mer, collectivités d'outre-mer, pays d'outre-mer and collectivités sui generis.) 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both the rename and the merge proposal are keeping the content in the tree of the the dependent territory, so this is not a reason to oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case either keep as it is, or, less preferably, keep a big tent category for Roman Catholic churches of all collectivités d'outre-mer along with the sole pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I countered your argument in my previous reply. Then it does not make sense to repeat your "keep" without any new argument. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI to the closer this IP is probably WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 02:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marcocapelle you didn't have a single word on the big-tent proposal on a category for all collectivités d'outre-mer, the pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis. What's your take? (...are keeping the content in the tree of the the dependent territory... And no I don't mean generally the tree under Category:Dependent territories but Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory specifically.) 61.244.93.97 (talk) 08:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory is a container category i.e. not a merge target for a category populated with articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what's your take in the big-tent proposal for all collectivités d'outre-mer, the pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis? Such a category can be placed under Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 07:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one is removing the category from Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory, you're just imposing unnecessary layers that at the present do not help navigation. Mason (talk) 23:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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@Marcocapelle, @Mason, any compromise here? — Qwerfjkl talk 17:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films set in the Rajput Empire

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Films set in the Rajput Empire to Category:Films set in Rajput kingdoms

Nominator's rationale: rename, the category contains films set in various Rajput kingdoms, e.g. the kingdom of Mewar. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scholars of Greek language

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Scholars of Greek language

Category:Arab gangs

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Arab gangs to Category:Lebanese mafia

Nominator's rationale: rename, these are Lebanese mafia gangs. Arab is inaccurate, since many Lebanese people do not identify as Arab. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, because I think this category should be kept so that Category:Arab gangs can be merged into it. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, what? You want Category:Arab gangs to merged into itself? NLeeuw (talk) 07:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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support that the name is bad, but caveat: it should not only be renamed, but recategorized as well, because "Gangs" and "mafia" are different category trees. - Altenmann >talk 22:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Main article is Lebanese mafia. NLeeuw (talk) 19:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Companies that operate fighter jets

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fighter aircraft operators. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Companies that operate fighter jets to Category:Companies that operate fighter aircraft

Nominator's rationale: Not sure whether this is an appropriate category, but if so it should align with Category:Fighter aircraft. – Fayenatic London 11:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think it's okay to standardize this on "aircraft" instead of "jets". I'm unaware of any companies that currently operate fighters with propellers at a similar scale. Edward Sandstig (talk) 12:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt rename to Category:Fighter aircraft operators; compare Category:Seaplane operators. There are no other catnames with "companies that operate" or "companies operating" in it; just "operators" will do, and Category:Seaplane operators (which are all commercial airlines) are the closest example of that. Compare also Category:Lists of aircraft operators by aircraft type. I think it's an appropriate category; it's for private companies in the defence sector which test fighter aircraft and train pilots, and that makes sense. NLeeuw (talk) 07:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london @Sandstig What do you think of my suggestion? NLeeuw (talk) 19:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you, NLeeuw. Support Alt rename. I would also create a parent company Category:Aircraft operators by aircraft type over those three. – Fayenatic London 21:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. NLeeuw (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Studies of right-wing politics

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Studies of right-wing politics

Category:Paleontology portal

The result of the discussion was: keep Category:Paleontology portal. Merge Category:Paleontology portals to Category:Biology portals and Category:History portals. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Paleontology portal to Category:Paleontology portals

Nominator's rationale: These seem to effectively be a duplicate category. I'm bringing the category here in case I'm missing something obvious Mason (talk) 01:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this is the category for the pages used by Portal:Paleontology. Category:Paleontology portals is a hierarchical category for categorizing various paleontological portals, such as Portal:Dinosaurs. If we are to organize pages by category instead of using PREFIXINDEX to look up supages, then the category is useful. Now, the proposed merge target only has two entries, so it might instead be upmerged into something else.-- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 04:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Paleontology portals to Category:Biology portals and/or to Category:History portals, redundant category layer with only two portals. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: any merger would remove Paleontology portals (plural). We should keep the nominated Paleontology portal (singular) to hold the subpages within one portal, because Biology portals (plural) and History portals do not do this job: instead, they serve a different maintenance purpose of holding the portals within one subject area. Certes (talk) 09:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That is a very good point, I will tag Paleontology portals too. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but consider merging the plural form instead, as discussed above. Certes (talk) 14:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge target for the plural category?
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Category:Rajput era

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Rajput era (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. In fact the category is quite a hodgepodge of unrelated articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Volvo Open Cup

The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Volvo Open Cup (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful category, as it contains only one article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It contains two pages now. If not kept, it should be merged to the relevant parent categories, rather than deleted. Mason (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to all parent categories per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women's firsts

The result of the discussion was: keep. If OP wishes to pursue this nomination further, they are welcome to renominate while tagging all of the categories (User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD can help with that) and presenting a substantive reason for deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Women's firsts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:First women attorneys general (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:First women chief justices (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:First women governors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:First women mayors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:First women government ministers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:First women presidents (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:First women legislative speakers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Created by a user who was indefinitely blocked for disruptive behavior. Векочел (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close. The nominator makes no valid argument for deletion. The editor in question was not evading a ban at the time their account was created; the fact that they were deemed disruptive seven months after they created the category is wholly irrelevant. ——Serial Number 54129 17:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Comment. most of these nominations are not tagged. Further, I don't think this is a good reason to nominate a category. These categories seem defining to me as many first female FOO are described as such in the lead. If not kept, the categories should be merged to the relevant women/female occupation categories. Mason (talk) 21:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:First Nations drawing artists

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:First Nations drawing artists

Category:1950s in Ajmer

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:1950s in Ajmer to Category:History of Ajmer

Nominator's rationale: merge, Ajmer State only existed for six years, so there is no need for diffusion by century or decade. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Districts of India by name

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedia categories named after districts of India and make hidden. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Districts of India by name (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, "by name" is not diffusing anything. In theory the category should be merged to Category:Districts of India but the content is already in that target's subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedia categories named after districts of India, like Category:Wikipedia categories named after districts of England. Apparently it should then be made a hidden category. – Fayenatic London 10:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, it is not clear to me what purpose this has, but let's then just apply this existing convention. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

17th and 18th century in the Mughal Empire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#17th and 18th century in the Mughal Empire

Category:German pies

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:German pies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: There is no concept of "pie" in Germany other than as something imported from Britain or the US, compare de:Pie. Calling these particular German Kuchen "pies" is WP:SYNTH original research. See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Germany#Zwetschgenkuchen. —Kusma (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a corresponding template, compare Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_13#Template:German_pies. —Kusma (talk) 13:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the three articles are already in Category:German cakes which is a better place for them. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; agree with Kusma that the concept of pie (as a separate category of food from cake) seems to have no meaning in German cuisine. Valereee (talk) 14:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, Marco and Valereee. NLeeuw (talk) 03:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agreed, there is no such thing as pies in German cuisine, and all three of the entries listed here are cakes, not pies. Ejgreen77 (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles involving the Pratihara Empire

The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Wars involving the Pratihara Empire and Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Battles involving the Pratihara Empire to Category:Wars involving the Pratihara Empire and Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms

Nominator's rationale: merge for now, currently just one article in the category, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 03:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1940s jazz album stubs

The result of the discussion was: Merge the categories but Keep the templates. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:1940s jazz album stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Template:1940s-jazz-album-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2020s jazz album stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Template:2020s-jazz-album-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The templates, ((1940s-jazz-album-stub)) and ((2020s-jazz-album-stub)), were created a year ago without being proposed at WP:WSS/P. With very few articles to populate the categories, I notified the creator and upmerged the templates, negating the need for these two categories. The categories were recently recreated (without any proposal) but still only contain 2 and 5 articles. The templates should either be upmerged again or outright deleted due to the low number of candidates, but there is no need yet for the categories. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 07:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep templates as part of a series in Category:Jazz album stubs, but merge categories to parents as too small. https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=28010202 finds only 15 stub articles for 2020s jazz albums. https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=28010212 finds only 8 for 1940s. – Fayenatic London 09:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Amend templates so that they upmerge; Delete categories as being insufficiently populated to satisfy WP:WSS. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, exactly. – Fayenatic London 10:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles involving Bengal

Propose merging Category:Battles involving Bengal to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms and Category:History of Bengal

Nominator's rationale: merge, battles are diffused by (former) countries and Bengal was not a country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Battles involving Bangladesh, The battles in the category are involved Bengal region and Bangladesh is created from the a big part of the region. It would be better to rename the category and make specify it for country-wise battle category. Mehedi Abedin 09:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- No, that would be highly anachronistic, and some of these battles were in West Bengal. – Fayenatic London 09:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Military history of Bengal. IMHO this is a useful division of Category:History of Bengal. – Fayenatic London 09:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok that is a reasonable alternative, but then still the content should be added to Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms too. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Marcocapelle: it should only be a selective merge to that parent, because many of the articles are already in other subcats of that one, and I'm not sure whether the others belong there. I suggest you watch the category and merge any valid missing items yourself if the rename goes through. – Fayenatic London 15:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Warsaw Veterinary Institute alumni

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Warsaw Veterinary Institute alumni (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Do we really need such a deep category tree for a single alumnus? Neither of the institutions have wikipedia pages Don State Agrarian University, Warsaw Veterinary Institute. Mason (talk) 04:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (rather than upmerge) per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States Sports Academy

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:United States Sports Academy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Central Penn College (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: These categories only have the eponymous article in it and the logo of the college. In theory, upmerge for now, but in reality, delete because the page is already categorized. Mason (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 12

Native American artists by gender

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Native American artists by gender

Category:United Center

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:United Center (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. Tagged by Namiba on February 4 but not listed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as prior nom. FWIW, I still think Category:Events at United Center and the other similar categories should be deleted too.--User:Namiba 19:26, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Serer presidents

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Serer presidents to Category:Serer politicians

Nominator's rationale: I don't think we should be diffusing at the intersection of ethnicity and specific political office. Also as a follow up to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_30#Category:Serer_jurists Mason (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Senegal has had 5 presidents since independence. 3 of those 5 were Serers as the cat clearly shows. The 4th had a Serer mother and a Serer wife. And we have not even accounted for Gambia and Mauritania where the Serer people are also found. I think this cat is pretty useful to the general reader and has great potential. There is no policy that I know of that states we can't do that. If that's the case, then there is no point in having cats for ethnicities and nationalities e.g. English actors, Scottish actors, etc.... Tamsier (talk) 02:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But how does it meet the criteria for defining intersection, under WP:EGRS/IThat's the policy that this category doesn't meet the keep criteria for. Your arguments don't address the lack of defining intersection. Comparing this category to English actors is not comparable. We don't have English presidents, but we do have English politicians. Mason (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cat:Serer presidents is implemented in order to split cat:Serer people - which is permitted by OCEGRS. It helps us split notable Serers into their profession rather than lumping them all into the Cat:Serer people. To do that, would overload Cat:Serer people and would not help the reader at all. In fact, most notable Serers have not been added to this Cat for exactly that reason. The cat:Serer people should only contain Serer people, Saafi people, Niominka people, Serer-Laalaa, Ndut people, Palor people, etc., in the main Cat, and then sub cats for Serer people based on their profession. In my view, this would be more useful and helpful to the reader. Tamsier (talk) 14:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But it isn't helping diffuse Serer people. It's a subcategory of Serer politicians. Mason (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Categories needing manual work before deletion

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Categories needing manual work before deletion to Category:Categories needing manual work after a discussion

Nominator's rationale: not all categories here will be deleted; some are just being purged. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – we will need to update the usage criteria stated at Template:Cfd manual/doc. – Fayenatic London 21:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per actual usage. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Serer cardinals

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Serer cardinals to Category:Serer people

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one cardinal that meets this criteria, which is unhelpful for navigation. If not merged, I think we should broaden the category to clergy or religious workers. Mason (talk) 19:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: In Senegal and Gambia, but especially Senegal were the Serer are the third largest ethnic group, this community constitute the majority of the Christian community. I get your argument, but I truly believe this category is extremely helpful, and would provide even greater help to the reader in the future. There are more people that could potentially be added to this cat. I therefore urge the community to give it time and keep it as is.Tamsier (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What other cardinals can be added? It's been 10 years since the category was created. I feel like that's more than enough time. And if sufficiently more people exist, those categories can be created again. Relevant: CFD that ended with deletion. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 30#Category:Serer jurists Mason (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Egyptian Football League clubs

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Egyptian Football League clubs to Category:Egyptian Premier League clubs

Nominator's rationale: To match parent article and category, Egyptian Premier League. Ben5218 (talk) 18:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 09:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:C2D. Giant Snowman 09:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Original programming

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Television shows. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Original programming (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. Although we do use the "original programming" wording in for "television programs by network" categories, that's only because we want television programs to be categorized only for the service they were actually original to, and not for services that picked up rebroadcast rights -- for instance, a show that is original to NBC in the United States would be catted as NBC original programming, but would not get categorized for its rebroadcast by CTV in Canada, ITV in the UK or Seven in Australia.
But literally by definition, every television program is "original" to some television service or other -- a television program can't exist at all without being "original" to some television channel, network or streaming platform -- which just makes this functionally indistinguishable from Category:Television programming. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose straight deletion; the sub-cats by streaming service or network/channel should be parented together somewhere. Maybe merge and redirect to Category:Television shows. – Fayenatic London 21:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Fayenatic london. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2023 farm sims

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:2023 farm sims to Category:Farming video games

Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by intersection of unrelated characteristics. Category:Farming video games does not have any scheme of subcategorizing its contents by individual year of release, and the Category:Video games by year tree doesn't have any established scheme of subcategorizing games for the intersection of genre with year of release either -- so this is the only category of this type that exists at all, but special treatment isn't necessary for just four games.
All four games have been left in the 2023 video games parent alongside this, so no upmerging is necessary in that direction. Bearcat (talk) 16:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Having a dedicated category for this specific year isn't necessary, given that games released from other years are all located at Category:Farming video games. Ben5218 (talk) 18:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia community campaigns

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikimedia community projects. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 13:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia community campaigns to Category:Wikimedia community project

Nominator's rationale: I recently made this category and it does not have broad use. The better name is "Wikimedia community project" because Wikimedia community project (Q56248902) already has some use in Wikidata, and it is the same concept. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is largely a set category so it should be plural at least. Possibly rename to Category:Wikimedia community projects, or keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bluerasberry: are you okay with the plural rename? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle and HouseBlaster: The plural is correct and singular is an error. Yes I support. Bluerasberry (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Politicians of the Second Polish Republic

Politicians of the Korean Empire

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Politicians of the Korean Empire

Category:Politicians of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies

The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Politicians of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies to selected parents

Nominator's rationale: Manual merge to parents as appropriate. E.g. although the lede for Ferdinando Petruccelli della Gattina says he was a politician, he seems rather to have been a journalist. If not merged, then rename to Category:Politicians from the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies using "from" as above. – Fayenatic London 15:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manually merge to Category:Kingdom of the Two Sicilies people if they belong there. If they don't, they also do not belong in this nominated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Politicians of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Politicians of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan

Category:Hosts of the CCTV New Year's Gala

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Hosts of the CCTV New Year's Gala (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT --wooden superman 11:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, obvious application of the guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sesame Street crew

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Sesame Street crew (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Cast and crew fail WP:PERFCAT. --wooden superman 09:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, obvious application of the guideline. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Muppet performers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Muppet performers

Category:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic developers

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic developers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Categorising by specific production follows the same logic as WP:PERFCAT. Category:Video game developers is sufficient. --wooden superman 09:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT . Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fallout (series) developers

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Fallout (series) developers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete, in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT . Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Children of Humayun Ahmed

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Children of Humayun Ahmed to Category:Family of Humayun Ahmed

Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTINHERITED. Nearly all the other entries in Category:Children by person are historical/dynastic. --wooden superman 07:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, while I am not sure how WP:NOTINHERITED would apply here, it is not worth keeping this category with only two entries, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that if notability is not inherited, then categorisation in this manner is not defining. --wooden superman 17:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lighthouses

The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1310 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 14th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1310
Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1323 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 14th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1323
Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1328 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 14th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1328
Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1531 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1531
Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1543 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1543
Propose merging Category:Lighthouses completed in 1594 to Category:Lighthouses completed in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1594

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination would surreptitiously empty "transport infrastructure" year categories (see Category:Transport infrastructure by year of completion). If a nomination would empty a differently-named layer, then it would be good practice to tag and list those categories. In this case, however, since Lighthouses are part of the Transport infrastructure hierarchy, merge but use "transport infrastructure" year categories as the second target in each case, rather than "infrastructure". – Fayenatic London 09:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination adapted accordingly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mayor and cabinet executives

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Mayor and cabinet executives to Category:Local authorities in England with elected mayor

Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, the category does not contain articles about mayors but instead articles about local authorities. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, the new name would certainly help reflect the existing content. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label

Category:Fraggle Rock albums

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Fraggle Rock albums to Category:Fraggle Rock

Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article, this is the only category that it makes sense to merge to. (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, this is not an artists' albums category, Fraggle Rock is a television series. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Children of princesses regnant

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Princesses regnant. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging Category:Children of princesses regnant to Category:Princesses regnant and Category:Children of monarchs

Nominator's rationale: Aside from sons and daughters, I think no other subcategories are expected any time soon. That makes this a redundant layer to be dual-upmerged for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom, redundant category layer. But only to Category:Princesses regnant because the subcategories are already in the tree of Category:Children of monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh well-spotted! Then we don't need a dual merge indeed. NLeeuw (talk) 16:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American politicians who are the sole member of their party in statewide office

The result of the discussion was: delete. Before I get to the analysis of how I reached a "delete" outcome, I want to say that this is one of the nastiest discussions I have seen in a while. Comments about editors (to arbitrarily pick one example, Editors insisting that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy) can easily be rephrased without attacking other editors (such as The idea that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy; this is not to say that is a particularly strong argument, but it is certainly stronger than attacking good-faith contributors).

Numerically this is a wash, with five editors supporting deletion to three editors wishing to keep the category. While discussions on Wikipedia are not votes, the head count is not completely irrelevant either. However, as was pointed out, some very blatant canvassing has taken place (1, 2, 3, 4). Discarding BottleOfChocolateMilk's !vote, which was directly canvased at their talk page, we have five editors who support deletion to two editors who support keeping the category.

To overcome such numbers, the arguments in favor of keeping the category must be fairly strong. Supporters of keeping the category pointed to reliable sources which used "only statewide elected elected official of a given party" as descriptor of given politicians. People supporting deletion countered by saying they are trivial, arbitrary characteristics. Neither argument is particularly stronger than the other, so as closer it would be supervoting to close as keep in the face of more than 2:1 opposition.

As always, I welcome questions/comments/concerns about this close (or anything I have done in general!) at my talk page. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:American politicians who are the sole member of their party in statewide office (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Overcategorization as non-defining, trivial, narrow, possibly others. This category is also temporary. ~~If a Republican wins in Maine's 2nd congressional district this fall, then Susan Collins no longer qualifies.~~ If Mary Peltola or Jon Tester lose reelection, they no longer qualify. Joe Manchin isn't running for reelection, so he comes out when his term expires. Also, as noted in the category, this can be incomplete or inaccurate as state supreme court justices are not always partisan, but they may be members of parties. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. One might just as well create a Category:American politicians who like eating chips, live on the 3rd floor and are named Kyle. NLeeuw (talk) 01:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Pretty much every complaint listed here is arbitrary, subjective and baseless. This is a key measure of partisanship and political party strength. It is relevant to understanding the electoral geography of the United States. Yes, circumstances will change with the occurrence of elections and require the page to be updated. That can be done easily and promptly. You have apparently invented your own rule requiring categories to be permanently included on pages. There are plenty of categories which require people to be "current" in holding a position. (Although your Maine example is obviously mistaken, considering the fact that the congressional district is not a statewide office, the Alaska and WV examples are true, but not a valid reason for deletion). The potato chip analogy is intellectually insulting - you are arguing that this key measure of partisanship in states is as relevant as someone's snack food preferences? With all due respect, that is ridiculous. The supreme court justice caveat is merely an acknowledgement that the affiliation of some offices cannot be reliably or consistently sourced. Warning editors against making baseless assumptions does not mean that the category is invalid. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just wanted to add Category:Current elections as one of many examples proving that there is no prohibition whatsoever on so-called "temporary" categories. Also, look at the tables on each of the pages included in Category:Political party strength in the United States by state. How is that strength measured? By color coding, letting the reader know when members of political parties last held statewide office or legislative control. This category isolates that information, leading the reader from a page about an individual politician to broader knowledge of ideological trends and electoral geography. 1Matt20 (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Category:Current elections is a maintenance category populated by ((Current election)). Category:Political party strength in the United States by state is a category of pages on political party strength, and while that strength changes, the pages in the category won't. Legit point on my error on Susan Collins. A Republican governor or senator elected in Maine would remove her from this category, though. That makes this non-defining for the politicians in the category for sure, as well as possibly other forms of overcategorization as listed on that page. So there's nothing "arbitrary, subjective, or baseless" about my nom. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You have restated your personal belief that having to eventually remove a page from a category makes it non-defining. You are unable to actually point me to a categorization rule which requires every category to be binding forever. Wikipedia is edited responsively to reflect current events, and I can assure you I will keep this category updated to the occurrence of elections. You are unable to respond to my rebuttal that the supreme court justice caveat merely asks editors to not make unsourced assumptions based on the party of governors who appointed justices. Finally, before I created this category, other editors had already noted the politicians included as the sole remaining officeholders of their parties (quite prominently, on the intros of bio pages). Because that will change one day, must it be considered utterly irrelevant information on Wikipedia? 1Matt20 (talk) 18:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Delete per nom. I think it is an arbcat and it isn't a defining characteristic for the people in the category. This seems arbitrary. Why not two office holders? Why not zero? Mason (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around this mentality. If there is only one statewide officeholder from a political party, it is an clear sign of ideological domination and resource disparity. How on earth is that a meaningless consideration? Saying "Why not zero?" is pure sophistry. 1Matt20 (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  I'd like to delve specifically into what WP:ARBITRARYCAT uses as examples: Top 7% test scores, 100th episodes. These are indeed random markers - they don't tell you anything. If there is only one member of a political party left in statewide office, that is plainly informative about the state's partisan lean. It is notable because it is the most glaring signal possible of an officeholder's resistance to trends - they are unusually popular, their views don't reflect their party's typical base, etc. Hence why a person's status as final statewide officeholder is frequently cited in Wikipedia biographies as well as in the media. 1Matt20 (talk) 22:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Do you have examples of person's status as final statewide officeholder being used as defining characteristic of the person? Because I really don't see how this is defining for the person. I think it's defining for the office or the party, but not the person. Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You are conjuring mutual exclusivity out of thin air. It is defining for the party, the office, and especially for the person - the individual whose name is actually on the ballot, whose unique public identity allows them to be the only statewide official from their party, resisting headwinds of power balance in their state.
  
  I could go on and on with examples: Joe Manchin criticizes his party's incumbent president at an unusual rate and openly flirted with third-party registration. Mary Peltola votes against her party 12% of the time, the fourth highest of her colleagues, compared with just 6% defection rate by the average House Democrat. Susan Collins was the only Republican senator to vote against confirming Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Although he is a Democrat, Brian Gaines was appointed Comptroller of South Carolina by a Republican in order to move the office on from a corruption scandal. Are you noticing a pattern yet? If you're the only statewide representative of your party left, you are incentivized to be a "maverick."
  
  I expect you or the others on this thread to somehow contort each example into "not applying to the person." You are all making distinctions without differences, just arbitrarily splitting hairs at the cost of a category which streamlines comprehension of US political strategy and electoral geography. This perspective is baffling to me: "A holdout who defies the odds to be rewarded by the electorate for their unique image? Oh, that doesn't possibly mean anything." 1Matt20 (talk) 00:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a less temporal version of Category:American politicians who are the most recent member of their party to hold statewide office. This category is widely discussed in mainstream reliable sources (though not by this specific name), as "maverick" politicians usually have outsize impact on American politics. --Habst (talk) 17:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative to deletion: split into two separate categories, Category:Sole Democrats in Republican-majority U.S. states and Category:Sole Republicans in Democratic-majority U.S. states, with further explanation in the category pages. --Habst (talk) 17:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But why? BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Editors insisting that this category is completely arbitrary is eyeroll-worthy. If someone is the one and only member of their party holding statewide office in their state, that is very plainly noteworthy. News coverage of such officeholders frequently mention their status as the only Democrat/Republican holding statewide office in their state; see news coverage of Nicole Galloway, Nikki Fried, Rob Sand, Kim Wyman, etc. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 17:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trivia is not defining. To use one example, the fact that Susan Collins is temporarily the only Republican elected to a statewide office does not define her. At various times during her career in the Senate, fellow Republicans Paul LePage and Olympia Snowe were also elected to statewide office. Her temporary status as the only statewide elected Republican is non-defining.--User:Namiba 17:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as arbitrary and temporary. Susan Collins is far from being the only Republican to have served in statewide office in Maine. This category is a classic example of WP:PRESENTISM.--User:Namiba 19:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are completely mistaken about what the category means. It is for politicians who are CURRENTLY the only statewide officeholder. 1Matt20 (talk) 19:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process. WP:BADGERING editors doesn't enhance your cause. I believe that this category should be deleted.--User:Namiba 19:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am simply responding to you. You'd be right if the category was named "American politicians who are the only member of their party to ever serve in statewide office." That is not the name, and therefore not the meaning. You are entitled to your belief and vote, even if it is based on a misinterpretation. I am entitled to respectfully engage until the discussion is closed. 1Matt20 (talk) 19:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Canvassed by 1Matt20 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics [7] and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography [8] (and also User talk:Tom.Reding and User talk:BottleOfChocolateMilk) with appeal for Keep votes, some description of arguments for deletion, and The Delete voters have been largely unresponsive, and even when they do respond, have been argumentatively selective and engage in sophistry. NebY (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American Football (band)

The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 06:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:American Football (band) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: User:JDBauby just added all the albums into this category and that is not helpful for navigation. This should be deleted, the albums kept in their appropriate album-related categories and band members put into Category:American Football (band) members, leaving this main category too small to exist. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if everything was organised (albums -> discography, members -> band members, etc.), would it not be good to have a master category that held all of these subcategories? JDBauby (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned it up a bit. Three subcats (albums, songs, members) plus a discography page have been enough to keep such eponymous parent cats in the past. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn Per above: three legit categories and three legit articles in the main category is the bare minimum. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ^Queenof_Hearts 00:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Queen of Hearts: why have you relisted this? You could have closed it as withdrawn. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, it was withdrew after I relisted. ^Queenof_Hearts 06:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American insect pathologists

The result of the discussion was: triple merge to all of the targets suggested. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:American insect pathologists to Category:American entomologists and Category:Insect pathologists

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There are only two people in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Especially, when these are the only two pages in the Insect pathologists tree Mason (talk) 00:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge, but to Category:American entomologists and Category:American pathologists in the first place. Optionally triple merge to Category:Insect pathologists too, but as said that category is still very small. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For more opinions on where to merge.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ^Queenof_Hearts 00:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either of the Merge targets that Marcocapelle has proposed are fine with me Mason (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 11

Category:Canadian people of Arab descent

The result of the discussion was: merge as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 03:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Arab descent to Category:Canadian people of Middle Eastern descent

Nominator's rationale: merge, the content of this category is not only about ethnic Arabs but also about all sorts of other ethnic groups in the Middle East (Coptic, Assyrian etc.), to such an extent that it almost resembles the Middle East category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians whose articles for creation was denied

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians whose articles for creation was denied (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 16:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who never listen to country music

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who never listen to country music (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#not-based * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who have been abducted by Thebiguglyalien

The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per WP:G7. (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 23:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who have been abducted by Thebiguglyalien (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#jokes WP:OC/U#Personal userspace categories. I hope you enjoyed April Fools Day 2024 everyone (I didn't, because it keeps leaving messes I have to clean up), but there's no reason for this category's continued existence. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, but don't take this as G7, as I created to fix a redlink. Courtesy ping: Sawyer-mcdonell, who was the first to add this to his userpage. ^Queenof_Hearts 20:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fine with me ... sawyer * he/they * talk 20:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tagged for G7. ^Queenof_Hearts 22:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment creator of the category has G7'ed it. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians supporting social democracy

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians supporting social democracy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#Advocacy * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians loving software updates

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians loving software updates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#Irrelevant likes * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, thank you for pointing that out @Pppery! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians with blue-linked categories on their user page

The result of the discussion was: delete. From WP:USERCATNO (linked by the nom):

Categories that are jokes/nonsense
This includes any grouping of users that is patently false (e.g. Wikipedians who are zombies, Wikipedians in their 780s), nonsensical (e.g. Userpages That Are Full Of LOL), undecipherable (e.g. Wikipedians who Watch animals from their POV), or created primarily for humourous or satirical purposes (e.g. Wikipedians who are one of an infinite number of monkeys). (my emphasis). Category clearly meets this. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians with blue-linked categories on their user page (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OC/U#All-inclusive WP:OC/U#jokes * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery: See WP:JUSTAPOLICY. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 09:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: You might want to read WP:PERNOM, an argument to avoid during deletion discussions. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 09:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Someone who's wrong on the internet: you are linking to an essay and it is unclear per part of the essay how many users agree with it. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe they were saying it is policy, nor do I think they were saying that it is something that needs to be agreed with. The essay points out a number of weak arguments that seem stronger than they actually are, or that are logical fallacies, etc. In this case, "per nom" is a very weak argument. Strong would be to retype the nom's argument exactly. Stronger still would be to restate the nom's argument in your own words. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Copying nom's argument or restating the argument in different words does not add any new argument either, and that is what matters. The point is that nom's argument as such is strong enough to convince other editors. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this in an innocuous joke category. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period

The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period. The other category has been split from my original closure. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period to Category:?????
Propose renaming Category:Attacks against Jews in the Palestine region in modern history to Category:?????

Nominator's rationale: I don't know what to name these categories, but I think they needs more clear names. Mason (talk) 03:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period to Category:Jewish villages depopulated in Mandatory Palestine more or less aligned with Category:Jewish villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Split Category:Attacks against Jews in the Palestine region in modern history to Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms in Ottoman Palestine and Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms in Mandatory Palestine per parent Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me Mason (talk) 21:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Qwerfjkl:, I request that you reopen this case. No rationale at all was provided for "Jewish villages depopulated in Mandatory Palestine", and it seems like nobody actually checked what the category represents. What this rename means is that almost all the articles in the category will have to be removed from it because these places were only abandoned for a short time before the inhabitants returned. They were not "depopulated". The category will end up with only one or two entries. Zero^talk 23:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle? — Qwerfjkl talk 08:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Qwerfjkl: by all means reopen/relist the discussion. For the record, the objection only applies to the first nominated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Reopened per request.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 18:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I notice now that I had omitted the word "temporarily" merely by accident. However if these villages were abandoned for only a short period then it is not a defining characteristic and Category:Jewish communities in Palestine temporarily abandoned during the mandate period should be deleted rather than renamed. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Only referring to the first category in this comment.) My first preference is for the category to be deleted, and my second preference is for the current name (with "temporarily") to be kept. There are only a tiny number of places in the list that can reasonably be said to have been "depopulated" and some are not really "communities" (such as a cluster of houses inside a city). Zero^talk 02:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Natural history

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:25, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Afghanistan
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Albania
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Algeria
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Andorra
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Angola
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Antigua and Barbuda
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Argentina
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Armenia
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Austria
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Australia
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Azerbaijan
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of Canada
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of the United Kingdom
Propose deleting Category:Natural history of the United States

Nominator's rationale: delete, Natural history used to be what we call Natural sciences today, the umbrella term of biology, physics, chemistry etc. The current meaning of natural history is very fuzzy. The content of these categories largely overlaps with Category:Environment of Afghanistan, Category:Environment of Albania etc. If consensus about this is likely I will also add the other countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doubt I must say I am confused by main article natural history itself as well. If it is just observation of organisms in their natural environment, why not just "biology"? Most definitions seem to exclude abiotic phenomena such as geology and hydrology, but the category tree often includes them. Without a proper meaning and scope of the term, I suppose I will vote for it to be deleted per WP:ARBITRARYCAT, but I'm willing to wait for anyone who may clarify the situation. NLeeuw (talk) 16:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, along with all of Category:Natural history by continent and Category:Natural history by country. Their parent Category:Natural history will still have other valid content about societies, journals etc, but it would be better to have "See also Category:Environment" etc than partly duplicate that modern-terminology hierarchy. I would have put Category:Natural regions in Natural history, but I see that Marcocapelle removed that [9] in 2020. – Fayenatic London 10:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Words and phrases by language

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose reconsidering Category:Words and phrases by language (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Many subcategories in it have the 'statute', like, ""This category is not for articles about concepts and things but only for articles about the words themselves. Please keep this category purged of everything that is not actually an article about a word or phrase". However I checked a couple and see that people dont care and put there items that are just about subjects that have title in foreingn language, such as e.g. Goralenvolk, Gokenin, Gradonachalnik.

Shall we undertake a really massive cleanup (and put these cats on watchlist to prevent from "contamination", since it will most surely happen )
or change the 'statutes' to reflect the status quo? I do feet that catigories, like, category:Russian terms to describe Russian culture are of value.- Altenmann >talk 19:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. While we are at that, it will make sense to double-check the ledes for proper "XXX is a term for YYY" vs. "XXX is YYY". For example two articles about basically same concept but in different cultures introduced dirfferently:
- Mazhory (from majors; roughly translates as "the superior ones"[1]) is a slang term used in the Soviet Union and post-Soviet countries for children of privileged people,
vs:
- Princelings (Chinese: 太子党), also translated as the Party's Crown Princes, are the descendants of prominent and influential senior communist officials in the People's Republic of China.

- Altenmann >talk 20:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we drop the requirement that the categories only contain articles about words themselves, then they just wouldn't be useful. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. A category containing every article that is a word in a specific language would be far too inclusive. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 20:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I dont think WP:NOTDICTIONARY is applicable here. Besides, We have articles such as Yiddish words used in English. Shouldn't the list items with articles be in a matching category?- Altenmann >talk 20:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Not necessarily, I don't think so. The article you mention already fulfills that exact purpose. Essentially my point is that if we drop the requirement in question then articles would be categorised purely based on their titles and not their scope, which I think is overcategorisation. It's not a very strong example of it, so I understand your concern, but I still think it's better if these categories of words and phrases only contain articles about words and phrases. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 20:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  ETA: I think list articles, like Yiddish words used in English, are a much better idea actually. I would be completely fine with list articles like those instead of putting non-word articles in the words categories. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 20:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The instruction on these category pages isn't clear at all. We should either remove the requirement or delete the categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: out of interest, what about it do you think is unclear? dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 20:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Words exist for the very purpose of referring to a concept or thing. It is not very well imaginable that we have articles about words that do not also discuss the meaning of the words. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That's fair. Almost every article should have a definition of its title but most articles are much more than just the meaning and usage of the word. In that case, the header should read "articles about the usage of the word in language" or something else to that effect. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 23:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Dummelaksen: let me rephrase this slightly: "articles mainly about the usage of the word in language". The question is how much % of the article should be about the usage of the word in language in order to qualify for the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  A good article should be about one thing and one thing only, i.e. an article should be about the word itself, or not about the word itself. So ideally, 100%. In reality a lot of articles in these categories aren't written well so are about the concept, but are inappropriately written like dictionary definitions.
  
  I've been very conservative thus far, and only removed articles that are clearly about concepts, but many of these articles should be rewritten to avoid WP:NOTDICT and WP:REFERSTO. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 05:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Should this category continue to exist? If so, how should it be organized? Specific proposals on the latter point would be appreciated!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 14:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Basically there are only two options: do nothing or delete. In the first option we may remove the requirement but even when the requirement is kept it will be ignored so the result is the same. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A rule (for lack of a better word) being ignored isn't reason to just give up and delete the categories though. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 16:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 14:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's an obvious parent category for Category:German words and phrases, Category:Russian words and phrases, Category:Place names by language, and so on. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 23:43, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Habitats Directive Species

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Habitats Directive Species

Category:Vaisala Prize Laureates

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Vaisala Prize Laureates to Category:Väisälä Prize Laureates

Nominator's rationale: The name of the prize is Väisälä Prize with umlauts. See the official webpage: https://acadsci.fi/en/grants-and-prizes/vaisala-prize/ Jähmefyysikko (talk) 08:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OCAWARD. If kept, we would probably need an English-language source to check the spelling in English. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's a better solution. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 18:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:South Dakota state representatives

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:South Dakota state representatives (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: this category is relatively small and redundant to the much larger Category:Members of the South Dakota House of Representatives.--TommyBoy (talk) 04:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the three articles are already in Category:Republican Party members of the South Dakota House of Representatives. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Czech saints

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Czech saints (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:CROSSCAT. Not sure if this phenomenon has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it in the CFD archives. I'm nominating this to initiate a preliminary discussion on the wider Category:Christian saints by nationality tree, as I see several issues with the selection criteria in many parts of this tree, and this particular category exemplifies them well.

A. Objectivity and verifiability: Whoever is considered a "saint" or not is inherently subjective and WP:POV. If this is even the 'job' of Wikipedia to start with, the only way to objectively categorise saints is by the authority of a relevant religious organisation (in this case a church or denomination), which has officially canonised a person as a saint in verifiable publications (WP:V + WP:RS). Perhaps one person is canonised by multiple organisations, and perhaps lots of individuals in a community or society unofficially believe in a person's sainthood, but we may assume that the rest of the world, by default, does not accept anyone's sainthood, especially not of anyone in a religious denomination other than their own (if any). Certain denominations such as Calvinist churches even vehemently oppose the very idea of sainthood as blasphemous, and don't recognise the saints of any other church either. It's always a saint according to church X. I think we can all agree on that.

B. Relevance of nationality: "Nationality" seems irrelevant. Generally speaking, secular authorities like states and governments are not in the business of canonising saints. It might be that the feasts of certain saints are established as public holidays (say, Saint Patrick's Day in Ireland and some other jurisdictions), and that there is some official symbolism devoted to a saint, but it's not the Republic of Ireland's business to say who is a saint and who isn't. (Proclaiming "national heroes" maybe, but that's a separate issue). Similarly, it's not the Czech Republic's business to accord sainthood to, say, Jan Hus. There seems to be no particular connection between sainthood (a religious legal status) and nationality (a secular legal status). This is why I'm leaning towards regarding the whole saints by nationality tree an inappropriate WP:CROSSCAT.

C. Original research: Finally, even if nationality somehow were an appropriate attribute of a saint, a great number of these saints lived at a time when the present-day states did not exist yet. The Czech Republic wasn't founded until 1993, the Republic of Ireland not until 1922/1937/1949 (depending on one's view), the Netherlands not until 1581/1648/1813/1815 etc., so how could there be such a thing as medieval "Czech", "Dutch", "Irish" etc. saints? This seems obvious WP:OR, driven by modern nationalism to arbitrarily claim various elements of the past for a modern political entity. The catdesc of Category:Christian saints by nationality seems to confirm this: This category is for articles about saints by the country they were from or are associated with. That's a textbook example of WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. Given that the relevance of "nationality" is already shaky, this seems even more reason to get rid of this kind of WP:ARBITRARYCAT.

I don't rule out the possibility that this category tree may be legitimate and useful after all. But I think we should at least discuss why we should have it or not. I'm also not picking on Czech saints in particular, it's just a very good example to illustrate the issues I'm seeing across the tree. (E.g. with "French saints" I wouldn't be able to raise point C. very well, as France's statehood arguably goes much further back and could arguably capture most medieval saints.) I would love to hear your thoughts. This is a large tree, we shouldn't be making rash decisions. NLeeuw (talk) 19:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Nederlandse Leeuw I don't have time for a full response now, but WP:CROSSCAT is about articles and refers to Wikipedia:Overcategorization for categories, so I suggest that arguments should be based on WP:OVERCAT, rather than WP:CROSSCAT. TSventon (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, but you'll notice I've invoked many more specific guidelines in my rationale: WP:POV, WP:V, WP:RS (these 3 issues can be overcome within the Category:Saints by religion tree, but not, I think, in the Category:Saints by nationality tree), relevance (I think nationality is WP:NONDEFINING for saints, because sainthood is not established through secular law, but ecclesiastical law, and denominations such as the Catholic Church and Constantinople Patriarchate operate internationally), WP:OR, WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH, and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 03:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia categories exist to help readers navigate the encyclopedia and I think Category:Christian saints by nationality is justified on that basis.

A. Objectivity and verifiability: I agree that you can argue there is a legitimate POV concern about Category:Christian saints.

B. Relevance of nationality: Category:Christian saints is a large category, so it is useful for navigation to WP:DIFFUSE it. Nationality is an accepted basis for diffusing large categories, so I would suggest keeping national categories unless a better method can be found. Nationality is relevant as churches such as the Catholic Church and Constantinople Patriarchate are divided into national units, such as the Catholic Church in the Czech Republic and the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. It is therefore not a WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Until the French Revolution, churches and secular governments in Europe were closely integrated and monarchs had an interest in who was canonised in their realms. Sometimes a saint would be canonised after being killed on behalf of a monarch. However sainthood should be a defining characterstic members of Category:Christian saints. If this is not the case for Jan Hus, he should not be in the category.

C. Original research: This is an issue for Category:Czech people, rather than just Category:Czech saints. I would argue that both categories are useful for navigation and that nationality is just as WP:DEFINING for saints as for other human beings. Category:Czech people by century, for example goes back to Category:9th-century people from Bohemia. If the catdesc of Category:Christian saints by nationality says This category is for articles about saints by the country they were from or are associated with. then the words "associated with" could be removed. TSventon (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Medieval Roman Catholic dioceses in the Low Countries, Germany and France, with modern borders in red

I agree with you that diffusing large categories is important for smooth navigation, but I agree with Marcocapelle below that Christian saints [should] only be diffused by century and no longer by nationality.

I'm afraid the ecclesiastical organisation argument shoots itself in the foot. Church provinces coinciding with national borders is a very modern phenomenon, and not even the Catholic Church has enough adherents in every country to have a province for each of them. Take the example of the map on the right there, showing that in the Middle Ages the borders of archdioceses in the Low Countries almost completely ignored the country borders that exist today (because those country borders didn't exist at the time either).

Evidently, Jan Hus was executed by the Catholic Church, which up until today regards him as a heretic and an enemy, whereas some but not all Orthodox and Lutheran denominations have canonised Hus as a saint. The sources provided - 64 and 65; two copies of the same 2011 interview with Christopher of Prague - state that Jan Hus has been canonised as a saint by the (Orthodox) Church of Greece, Church of Cyprus, and the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. Only the last one is relevant if we are to decide whether Hus is a "Czech" saint or not, and according to the 2021 Czech Republic census, only 0.4% of the population is a member of the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia. The Czechoslovak Hussite Church bears his name and acknowledges him as their predecessor, but There is no veneration of saints as practiced in the Apostolic Churches, and they constituted only 0.2% of the Czech population in 2021. In fact, we might look at Religion in the Czech Republic as a whole and see that almost half of Czechs have no religion at all, fewer than 10% are Catholics (who officially regard Hus as a heretic), and the few who hold Hus in high regard don't even show up in the piechart. Besides, the two categories declaring Jan Hus a "Lutheran saint" are not backed up by sources at all. So, all religious denominations in Czechia today who recognise Hus as a saint combined barely represent the Czech population. Who are we Wikipedians to say that Hus is their "saint"? The Orthodox Greeks and Cypriots who nominally believe in his sainthood probably outnumber the Czechs who do. Nationality is just completely irrelevant here.

If anything, we should have a Category:Saints in the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia as a child of Category:Eastern Orthodox saints. If we can't find enough to populate that category, then maybe we should listify them and make them a separate section in the main article Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia or something. Or, add Jan Hus to List of Eastern Orthodox saints with a source stating in which 3 orthodox churches he is currently recognised as a saint. Whatever we do, categorising as "Czech saints" is one of the worst options we could take here. NLeeuw (talk) 08:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NLeeuw I am arguing that we usually categorise people by nationality, so it helps navigation to categorise saints by nationality as well.

Church provinces coinciding with national borders is not a modern phenomenon: the original dioceses were based on Roman dioceses. I will agree that the borders church provinces did not always and immediately change to follow state boundaries. However, as I argued earlier churches and secular governments in western Europe Europe were closely integrated, this can be seen in the History of Christianity in the Czech lands. Differing boundaries are an issue for subcategories of Category:Czech people and Category:Dutch people in general, not particularly for the saints categories.

As to Jan Hus, the sourced text of the article should show that being a saint is a defining characteristic, which it apparently doesn't, so he could be removed from the category. Most of the contents of the Czech saints category is in Category:Czech Roman Catholic saints. Should that be nominated for deletion as well? Most of the members of that category are clearly connected to Bohemia and Moravia. TSventon (talk) 23:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Czech Roman Catholic saints is more specific, because that has a denomination or religious organisation behind it. I'm still not sure about the "Czech" part, but on the whole it is indeed less problematic.

I think you may be right that Jan Hus should be removed from all or some saints categories, especially the Lutheran ones as long as the article doesn't say anything about it.

For nationalities categories, we've been having a lot of constructive dialogue and agreements in recent years, including Category:People from the Kingdom of Bohemia, where Hus probably belongs. NLeeuw (talk) 06:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A is not so much a problem because Christian churches have set procedures for sainthood attribution. For more clarity the category may be renamed from "saints" to "Christian saints" though. B is a problem not in itself but because of C. For that reason I would suggest Christian saints only to be diffused by century and no longer by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think your last suggestion is a rather useful one. (Although the earliest people later canonised as saints often have unclear lifespans; I'm thinking about Alban of Mainz, for example). Even if C weren't a problem, saints and nationality are still a contestable intersection as long as nationality is WP:NONDEFINING with regards to sainthood. The very nature of Christianity as a missionary religion with universal aspirations (that is, it seeks to convert all humanity, not just all members of the tribe / ethnicity / country / polity etc. it originated in) makes it arguably "internationalist", and nationality an irrelevant, modern invention. For navigational purposes we might have been pragmatic if "national" borders had been stable for the past 2000+ years (B), but they haven't (C), so... NLeeuw (talk) 06:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Part of Category:Christian saints by nationality, a large category tree. May not always be strictly accurate, but modern nationalities are commonly used for saints (i.e. they are especially venerated in the current countries from whose territory they originated). Categorisation of saints is clearly useful and it would not be advantageous to Wikipedia if we decided for NPOV reasons that saints weren't saints, as that is generally why they are notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The size of a category tree is irrelevant if the tree itself is inappropriate to Wikipedia standards. It just means we need to be careful when dismantling or reorganising it.
- As explained above, less than 1% of Czechs seems to venerate Jan Hus as a saint. (Nominally, there are probably more Greeks and Cypriots who do than Czechs). His main notability stems from the fact that the Hussite Wars are named after him (as his religious teachings ideologically influenced the conflict), not that a fringe church in the 20th or 21st century canonised him as a saint.
- Categorisation of saints may be useful, but categorisation by what? E.g. we could categorise them by their favourite colour or their astrological sign, but those wouldn't be useful. Categories need to be WP:DEFINING.
- As explained above, sainthood is always a POV. Some points of view are worth noting, but others are WP:UNDUE. Wikipedia is not in the business of extensively documenting the beliefs of very small religious, political or other groups with near-zero cultural impact. NLeeuw (talk) 12:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  PS: The last point is related to WP:COATRACK#Some Famous Dude Did It so It Must Be Good. NLeeuw (talk) 12:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete primordialism is not a point of view that is widely accepted in the nationality studies field. Wikipedia should certainly not take it for granted with ill advised categories that project the current state of the Czech Republic beyond the 19th century nationalist movement into the medieval past, when modern nationality just didn't exist. "Saints from Bohemia" would be OK but non-defining, for the reasons explained above. (t · c) buidhe 01:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting to Category:Saints from Bohemia and Category:Czechoslovak saints is a good intermediate solution though, until other nationalities are discussed too. But then we should do that for the Roman Catholic subcategory too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy with that. But what's wrong with Category:Bohemian saints? I don't think they're likely to be confused with the other meaning of "Bohemian"!- Necrothesp (talk) 10:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia tries to keep category names consistent so, for example, Category:Georgian saints was moved to Category:Saints of Georgia (country) by CFDS. TSventon (talk) 11:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consistent with what, given pretty much every other Category:Christian saints by nationality category is "Fooian saints"? Things don't have to be completely consistent if the meaning is obvious (most other Category:People from Bohemia by occupation categories could refer to the other meaning; saints not so much!). -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consistent with other "from Bohemia" categories, and also e.g. with "from Georgia (country)" categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Comment I have taken a closer look at the interview with the archbishop of Prague about Jan Hus, and it seems that even the Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia has not yet canonised Jan Hus and his follower Jerome of Prague as "saints" or "martyrs". There is only lobbying going on for them to be canonised at some point in the future, which the archbishop supports. The interviewer asks: Jan Hus and Jerome of Prague died a martyr's death for Christ's truth. Their memory lives on not only in Czechia. Your Beatitude, why have they not been canonized as saints? The archbishop gives various reasons why they haven't yet been, and then gives various reasons why they should be: ...Jan Hus and Jerome of Prague, died for the undistorted faith, for the pure faith of Christ—that is, for Orthodoxy. Therefore we are completely justified in canonizing them as saints. This has already been confirmed by the Church of Cyprus and the Greek Church. Other Orthodox Churches also support us. The penultimate sentence there is ambiguous: it could be read as that the Church of Cyprus and Greek Church have already canonised Hus and Prague as saints, or it could merely be a formal expression of support for the idea to canonise them as saints. This seems to be the core of the misunderstanding that Hus and Prague are already saints in those Orthodox Churches (which until now I also thought), but the interviewer's question indicates otherwise. (Incidentally, the archbishop saying that Hus and Prague died for "Orthodoxy" is his personal interpretation; some Protestant theologians may say they died for "proto-Protestantism", see below).

Second, I did find that there is some historical evidence that the Utraquists in the 16th century believed, described and praised them as saints, but they existed when there was no Czech Republic yet, and now that there is the Utraquists no longer exist. They were also a completely different denomination that is usually considered Protestant or "Proto-Protestant". Category:Hussite martyrs is a child of Category:15th-century proto-Protestant martyrs, which I find to be quite WP:SUBJECTIVECAT as well. I think this a good demonstration of how arbitrary and messy thus sainthood stuff can get, especially when we mix it up with nationality rather than by denomination (which is already messy enough). NLeeuw (talk) 13:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Crafts deities

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 21#Category:Crafts deities

Category:Meitei Brahmins

The result of the discussion was: procedural keep. The nominator is welcome to start a broader discussion on the matter (and I'm happy to help with mass noms if need be). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Meitei Brahmins to Category:Brahmins of Manipur

Nominator's rationale: Categories are identical PepperBeast (talk) 04:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this specifically apply to Brahmins and not to other categories in the tree of Category:Meitei people? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No particular reason- it's just the one I spotted. PepperBeast (talk) 11:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer to have this discussed in broader context. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. PepperBeast (talk) 01:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Shumang Kumhei

The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Shumang Kumhei (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Tiny category of just two articles (that are mutually linked). PepperBeast (talk) 04:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Merge to parent categories per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Meitei script

The result of the discussion was: purge. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Meitei script (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Grab-bag of stuff defined by some use of a particular writing system... WP:TRIVIALCAT PepperBeast (talk) 04:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Purge rather than delete, for example Meetei Mayek (Unicode block) clearly belongs here. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Purge or delete?
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Purge, like Marcocapelle says. Meetei Mayek (Unicode block), Meetei Mayek Extensions, Meitei input methods, Meitei inscriptions, and Meitei script all belong here, and some of the other contents might, too. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 02:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Non-binary people by sexual orientation

The result of the discussion was: rename. No consensus on deletion. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 19:48, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Asexual non-binary people to Category:Non-binary asexual people
Propose renaming Category:Bisexual non-binary people to Category:Non-binary bisexual people
Propose renaming Category:Pansexual non-binary people to Category:Non-binary pansexual people

Nominator's rationale: To be similar with Category:Non-binary lesbians and Category:Transgender bisexual people, for example, among others. --MikutoH ^talk! 02:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly delete as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename, and neutral on delete. But if we do delete we ought to manually merge the pages to the respective parents. Mason (talk) 13:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-defining intersection. (t · c) buidhe 01:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
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Comment if this is deleted, make sure the articles are in the relevant non-intersection categories, as Mason says. -sche (talk) 02:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bohemian Baltimore, OwenBlacker, ForsythiaJo, Suonii180, Raladic, Trystan, AlexandraAVX, Brandmeister, and Historyday01: since y'all commented in here, you might be interested in this CdD. If Category:Non-binary lesbians and Category:Intersex lesbians are kept, so should be these. Also, why are these nonmonosexual non-binary trivial intersections but not Category:Bisexual women or Category:Pansexual men? (for @Buidhe and Marcocapelle:) Pretty sure asexuality and multisexuality are mutually/intimately linked with non-binary genders many times. --MikutoH ^talk! 22:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I support renaming the categories you have proposed, as I think it would make it easier for users and readers. I do not support a delete. Historyday01 (talk) 23:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is definitely some linkages, I agree, but as far as I can tell it hasn't made its way into RS yet. Bisexual men & women should be deleted because they are not defining for the individual even if there are specific stereotypes about the intersection of sexuality & gender in those cases. (t · c) buidhe 00:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all to Category:People with non-binary gender identities. I don't see the need for these categories to exist. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, neutral on rename. It's a bit confusing at the moment because of the recent asexual/LGBT re-org that is at CfD elsewhere. But assuming Category:Asexual non-binary people gets returned to be a subcategory of Category:Asexual people, it is a necessary subcategory due to the parent cat being fully diffused by gender (Asexual men, Asexual women, Asexual non-binary people). Without it, a non-binary person that does not identify as a man or a woman could not be categorized as asexual. Same with Category:Bisexual people (Bisexual men, Bisexual women, Bisexual non-binary people). The current name order matches the pattern when viewed from the sexual orientation parent category; the proposed order would match the order when viewed from the non-binary parent category, so that seems to me to be a wash.--Trystan (talk) 02:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Shabbat observant businesses

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Shabbat observant businesses

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Category:Religious extremism by country

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Religious extremism by country to Category:Religious extremism

Nominator's rationale: No need to have a category with a single country in it. This is unhelpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. I suggest a follow-up speedy renaming of the target to Category:Religious fanaticism per WP:C2D. NLeeuw (talk) 00:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Religious police

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Religious police to Category:Vice squads

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 21:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/delete per nom, and because it is a redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The subcategory is already in the target so merge and delete have the same effect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect for traceability, as the subcat uses the name "religious police". – Fayenatic London 10:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Russian Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Russian Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Does not match the main article, Russian invasion of Ukraine and is populated solely by politicians. AusLondonder (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it be merged instead of deleted then? Mason (talk) 01:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merged to which category? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (or merge when there is a suitable target), these aren't military leaders. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Even if we were to rename "Military" to "political", it's arbitrarily put together. These are the presidents of the RF, DNR and LNR, but one might just as well include Lukashenka, the Ayatollah of Iran and Kim Jong-un, or all heads of all federal subjects of the Russian Federation including Kadyrov. NLeeuw (talk) 00:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Universities Canada

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:36, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Universities Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping with Category:Universities in Canada. User:Namiba 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, and just membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category does not match the article, namely Russian invasion of Ukraine. It is also populated solely by one political leader, not a military leader. AusLondonder (talk) 20:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (or merge), this should end the same way as Category:Russian Military leaders of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War further up this page. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mashriqi Jews

The result of the discussion was: partial merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Mashriqi Jews (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mashriqi Jews, the term is rarely used. Another possibility: to upmerge into Category:Mizrahi Jews pr their subcats - Category:North African Jews and Category:West Asian Jews‎. Альдий (talk) 19:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If not kept, I think we should merge, not delete. Mason (talk) 21:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, no need to merge because all content is already part of the tree of Category:Mizrahi Jews. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Partial merge, moving Arabian Jews up into Middle Eastern Jews, and Emirati Jews into that one. – Fayenatic London 12:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Musta'arabi Jews

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Musta'arabi Jews to Category:Arab Jews

Nominator's rationale: Small subcategory. Another possibility: to upmerge directly into Category:Mizrahi Jews. Альдий (talk) 19:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth is no longer a reason to delete a category. Mason (talk) 21:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, it seems to overlap strongly with Category:Jews and Judaism in Syria. The main article may be moved to Category:Arab Jews but the other article does not belong there. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

Category:18th-century American slave owners

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:18th-century American slave owners

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims 1941-49

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims 1941-49 to Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims

Nominator's rationale: Merge as arbcat. Why 1941 to 1949? This distinction seems arbitrary. (If not merged, it should be renamed to Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims in the 1940s) Mason (talk) 03:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:38, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alt Rename to Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims in the 1940s as suggested by nom. Current periodisation seems arbitrary, but decades cats are common practice. NLeeuw (talk) 05:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decades are common practice when there are multiple sibling decade categories, but that is not going to happen in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm I wouldn't be sure about that, but now that I think about it, perhaps a subdivision by century is a viable alternative? NLeeuw (talk) 20:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- At most we can create Category:19th-century anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims and Category:20th-century anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims but it isn't very necessary. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Good point. We could create broader categories for the rest, like "medieval" (622-1500; 4 items) and "early modern Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims" (1500-1800; 4 items). But that is quite meagre, and we still couldn't set it up with Navseasonscat, so I guess Upmerging for now is a better option. NLeeuw (talk) 22:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms. There is no need to differentiate based on religion. Moreover, in many of the cases, the participants were not all Muslims.--User:Namiba 00:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply to User:Namiba: as Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims exists and has not been nominated for merger, that is the right target for now. Of course you may nominate Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms by Muslims for merger as well but that would be a different sort of discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have nominated it above.--User:Namiba 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think Namiba has made a good case for upmerging that category as well. Procedurally, I think it's best if we reach agreement to upmerge this one first, otherwise we'd be trying to upmerge into a category that doesn't exist anymore. NLeeuw (talk) 18:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever is done, get rid of this name. "By Muslims" is simply unacceptable in a category name. Even when the majority of the perpetrators were Muslims, the name implies that their religion was a key factor in the process (rather than politics, economics, etc.). Usually this is either false or unknown. Would we name a cat about things done by Israel with "by Jews"? Zero^talk 04:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion

Propose merging Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Réunion to Category:19th century in Réunion and Category:Roman Catholic churches in Réunion and Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only 4 churches total in Category:Roman Catholic churches in Réunion, so diffusion by century isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the last proposed destination, merge to Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in France instead. Réunion is a département et région d'outre-mer of France. The nominator gotta read more to make responsible nominations. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh... to the closer these are probably the same IP (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked)) Mason (talk) 14:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have mixed feelings about Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in France as an alternative merge target, would certainly not strongly oppose it. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I also have mixed feelings about "in France" Mason (talk) 19:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about, say, Hawaii or Alaska? (Or Malta should integration be achieved back in the 1950s–60s?) 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or Kaliningrad post-1945? 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep so that it may be grouped under an African parent category when there are also such by continent parents. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you create it then of course it is a good merge target too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as stated above; or otherwise the next preferable choice would be merger with Roman catholic church buildings in all other départements et régions d'outre-mer under the same category. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 08:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this category and put it under both the French and the African hierarchy. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an IP user you can vote as many times as you want but don't expect it to be taken seriously by the closer of the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further comments on the final merge target, specifically on whether these churches belong in the "France" category, would be appreciated!
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@Marcocapelle: I don't bother to vote more than once for this. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure you did... Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Hong Kong geography warrior Mason (talk) 22:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to multiple targets including France, and the new Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa. The nominator has added 2 articles in the nominated category to 2 articles in the Reunion parent to make 4, but they are the same 2 articles, so no breakdown of Reunion churches is justified. – Fayenatic London 21:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Re the Africa category, I have added a parent Category:19th-century churches in Africa and retrieved some contents that had been upmerged per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_23#Category:Anglican_cathedrals_by_country. @CanonNi: please expand the hierarchy around these still-isolated categories to other continents and centuries. – Fayenatic London 11:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Sorry but I created the categories from category requests. Try contacting the requester. Thanks. CanonNi (talk) 11:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Fayenatic london: Cool. Would you think it's easier to navigate and clearer to understand from the audience' point of view to have for these buildings in Réunion a subcategory under both the French and the African categories, than a four-way upmerge? 83.229.61.201 (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks for following this – I assume you're the same editor as the requester 59.152.195.28 (talk · contribs). I used to support thin hierarchies with very specific intersections, but in the last few years there have been many precedents at CFD with consensus to merge such cases. So no, I don't recommend creating categories with only one or two members, except where we can reasonably expect that more eligible articles will be created fairly soon. – Fayenatic London 13:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - No I'm not. Given the number of articles in French on Wikipedia about churches in Réunion a lot more articles can reasonably be expected. 83.229.61.201 (talk) 09:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        That's not a criteria for keeping a category. Mason (talk) 13:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Languages used in Doordarshan

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Languages used in Doordarshan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Languages used in Akashvani (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Educational languages in Board of Secondary Education of Assam (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Educational languages in Assam Higher Secondary Education Council (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Advanced MILs in Assam Higher Secondary Education Council (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Formal languages used for Indian scriptures (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. They are simply Indian languages, at most to be diffused by Indian state. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Estonian numismatists

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Estonian numismatists

Category:Burial sites of the House of Yurievichi

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 20:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging Category:Burial sites of the House of Yurievichi to Category:Burial sites of Russian noble families
Propose upmerging Category:Burial sites of the House of Golitsyn to Category:Burial sites of Russian noble families and Category:Burial sites of the Gediminids

Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Upmerge for now. NLeeuw (talk) 11:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge for now, without objection to recreate any of these categories when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Uterus transplant recipients

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Uterus transplant recipients to Category:Organ transplant recipients

Nominator's rationale: small category with only one person in it, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 02:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, the article Uterus transplant discusses a number of known cases and the recipients were apparently not notable by themselves (with one exception). Marcocapelle (talk) 03:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the future, there may be enough notable uterus transplant recipients to make it worthwhile to have a category. When that day comes, I hope someone recreates this category. But right now, with only one person in the category? Merge per nom. -sche (talk) 02:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-feminism

The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed, then rename to Category:Antifeminism. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Anti-feminism to Category:Opposition to feminism

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. (If Anti-feminism is the preferred name, then we should still merge and then rename to preserve the edit history) Mason (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverse merge to Category:Anti-feminism. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Anti-feminism, Opposition to feminism and Criticism of feminism (with its own Category:Criticism of feminism) currently all redirect to Antifeminism. There are evidently nuances to each of these terms, with "Criticism of feminism" being the broadest and "Anti(-)feminism" being the narrowest. I see there have been discussions in the past that criticism of feminism is not anti-feminism per se: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 22#Criticism of feminism concluded that criticism of feminism should redirect to Feminism#Anti-feminism and criticism of feminism. But on 14 April 2023, a newcomer changed the link to Anti-feminism without discussion. I think that undiscussed linkchange should be reverted. (Edit: Done).

Given that, I think we should regard 'antifeminism' and 'opposition to feminism' as synonyms, and a subset of the broader phenomenon of 'criticism of feminism', which is currently (correctly) a parent of Category:Opposition to feminism. The default way to go would be to have Category:Antifeminism as a category per WP:C2D, and merge the other category into it. Pragmatically speaking, I agree with nom that we should preserve the edit history as much as possible, and pick the oldest category as the one to rename, and merge the younger 2 into it. Category:Opposition to feminism was created on 3 November 2019‎, and Category:Anti-feminism on 20 January 2024‎. Therefore, Category:Opposition to feminism should be the merge target.

Therefore, I suggest merging per nom, and afterways a speedy rename to Category:Antifeminism per WP:C2D. (Maybe the second step can be taken in one go during this CfM already?). NLeeuw (talk) 12:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pin-up models

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Pin-up models to Category:Adult models
Propose merging Category:American pin-up models to Category:American adult models
Propose merging Category:British pin-up models to Category:British adult models

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories by a new (to categories) user. Mason (talk) 02:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Were they really adult models? The first article I am reading, Betty Bryant, does not mention anything about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good question. Do you think that just targeted to regular models would be better? I don't think that this is really defining, as it's more of a layout/design/style rather than a type. Mason (talk) 03:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Right, so I am leaning to deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not merge, as WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Many film stars were pinups but not adult models, e.g. Deanna Durbin for a wholesome case in point. – Fayenatic London 12:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Australian women activists

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:20th-century Australian women activists to Category:20th-century Australian women and Category:Australian women activists
Propose merging Category:19th-century Australian women activists to Category:19th-century Australian women and Category:Australian women activists

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. Several CFDs have decided that activists are not diffused by century Mason (talk) 01:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, activist is a modern occupation anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Australian women tennis players

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 06:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merge Category:20th-century Australian women tennis players to Category:20th-century Australian sportswomen and Category:Australian female tennis players

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The norm is to not diffuse by century for specific sports. I already have a speedy rename in for the current parent category (20th-century Australian women athletes) Mason (talk) 01:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15 to 21 days old[edit]

April 9

Category:Works about North Asia

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Works about North Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Films set in North Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:North Asia in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This is a needless category tunnel from Category:Works about Asia > Category:Works about North Asia > Category:Films set in North Asia > that ends up just containing Category:Films set in Russia, which is already in Category:Films set in Asia by country (also already in the Category:Works about Asia tree). Let's eliminate these redundant 2 layers. For the same reason, Category:North Asia in fiction is a useless redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There is nothing else is in North Asia beside Russia. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment historically, that is not true. If the work is about North Asia prior to the Russian conquest, or to an alternative world without Russian control, then, these would make sense. There's quite a lot of fiction about non-Russian North Asias. For instance, in The Years of Rice and Salt, Japan controls North Asia, after China cedes rights to control of it in return for assistance in war against the Caliphate. There's quote a number of Korean, Japanese, Chinese works where Russia is not in control of North Asia -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - That is a fair point. On the other hand there is Category:Works set in Siberia which supposedly covers non-Russian history as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Pretty much all of the territory in Siberia was conquered by the Russian Empire before the invention of motion pictures in the 1880s. So all films produced in Siberia will have been produced in the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union, or the Russian Federation. As Marcocapelle says, if you were to have a film set in the Khanate of Sibir, that would fit in Category:Films set in Siberia, although I do think it then also needs to have Category:Films set in Asia as a parent, which it currently doesn't. Because 65.92.247.66 is right that fictional stories may not be set in Russia if part or all of Siberia is not under Russian control in these stories. NLeeuw (talk) 09:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have added Category:Films set in Asia as a parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. NLeeuw (talk) 18:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If "Category: Xyz Siberia" is the category to use, the "Category: Xyz North Asia" should exist as category redirects. However, Category:Siberia is a subcategory of Category:North Asia; likely because Beringia isn't Siberia, and fiction is set there as well. The missing equivalent category Category:Siberia in Fiction would need to be created, to go along with Category:Films set in Siberia and Category:Works set in Siberia / Category:Works about Siberia -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per convo above.Mason (talk) 23:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century Algerian men

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:18th-century Welsh men (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:21st-century Algerian men (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:20th-century Algerian men (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:20th-century Taiwanese men (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:21st-century Taiwanese men (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation to only have one category in each of these categories. No need to merge because the lone child category in each is already properly parented. Mason (talk) 22:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century Catalan men

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:21st-century Catalan men to Category:21st-century Catalan people

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining under EGRS. Also it needs to be merged because the category creator has been treating it as a diffusing category. Mason (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, trivial intersection with gender. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Anti-Zionist Christians

Category:Christian anti-Zionism

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Christian anti-Zionism

Category:Inactive anime conventions

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Anime and manga conventions. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Inactive anime conventions to ~~Category:Anime conventions~~ Category:Anime and manga conventions

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. The convention isn't yet defunct. Mason (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep. Having an "inactive" category puts the spotlight on conventions that have lapsed. I have seen conventions before which give no official "defunct" message. The only way of telling in these cases is through a stale website. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, that's a useful piece of information, but I don't think that counts as WP:DEFINING. Mason (talk) 14:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see it as a way to make life easier for editors monitoring the convention articles. There really is no net gain by getting rid of it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Merge per nom. With few exceptions, categories do not distinguish between current and former members of any given group. Dimadick (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, there is no need for an intermediate category; just wait and then move to Category:Defunct anime conventions when that status is clear. – Fayenatic London 13:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dutch encyclopedias

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Dutch encyclopedias

Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 18#Category:Bulgarian encyclopedias

Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese version)

The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese version) to Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese language)
Propose renaming Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Malay version) to Category:I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Malay language)
Propose renaming Category:I Can See Your Voice (American TV series) to Category:I Can See Your Voice (American game show)

Nominator's rationale: Included from the mass renamings for the I Can See Your Voice franchise, as per Talk:I Can See Your Voice (Belgian TV series) season 1#Requested move 31 March 2024 (kindly proceed to this discussion first before deliberating). Saisønisse (talk) 07:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Swedish politicians by descent

Nominator's rationale: A. rename per usage of "descent" both in the parent and in the subcategory names. B. purge Category:Jewish Swedish politicians because the latter isn't about their ancestors but about what they are themselves (i.e. it is about ethnicity rather than about descent). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is part of a larger stale speedy nomination in which User:1234qwer1234qwer4, User:Anomalous+0 and User:Smasongarrison participated. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom Mason (talk) 18:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Poets associated with Dundee

The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Poets associated with Dundee to Category:Poets from Dundee

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 04:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manually merge, as it is not applicable to everyone. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, as the creator I am happy to go with consensus, but thought it best to explain the background as to why there are two categories and how they are different and why a merge could be problematic. It all stems from the fact that there are two categories for people connected to to Dundee Category:People from Dundee and Category:People associated with Dundee. The former states "This category is only for people actually born in Dundee. For people who are strongly associated with the city, but not born there, see: Category:People associated with Dundee". As the poets was going to be under the former this presented a problem as some of Dundee's most noted Poets like Mary Brooksbank and William McGonagall were not originally from the city, so under the terms would not fit in the "from Dundee" model. Hence it seemed logical to create a second category that could go under Category:People associated with Dundee. I know there was discussion about merging the people from/associated with categories, but I don't think there was a consensus. If a merger is decided upon then the Poets from Category would need to have its statement changed as none of the people in the poets associated with category would currently be eligible for inclusion. There should probably also then be a decision taken about the future of Category:People from Dundee/Category:People associated with Dundee. Dunarc (talk) 12:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "People from" categories do not always cover the place of birth. We often do cover people who were long-time residents in a populated place. Dimadick (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agree, the statement about birth on these category pages should be removed. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Merge per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. NLeeuw (talk) 18:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Happy to support consensus, but I wonder if there might be one or two whose association with Dundee is not strong enough for a "from" category and therefore should be kept out after a merger. Eg Thomas Hood spent a relatively brief, albeit important, part of his early career in Dundee. Dunarc (talk) 22:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Animation people

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Animation people to Category:People in the animation industry
Propose renaming Category:People in animation by company to Category:People in the animation industry by company
Propose renaming Category:Computer animation people to Category:People in the computer animation industry
Propose renaming Category:Anime people to Category:People in the anime industry

Nominator's rationale: There is a mismatch in structure between Category:People in animation by company and its direct parent Category:Animation people. I propose choosing the "People in ___" structure for all of them to match their common parent Category:People in technology, and specifying animation/anime industry to make it obviously different from Category:Animated characters, as well as matching the form of cousin Category:People in the computer industry and other parents Category:Animation industry and Category:Anime industry.

Annoyedhumanoid (talk) 04:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename, clearer descriptions. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Clearer descriptions. Though I am not certain whether computer animation can counts as its own industry. Dimadick (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nazis in Argentina

The result of the discussion was: containerize. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose containerizing Category:Nazis in Argentina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose containerizing Category:Nazis in Spain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Should be containerized like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_27#Category:Nazis_in_the_United_States Mason (talk) 02:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Containerize per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Irish people of Antigua and Barbuda descent

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Irish people of Antigua and Barbuda descent to Category:Irish people of Caribbean descent

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT tailor-made for one member. Categories are not "interesting fact tags". But, mentioning facts, consider also: no mention of Antigua and Barbuda in the only member article and the cited source only says: “Mam” is Canadian-Irish and his father is from the Caribbean. —Alalch E. 11:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I generally oppose merging these, added a ref that specifically points out Antigua.--Ortizesp (talk) 11:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The latter is a good point, I added the article to Category:Sportspeople of Antigua and Barbuda descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One member as of relisting.
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Oppose. Part of a longstanding category tree. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Klingon-language operas

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging Category:Klingon-language operas to Category:Klingon language

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now without prejudice. Unlikely that this category will be filled with lots of articles any time soon, but we'll see. (Already in Category:Operas). NLeeuw (talk) 13:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – (After Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 4#Category:Klingon-language operas and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 August 27#Category:Klingon-language operas, this is the 3rd nomination.) Every opera is categorized by language, a defining characteristic. This category is part of the established Category:Operas by language. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. The article is already in several opera categories so a second merge target is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I was going to vote merge on this because past discussion consensus to keep was based on WP:SMALLCAT which has been deprecated. However, operas are always sorted and defined by language in academic literature and professional study (there's different schools and traditions of opera around each language). Language is therefore a WP:DEFCAT of this topic area, and there is really no way around that. It doesn't meet any of the criteria for Wikipedia:Overcategorization, and it does meet DEFCAT so its a clear keep.4meter4 (talk) 15:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Cheese and Pasta

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Pasta dishes and eat. (non-admin closure) Queen of ♡ | speak 23:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Cheese and Pasta to Category:Cheese and pasta

Nominator's rationale: Can this be renamed to "Cheese and pasta" with a lowercase "p" in the word "pasta" per naming convention policy Tinton5 (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per WP:C2A. NLeeuw (talk) 00:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy rename per C2A. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 00:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Pasta dishes, cheese is too often added to pasta to make this discriminatory. If kept, alt rename to Category:Cheese and pasta dishes per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per marco, not very defining Mason (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or rename?
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I vote we Eat both! :D^[Joke] NLeeuw (talk) 00:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Pasta dishes, and selective merge to Category:Cheese dishes. – Fayenatic London 12:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Gaza Strip in the Israel–Hamas war. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:38, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming : Category:Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war to Category:Gaza Strip in the Israel–Hamas war as similar to Category:Gaza City in the Israel–Hamas war, Category:Rafah in the Israel–Hamas war
Support for consistency, or else rename the other two to "during". In itself I do not have a preference between "in" and "during". Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominated. "In" seems to be standard within subcats of Wars by location, e.g. within Russian Civil War by location or Syrian civil war by city. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 8

Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány

The result of the discussion was: delete. Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán can be discussed separately, if one wishes to pursue that. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not sure why we even have this, it seems to be an extension of the POV issues plaguing Mr. Gyurcsány here and it also seems to curiously exclude Fizdez, his primary opposition. Allan Nonymous (talk) 22:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, we do not have an opposition category for every separate government. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Some of the political parties listed here have nearly 40 years of history. Some of the members were probably not even alive during Gyurcsány's term in office. Not a useful categorization for parties. Dimadick (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, but... should we then also delete Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán? Both categories were created last year and seem to serve a similar purpose. NLeeuw (talk) 19:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Allan Nonymous what do you think as nom? You might not have seen this. There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. Technically speaking, Gyurcsány has been in "opposition" to Orbán since 2010, and since 2022 the opposition leader, so if we mean formal parliamentary opposition, the scope of the Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány should be limited to 2004 to 2009, while Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán could be scoped to 1998-2002 and 2010-present. Then again, maybe we should call it "Opposition to the Orban Government(s)" or something instead of "to Viktor Orbán" personally. NLeeuw (talk) 07:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel there is a case for having the Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán without this article, given the fact that Orban has had a much bigger impact on Hungary, but more to the point, that is a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a fair point I can agree with. As I said, There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. I'm not saying we should treat them equally (Orban is in a much more authoritarian position than Gyurcsány ever was), but I do think we should compare the two categories, and then make a decision. NLeeuw (talk) 20:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Native American characters in video games

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Native American characters in video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Effectively duplicative with the older Category:Video games featuring Native American protagonists‎, and most of the entries are video games, not characters. Delete without merging down. -- ferret (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as duplicative, as nom states. Nothing lost in deletion anyways, as there were many instances of the newer version being wrongly or poorly implemented anyways. (Many DEFINING violations.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there's a difference between these two categories. "characters in video games" are notable characters in the game while "protagonists‎" are lead characters. By comparison, there is a category called "Category:Black characters in video games" and also Category:Video games featuring black protagonists. Native American characters in video games are a lot rarer and deserve categories to help people find them, raise awareness and for research. Artanisen (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that's just it. How often is a game's non-protagonist side character's race going to be an DEFINING trait of a game on a whole? And as ferret notes, it doesn't make sense that your category is framed as about characters but was mostly applied to video game articles, not character articles. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that in some games the Native American character plays a (very) minor role, while in others they are an important part of the story and gaming experience. If their role is too minor then they can be removed from the category. For example in the Red Dead Redemption games and Red Dead Revolver, the Native American characters play a significant role in the storyline, but they aren't protagonists. As in defining, well the interaction between the cowboys and Native Americans is an essential part of the main story and activities. -Artanisen (talk) 22:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The counter-argument categories are populated with characters. This one is populated with video games, except for one (Nightwolf), who is in the duplicative category already. -- ferret (talk) 23:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I put Nightwolf in "Native American characters in video games", because he's an important character in Mortal Kombat, but not a protagonist. Other characters are described in the articles of the video games. If necessary more information can be added about the characters. This game Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, the title of the game "Guardian of Light" refers to the Mayan warrior named Totec. Totec is playable in cooperative play. So Totec is one of the most important characters in this game together with Lara Croft. In Shadow Hearts: From the New World, the protagonist is Johnny Garland, while Shania is his female counterpart. Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead Redemption 2, each have a couple of important native American characters. Without these characters the story wouldn't work. - Artanisen (talk) 09:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, if it is not about a protagonist then it is nor a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - when I first read this category title, I thought it was for Native American characters who debuted in video games, not for video games with Native American characters. Maybe the category could just be redefined. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but I believe that the necessary reworking would pretty much lead us to the category ferret noted already exists. Sergecross73 msg me 15:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Note that Category:Fictional Native American people in video games already exists for categorizing characters (not necessarily the games they are part of), although note hatnote that this category is for A) American Indians in the United States, and B) Is not for fictional characters merely "coded" with some American Indian attributes. I suspect that this category might be a better use of what the category creator intended. SnowFire (talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Category:Fictional Native American people in video games has a lot of overlap with this category. Usually the term "character" is used for video game characters instead of "Fictional people". Native American usually refers to indigenous people from the USA. It could also be used as a broader term for indigenous people from the Americas (North, Central and South America). - Artanisen (talk) 17:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This shows further duplication with existing categories that can (and do) serve this purpose. -- ferret (talk) 13:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge this category into Category:Fictional Native American people in video games. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On a somewhat related subject, I think we should also discuss proposing a merger of Category:Fictional Native American women into Category:Fictional Native American people (for the same reasons that the former category Category:Fictional Jewish women was merged into Category:Fictional Jews). AHI-3000 (talk) 17:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations

Category:Feminist historians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Feminist historians

Category:Feminist philosophers

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Feminist philosophers to Category:Scholars of feminist philosophy

Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist philosophy rather than a category of philosophers who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:International Booker Prize winners

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:International Booker Prize winners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Feminist theologians

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Feminist theologians to Category:Scholars of feminist theology

Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist theology rather than a category of theologians who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Fellowship

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Prize for Translation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Golden Jubilee Award (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF, WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with identity politics

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:People associated with identity politics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, largely overlaps with the much better expanded tree of Category:Activists, which contains among others Category:Activists by ethnicity. It is also a matter of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. It's also typically an accusation against an opponent, which is usually denied. Few people will proudly advocate for identity politics themselves. So per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT it should also be deleted. NLeeuw (talk) 10:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Odisha Sahitya Akademi

The result of the discussion was: delete. I will manually recategorize Odisha Sahitya Akademi. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Odisha Sahitya Akademi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category contains only one item. PepperBeast (talk) 20:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom but add the article to the parent categories manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Israel Prize in translation recipients

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 20:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Israel Prize in translation recipients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category contains only one article PepperBeast (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete also per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education

Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award

Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa

The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa to Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings
Propose merging Category:17th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa to Category:17th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by country

Nominator's rationale: There's not enough content to justify this level of diffusion. Please be aware that the IP making all of these requests is being extremely disruptive on CFD. And is evading their block Mason (talk) 15:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With eight and six articles respectively (and more to come) would you consider differently? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Define what's "not enough content". There are many churches in the oldest former colonies which date back to the 17th or 16th century. Meanwhile @Samasongarrison please clarify your point about IP being disruptive. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To the closer, the ip is most likely: WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LTAHKGW? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Considering the current content of the categories, I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair, especially now that there's content. Mason (talk) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau

Infrastructure

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Infrastructure

Category:French forts in the United States

Propose renaming Category:French forts in the United States to Category:French forts in New France

Nominator's rationale: This seems anachronistic. These forts were not "in the United States" when they were built and only became so later on. User:Namiba 02:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom, or perhaps simply Category:Forts in New France. Category:French forts in Canada may be nominated as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- - Comment if these forts still existed at the time Canada was established, then the category is correct. And there was also the colony of Canada, New France and colony of United Canadas, British North America -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if these forts still existed at the time that the USA took over the territory, then they are correct. Such as many forts acquired in the Louisiana Purchase. Or any ruins/museums that still exist today -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After the United States took them over they were no longer "French forts" and, as American forts, the articles are already in e.g. Category:Colonial forts in Tennessee. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not only a proposed renaming but also an extension of scope; forts in New France that were not in provinces which became the United States will be covered as a result. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is perfectly fine. New France has never been divided in an American and a Canadian part. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Comment: To the closer: the IPs are all are probably the same IP (see: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked), and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/185.104.63.112)

Mason (talk) 19:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I think some people aren't reading closely what this category is meant to group, namely: List of French forts in North America which still exist today, but further subgrouped into Canada and the United States. Which country or colony or state or polity or empire or republic etc. they were part of at the time of their construction is not the point of the "United States" part of the category name. If we're really pedantic about it, this category is about Category:Forts constructed by the Kingdom of France in its New France colony in North America which still exist today on the territory of the United States of America despite being constructed before that territory became U.S. territory. But that's a little long, so I think the current name Category:French forts in the United States is fine. NLeeuw (talk) 14:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: An Alt Rename might be Category:Former French forts in the United States or Category:French-built forts in the United States, but I think that requires renaming the underlying main article List of French forts in North America first. NLeeuw (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Comment I have initiated a Requested move at Talk:Architecture of the United States#Requested move 16 April 2024, which is directly relevant to our discussions here. You might want to participate in it. It could resolve the question, especially the example of Category:Colonial architecture in the United States, as we might regard French forts in the United States as an example of "French colonial architecture in the United States". We've already got Category:British colonial architecture in the United States and Category:Spanish Colonial architecture in the United States. NLeeuw (talk) 06:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rathores

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Rathore (clan). (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Rathores (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, Rathore is not a defining characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep, cleanup, possibly rename. Looks defining for many pages in it. - Altenmann >talk 14:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Altenmann: rename to what exactly? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Marcocapelle: Category:Rathore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), just like Category:Bargujar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), because it is not about individual persons who happen to be Rathors, but about articles related to the clan. - Altenmann >talk 20:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If kept, support rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename to Category:Rathore (clan) following the lead article Rathore (clan). – Fayenatic London 14:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is even better. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:.io video games

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:.io video games

Medical schools in the Caribbean

Propose merging Category:Schools of medicine in Bonaire to ~~Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands, Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean~~ Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean, Category:Health in Bonaire and Category:Universities and colleges in Bonaire
Propose merging Category:Schools of medicine in Saba (island) to ~~Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands, Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean~~ Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean, Category:Health in Saba (island) and Category:Universities and colleges in Saba (island)
Propose merging Category:Schools of medicine in Sint Maarten to ~~Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands, Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean~~ Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean, Category:Health in Sint Maarten and Category:Universities and colleges in Sint Maarten
Propose renaming Category:Schools of medicine in Curaçao to Category:Medical schools in Curaçao

Nominator's rationale: Merge categories with only one or two members to all parents. Rename the last WP:C2C. – Fayenatic London 08:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom Mason (talk) 13:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Sint Maarten and Curaçao are not part of the Netherlands. For the BES islands merge the categories to one named Caribbean Netherlands instead so that they are subcategorized under both the Netherlands and the Caribbean categories. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, I see – Sint Maarten and Curaçao are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands but not part of the Netherlands. I included the Netherlands target in the nomination because that is currently a parent in each case. Looking for categories using "Caribbean Netherlands", I only found Category:History of the Caribbean Netherlands. What we do have is Category:Dutch Caribbean including Universities and colleges in the Dutch Caribbean, so that is indeed a better home for these. I have amended the nomination accordingly, to merge into a new Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 10:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment: Medical schools in the Caribbean is much more useful than the Dutch Caribbean. Mason (talk) 13:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  As there is a fairly full hierarchy for Dutch Caribbean, I see no reason not to add one more, which will belong in Medical schools in the Caribbean and Medical schools in the Netherlands as well as Health in the Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 17:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fayenatic london: It doesn't sound nice to lump together the BES islands with those of the CAS islands. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When you use terms that may not be common knowledge, please link them, e.g. BES islands and CAS islands.

Sorry if IYHO it doesn't sound nice to use Dutch Caribbean, but setting up a separate sub-hierarchy for Caribbean Netherlands would require many perpetually small categories. The best hierarchy we have is Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 17:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fayenatic london: IP has a point this time, Dutch Caribbean is a non-existent polity. It is merely a legacy term after the Dutch Antilles were dissolved. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm no expert on the history or current politics, I'm just looking at how our categories are structured at the moment. Would you support a split of the whole Dutch Caribbean hierarchy? If so, I suggest you make a nomination to split some representative categories at the top levels. But until that has happened, the tiny sub-topic of medical schools should follow the existing hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 21:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Well at least I still support merging, even if one of the merge targets (Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean versus Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean) is disputable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Category:Medical schools in Sint Maarten and keep it under Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools by country (along with Category:Medical schools in Curaçao and Category:Medical schools in Aruba). Group medical schools of the BES islands under Caribbean Netherlands and keep them under both Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 16:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, Carribean Netherlands is equally non-existant as Dutch Carribean. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure what you mean by that. Fix the spelling and Caribbean Netherlands (mnemonic: it's named after the Carib people) comprises the BES islands.
- I have since found that the latter does have a bare category, Category:Caribbean special municipalities of the Netherlands, so I have put its history category within it.
- Just as obiter dicta, what should be done with Category:Dutch Caribbean? Split/rename the whole hierarchy to "Kingdom of the Netherlands" (including Curacao, Aruba, Sint Maarten) and "Caribbean Netherlands" for BES? After that, Dutch Caribbean could be disambiguated between Caribbean Netherlands and the historical Islands of the Netherlands Antilles. – Fayenatic London 11:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are right about my spelling mistake and, more importantly, right about the way to solve this problem more generally. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just as obiter dictum, should Category:Dutch Caribbean be kept just to hold a small number of subcategories and topics that are common to both BES and CAS (or ABC and SSS)? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's "non-existence" yet it's a good collective term to refer to these special municipalities altogether. It's somehow like referring to an additional province although they aren't. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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A category for medical schools in the Caribbean Netherlands would be too small, as there are only 2 members in the current cats for Bonaire and Saba. If there is no consensus to merging to the intermediate level Dutch Caribbean, then revert to my original merge proposal, but omit the Netherlands category in the case of Sint Maarten. – Fayenatic London 15:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent

The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent to Category:People with acquired Hungarian citizenship

Nominator's rationale: Manual purge/merge per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17#Category:Citizens through descent. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Purge and merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:USA for Africa songs

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:USA for Africa songs

Category:Taxa named by Baron Cajetan von Felder

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Taxa named by Baron Cajetan von Felder to Category:Taxa named by Cajetan von Felder

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories – "baron" is a mere title. Micromesistius (talk) 11:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish nobility

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Jewish nobility

Category:Volodimerovichi family

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Volodimerovichi family

Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)

Category:Gender incongruence

The result of the discussion was: disperse. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Gender incongruence to Category:Transgender and medicine

Nominator's rationale: Merge to Transgender and medicine. This category is a based on the ICD-11 equivalent of Gender dysphoria, and is a odd carve out of the parent category. If not merged, I think it should be renamed to Gender dysphoria because the bulk of the actual contents are about dysphoria, not incongruence. Mason (talk) 00:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disperse, the category contains an odd mix of transgender-related and non-transgender-related articles and redirects. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge for now per nom. It is indeed an odd mixture. As nom says, gender incongruence is a redirect to a section in ICD-11, where it is called a synonym of gender dysphoria, but the article causes of gender incongruence claims it is the cause of gender dysphoria. At any rate, it's irregular to have a "causes of X" article if there is no main article of the same name. It also supports upmerging to a category where at least the article gender dysphoria itself can be found. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at least purge Transvestic fetishism and Dual-role transvestism before merging because they are clearly not about transgender. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. NLeeuw (talk) 13:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disperse per Marcocapelle. -sche (talk) 02:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 7

Category:People with acquired Guyanese citizenship

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:People with acquired Guyanese citizenship (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I don't think any of the articles in this category actually belong here. They all appear to be birthright citizens (per Guyanese nationality law#Acquiring Guyanese nationality, having a parent with Guyanese citizenship is enough for citizenship regardless of one's place of birth). Upmerging is not needed, because they are all already in subcategories of Category:Guyanese people. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Political posters of Italy

The result of the discussion was: dual merge. – Fayenatic London 12:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Political posters of Italy to Category:Political posters of Europe

Nominator's rationale: Contains only a single non-free file. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 11:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As it is, it's a convenient way to tie it into both European posters and the politics of Italy. It's the politics of Italy that's the much stronger connection. Admittedly it's near-empty, because we generally avoid hosting media on WP, but it's also a good tie to Commons, where we have many more items. I don't see any advantage to this merge, other than a rather pointless nod to SMALLCAT. It also singles out Italy (or is the plan, as usual, to remove all countries here, one by one?) when the other countries have very few images in their similar categories. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:51, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it should be a dual merge then, also to Category:Images of Italy. The number of images of political posters by country is so small that they can all be merged together indeed. Category:Political posters of Scandinavia is a good example of subcategorization "just because you can". Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge. The category isn't helpful with only a page in it. Mason (talk) 00:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aphex Twin songs

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 15#Category:Aphex Twin songs

Category:Non-binary lesbians

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 15#Category:Non-binary lesbians

Category:11th-century Indian medical doctors

The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated, with the exception of merging to Category:Indian medical doctors in place of Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:11th-century Indian medical doctors to Category:11th-century physicians and Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors and Category:11th-century Indian people
Propose merging Category:7th-century Indian medical doctorsto Category:7th-century physicians and Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors and Category:7th-century Indian people
Propose merging Category:8th-century Indian medical doctors to Category:8th-century physicians and Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors and Category:8th-century Indian people

Nominator's rationale: There are only a handful of Medieval medical doctors from India. I think we should upmerge for now until there's a critical mass Mason (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support most of it per nom, but rather than creating Category:Medieval Indian medical doctors with only two articles I would rather merge to Category:Indian medical doctors. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Indian in "Indian people" may or may not be associated the modern Republic of India. 185.104.63.112 (talk) 20:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand that point you are trying to make. No one is saying these doctors are from the modern Republic of India. Mason (talk) 21:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian people by century feeds ultimately to Category:Indian people and thereupon Category:India (and not any other modern-day successors). Are these physicians Indian if we are to equate India with the ROI? 185.104.63.112 (talk) 21:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so I think I now understand what's happening with your dispute over Hong Kong versus China. That's not how nationality works for nesting. So there's no built-in assumption with categories that people nested in India are necessarily citizens of the modern nation of India. Mason (talk) 21:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nomination and change Indian to South Asian. 121.202.28.169 (talk) 11:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: To the closer: the IPs are all are probably the same IP (see: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:185.104.63.112_reported_by_User:Smasongarrison_(Result:_Blocked), and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/185.104.63.112) Mason (talk) 23:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 17:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming Indian to South Asian would require a broader discussion. The current nomination is about a much smaller issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like one of the entries is about a doctor who was Bengali. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? All Bengali people were Indian people until 1947. It is not a mistake that Chakrapani Datta is currently in Category:11th-century Indian people. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 20:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with the alternative target. Mason (talk) 21:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional characters by political orientation

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 15#Category:Fictional characters by political orientation

Category:Indian scientific authors

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:Indian scientific authors to Category:Indian science writers and Category:Indian academics

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection dual upmerge; the category description is part of the job of being an academic. The description says says: "Indian scientists who contribute their scientific publications, among others in scientific journals and magazines, in biology, chemistry and physics, and so on. authors who write scientific books etc, may be categorized in the related scientific fields at Category:Indian science writers." Mason (talk) 19:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete, articles are already in more specific academics categories if applicable and ought to be in Category:Indian science writers if that is applicable. If anyone wants to volunteer to check more than 400 articles manually in order to find very few articles that aren't properly categorized yet then by all means, but I don't think we should make that a requirement. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Delete is fine with me. Mason (talk) 00:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Welsh bisexual people by occupation

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Welsh bisexual people by occupation to Category:Welsh bisexual people

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one (underpopulated) occupation in here, which is not helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 19:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:War criminals by nationality

The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:34, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:War criminals by nationality to Category:People convicted of war crimes by nationality
Propose merging Category:Liberian war criminals to Category:Liberian people convicted of war crimes

Nominator's rationale: These are the same thing. Am I missing something? If I'm not, I'm happy to add the rest of the categories to the list. Mason (talk) 18:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. These categories are meant for war criminals who were never formally convicted of war crimes. It exists for the same reason why Category:War criminals is seperate from Category:People convicted of war crimes. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per AHI. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Smasongarrison: are you okay with keeping, or do you still support merging? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Im ok with keeping. Mason (talk) 01:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBT asexual people

The result of the discussion was: delete/merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 18:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:LGBT aromantic people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:LGBT asexual women to Category:Asexual women
Propose merging Category:LGBT demisexual people to Category:Demisexual people and Category:Asexual people
Propose merging Category:Asexual gay men to Category:Gay men and Category:Asexual men
Propose merging Category:LGBT asexual men to Category:Asexual men
Propose merging Category:LGBT asexual people to Category:Asexual people

Nominator's rationale: Redundant, as all intersex people are LGBT. Editor has been warned about their alternative definition of LGBTQI+ User talk:Bohemian Baltimore#Category:Pansexual women#Aromanticism and Asexuality are the A of LGBTQIA+ and Intersex is the I and is inherently an LGBTQIA+ identity. (Also for the emtied categories, I've nominated them to make it clear that the category shouldn't be recreated Mason (talk) 18:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support a merger as well. The fact these were created WITHOUT much discussion is deeply unfortunate and needs to be reversed. I would also say that the said user needs to be warned. Historyday01 (talk) 02:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison No, they aren't. There are plenty of asexuals who identify also as lesbian, gay, bi, or transgender. There are plenty of asexuals who identify as cis and heteroromantic / straight. Wikipedia should not erase queer asexuals. Being both queer and asexuals is a non-trivial intersection, a minority within a minority. There's a reason that terms like homoromantic and biromantic are used in the asexual community; because asexuals queers exist. Likewise, it is flat out false that all intersex people are LGBT. There are plenty of intersex people who identify as cisgender heterosexuals. Being both intersex and LGBT is likewise a meaningful and defining intersection of two oppressed identities. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - As proposed (disclosure, I was the user that warned them about their misinformed interpretation of LGBTQIA+ at User talk:Bohemian Baltimore#Aromanticism and Asexuality are the A of LGBTQIA+ and Intersex is the I and is inherently an LGBTQIA+ identity and manually emptied the LGBT aromantic people category aready). Raladic (talk) 19:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, but do not merge to Category:Gay men because articles are already in the tree of Category:Gay men by nationality and/or by occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seconding this. I've gone through and checked, and all the members of the "Asexual gay men" category are already in other branches of the "Gay men" category tree, so they only need to be merged to "Asexual men" ForsythiaJo (talk) 20:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep asexual gay men, merge the rest, per Marco. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is "Keep asexual gay men" in line with what Marco says? A triple intersection like this is a tough sell under EGRS. Mason (talk) 00:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep is not in line with what I said. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I misread and confused with another commenter in the intersex thread saying "...with exception of...". Anyways it's not a triple intersection essentially, since both identities can complement each other. --MikutoH ^talk! 00:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. ForsythiaJo (talk) 20:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, already covered by LGBTQIA terminology and shouldn't be othered in the category trees. Suonii180 (talk) 23:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I strongly oppose the erasure of asexual and intersex people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender and the subsequent eradication of any categories that mention LGBT intersex and asexual people. Being both LGBT and intersex or LGBT and asexual is a relevant and defining intersection of two oppressed groups, a minority within a minority. Likewise, there are many intersex people who identify as cis/hetero or straight and many asexuals who identify as cis/heteroromantic or straight. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your error stems from the misunderstanding that is how we consider LGBT as encompassng all parts of the LGBTQIA+ umbrella per current Wikipedia consensus. It just hasn't been renamed because consensus for what to rename it to (LGBT vs LGBTQ vs LGBTQ+ and so on) has been difficult (you can find a whole lot of history of rename discussions at LGBT.

Since Asexual, Aromantic and and Intersex are inherently part of that community umbrella, it is redundant to say that someone who is Asexual is also LGBTQIA+ with a different category, hence the categories you created misrepresent this and imply that they were not already part of the umbrella by othering them out. Raladic (talk) 14:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per nom assuming the nominator meant to say "asexual" and not "intersex" (AFAICT all of the categories listed above are about "asexual", not "intersex"); in any case, I support ditching the weird "LGBT asexual" categories (either merging them per nom, or just removing them if the articles are already better categorized in other ways as Marcocapelle suggests). -sche (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Category:LGBT aromantic people was an empty category due to be deleted on Sunday. Why did you make it part of this CFD discussion when it was already going to be deleted? Did you not see the CSD tag on the page? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Intersex transgender people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Intersex transgender people

Category:Wikipedians by sexuality

The result of the discussion was: merge. There is consensus that this category should not exist, but there is no consensus on whether Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎ should be in the merge target (Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians). Because that is a concern more suited to the talk page than a full-blown CfD, further discussion on the categorization of Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎ can take place at Category talk:Category:Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label‎. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Wikipedians by sexuality to Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians

Nominator's rationale: This seems unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 17:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Raladic (talk) 19:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:OVERLAPCAT but purge the last subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose People who "who reject a sexual preference label" are very explicitly not defining themselves as LGBT, so that subcat doesn't belong in the LGBT category. Second, not all asexuals identify as L, G, B or T. Plenty of asexuals are cisgender and identify as straight or heteroromantic. Erasing queer asexuals is homophobic and transphobic. Being both queer and asexual is a relevant intersection. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the above comment by Raladic "LGBT [i]s encompassng all parts of the LGBTQIA+ umbrella per current Wikipedia consensus." No one is erasing queer people or asexual people with these categories. As a queer person, I appreciate your concern about representation. However, I think calling the current category homophobic and transphobic is missing the point. Mason (talk) 18:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison We could avoid the debate over whether all asexuals and all intersex people are LGBT by merging the LGBT asexuals and LGBT intersex people categories, but keeping the categories for people who specifically identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. As a non-heterosexual and non-cisgender member of the LGBTQ community, representation is indeed my concern. Thank you. Although, wouldn't people who reject a label by definition also be rejecting an LGBT label? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 22:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand what you're trying to get at with your rhetorical questions. Mason (talk) 22:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison There's a single question. Why should people who reject a label be labeled as LGBT, per your baffling insistence that no label = LGBT? That doesn't add up. That doesn't make sense. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 22:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose a merger, but would be fine with simply deleting the "by sexuality" category. I can't support a merger, because the categories, as named, have different scopes, and I'm not talking about the question of whether LGBT includes B, or L, or A, or whatnot, I'm talking about the other category: heterosexuality (for example) is a sexuality, but not (in most cases) "LGBT", so "Wikipedians by sexuality"—as presently named—is scoping itself to somethng broader than "LGBT Wikipedians". However, "Heterosexual Wikipedians" has been deleted for not being related to improving articles, and "Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label" says (for better or worse) that it's only for LGBT-aligned people, so I see that there's nothing but LGBT sexualities to go in the "by sexuality" category, making it useless/redundant to the "LGBT Wikipedians" category, so I am fine with just deleting the "by sexuality" category. -sche (talk) 02:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@-sche: in this case, technically, a merger and a deletion is almost the same, because all subcategories except the last one are already in the target. So deletion in contrast to merge just translates as "don't put Wikipedians who reject a sexual preference label under Category:LGBT+ Wikipedians". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Transgender women by sexual orientation

The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated (in the updated nomination). (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Transgender women by sexual orientation to Category:Transgender women
Propose merging Category:Transgender men by sexual orientation to Category:Transgender men
Propose merging Category:Transgender people by sexual orientation to Category:Transgender people (updated by Mason) on 18:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_2#LGBT_people_by_sexual_orientation_and_nationality Mason (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support this upmerger as proposed. It would be more useful to users this way. Historyday01 (talk) 03:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be more in line with recent CfD outcomes ([1] [2] [3] [4]) to eliminate the newly created Category:Transgender people by sexual orientation rather than merging into it. It's just another unhelpful intermediate category level.--Trystan (talk) 17:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me add that to the nom! @Trystan:Mason (talk) 18:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I support as revised.--Trystan (talk) 18:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Raladic (talk) 19:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, the first two are redundant category layer with only a few subcategories. The last is an odd mix of very unrelated subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, but also reparent subcategories in Category:Transgender people by sexual orientation (as well as transgender lesbians and transgender gay men) to Category:Transgender sexuality as well. Please tag/sort them to be grouped to gether --MikutoH ^talk! 23:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Being gay, lesbian, or bisexual is defining. There's no reason to erase gay/lesbian and bi people within the trans community. Being both queer (sexually) and trans is a double minority. It is relevant and defining, not a trivial intersection. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No one is erasing being both a gender and sexual minority. The merging of the category places both elements on equal footing in the main category rather than isolating each. Mason (talk) 12:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is erased, people can be part of multiple, separate categories as is already the case. Raladic (talk) 14:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Category:Overseas Chinese Presidents

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Category:Category:Overseas Chinese Presidents

Category:Indian massacres

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Indian massacres

Category:Genocidal massacres

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Genocidal massacres (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Appears to be WP:SUBJECTIVECAT - the genocidal massacre article doesn't offer a firm number-based benchmark and it could be rightfully stated that any sizeable massacre is genocidal. As such, that categorization also opens the gates for original research. Brandmeister^talk 14:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. All content is also somewhere else in the tree of Category:Massacres so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 06:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sexism

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 16:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Sexism in Bangladesh‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Bangladesh‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Bolivia‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Bolivia‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Denmark‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Denmark‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in El Salvador‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in El Salvador‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Germany‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Germany‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Honduras‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Honduras‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Kenya‎ (1 C) to Category:Gender in Kenya‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Liberia‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Liberia‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Mexico‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Mexico‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in North Korea‎ (1 P) to Category:Gender in North Korea‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Russia‎ (1 C) to Category:Gender in Russia‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Sri Lanka‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Sri Lanka‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Sudan‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Sudan‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Thailand‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:Gender in Thailand‎
Propose merging Category:Sexism in Tonga‎ (1 P) to Category:Gender in Tonga‎

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one article and one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom, WP:OVERLAPCAT. Brandmeister^talk 14:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 00:29, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Category:Sexism by country in general provides easy navigation for related article per country. Having one article in a cat is not a solid ground for merger or deletion especially as most of these countries in the nom has very low coverage here, which can be improved rather than erased. In general I do not think the merger will improve anything but will limit the reader access to the entries from this countries at Category:Sexism by country FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wollaton Wagonway

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Railway lines opened in 1604 to Category:History of rail transport and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1604
Propose merging Category:Railway lines closed in the 1620s to Category:History of rail transport

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Conservative Judaism in the United Kingdom

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Conservative Judaism in the United Kingdom to Category:Masorti Judaism in the United Kingdom

Nominator's rationale: "Conservative" has a party-political meaning in the United Kingdom and is therefore an inappropriate description for what is known as Masorti Judaism in the UK. For instance, in the bio on Maurice Glasman, Baron Glasman, who is a prominent member of Masorti UK, he should be categorised as a British Conservative Jew, but that doesn't sit easily with him being also a prominent member of the British Labour Party. Headhitter (talk) 09:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. I note that main article Conservative Judaism says Conservative Judaism (known as Masorti Judaism outside North America). The UK is outside North America, so Masorti Judaism makes sense for this catname. NLeeuw (talk) 09:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Eastern European diaspora in the United States

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging Category:Eastern European diaspora in the United States to Category:European diaspora in the United States

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Home-made definition of "Eastern European", ranging from Azerbaijani to Montenegrin to Czech to Estonian; it has no siblings like Category:Western European diaspora in the United States or Category:Southern European diaspora in the United States (it seems that everything except Italy, Greece, Cyprus and Turkey is considered "Eastern European" already). NLeeuw (talk) 09:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -sche (talk) 02:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indo-Bangladesh joint production films

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Indo-Bangladesh joint production films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Recreation at a slightly different name of a category previously deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 21#Category:American-Canadian joint production. Films that are joint productions of more than one country are certainly categorized for each relevant country on its own, but do not get special "X+Y joint production" categories -- since there are close to 200 countries in the world and all of their film industries engage in some degree of multinational coproduction with other countries' film industries, scaling this out to its logical endpoint would require the creation of between 30 to 40 thousand categories for every possible combination of two countries. And then we would have to start catting for three-country, four-country and five-country combos too, which is just an untenable nightmare. Bearcat (talk) 04:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom, and joint production is also a trivial characteristic of a film. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States

Category:Griffith family

The result of the discussion was: just deleted by User:Liz (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Griffith family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category was supposed to be deleted on March 20 and again on April 3. Something's not working. Yours6700 (talk) 01:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Academics of the College of the Resurrection

The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Academics of the College of the Resurrection to Category:Staff of the College of the Resurrection

Nominator's rationale: To match other staff categories in Category:Bible colleges, seminaries and theological colleges in England Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 14:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. But the parent category is Academics by university or college in England. Staff has a *very* different meaning. From looking at the contents, these people are academics. If anything, I think that other categories should be renamed to reflect that these folks are academic staff/faculty. Mason (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Mason. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 12:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I update my vote to oppose. Mason (talk) 18:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:2023 Al Haouz earthquake with no prejudice against speedy renomination for deletion. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake to Category:2023 Al Haouz earthquake

Nominator's rationale: Per main article move. Article's name is now 2023 Al Haouz earthquake. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 12:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, redundant category layer, there is nothing in the category but the main article and the ~~above~~ subcategory. If kept of course rename, then it is a simple matter of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If deleted, it'll leave the subcat as the only one without a main category. But I'm still for renaming. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The subcat still has three other parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:42, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More participation would be very much appreciated :) If there is no further participation by next week, I think a rename (per WP:C2D) with no prejudice against speedy renomination for deletion is the appropriate close.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 00:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename. I think that there's now just enough to support a category, but I don't feel strongly. Mason (talk) 19:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 6

Category:Mohave tribe

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Category:Mohave tribe

Category:WikiProject Film banner templates with categories disabled

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:WikiProject Film banner templates with categories disabled (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Outdated maintenance tracking category no longer populated by the template that formerly used it. Previously, ((WikiProject Film)) had complex coding that created categories for whether each film met various individual class-rating criteria or not, and would populate this category if any or all of those were disabled -- but that's long since been deprecated and removed, so that the template no longer features any code that would add this category, and thus never files anything in it.
So it can always be recreated at a later date if it's ever needed again for some new purpose, but there's no real need for it to sit permanently empty if it isn't actually being used anymore. Bearcat (talk) 19:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sogdian metalworking

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sogdian art. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:Sogdian metalworking to Category:Sogdian art and Category:Metalworking

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 18:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Single merge to Category:Sogdian art after I just added the article to Category:Silver objects, a grandchild category of Category:Metalworking. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tunnels

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Tunnels completed by year unknown to Category:Ancient history of transport
Propose merging Category:Tunnels completed in 1480 to Category:Tunnels completed in the 15th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1480
Propose merging Category:Tunnels completed in 1679 to Category:Tunnels completed in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1679

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from the Manipur Kingdom

The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added the article to Category:People from Manipur. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:People from the Manipur Kingdom (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article. Move the article to Category:People from Manipur. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century Algerian inventors

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:21st-century Algerian inventors to Category:21st-century inventors and Category:Algerian inventors

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There's only one person in the entire Algerian inventors tree Mason (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nobility from Manipur

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Nobility from Manipur (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Complete overlap with Category:Meitei princesses and Category:Princesses of Manipur. PepperBeast (talk) 14:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No objection to recreate the category when some articles about Manipur nobles (beyond royalty) will be available. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Languages with Linglist code

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Category:Languages with Linglist code

Category:Officially used writing systems of India

The result of the discussion was: delete. Noting that the opposition was withdrawn with the edit summary On second thought, restating my earlier contribution reflecting Marcocapelle's remarks. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:24, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Officially used writing systems of India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. It's also basically nonsense. These are the writing systems used to write the schedule 8 languages of India, but they're mostly just conventional scripts, not "Official". PepperBeast (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on administrative grounds.Note for context A recent nomination of the corresponding article ended with no consensus (though the article has since been moved to a more concise title). Pertinent points appear in that discussion. ~~Participants in this discussion ought to read through that discussion for context. In any event, the article survived and the category is no less justifiable than the article.~~ Largoplazo (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not a defining characteristic. The fact that there is an article is not a relevant argument, not for every article there is also a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Beauty goddesses

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Category:Beauty goddesses

Category:Moirang

The result of the discussion was: delete. Noting Category:Bishnupur district was already added to Thangjing Temple, Moirang by Pepperbeast. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:14, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Moirang (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Tiny category containing two articles. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom but move Thangjing Temple, Moirang to Category:Bishnupur district. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Organisations based in Thoubal

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Organisations based in Thoubal (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category of one item. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Organisations based in Jiribam

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Organisations based in Jiribam (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category of one item. Delete without prejudice. PepperBeast (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:9th-century bishops in the Carolingian Empire

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:9th-century bishops in the Carolingian Empire to Category:Bishops in the Carolingian Empire
Propose merging Category:9th century in the Carolingian Empire to Category:Carolingian Empire

Nominator's rationale: merge, the Carolingian Empire existed from 800 to 888 so there is no reason to diffuse it by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Judith of Flanders

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Judith of Flanders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEPON, redundant category layer with only the main article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and as category creator. Mason (talk) 13:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pages using WikiProject Fossorials with unknown parameters

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Pages using WikiProject Fossorials with unknown parameters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:WikiProject Fossorials was userfied per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Fossorials - this maintenance category depends on a now non-existant WikiProject Harryboyles 11:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Former streets and street names in Los Angeles

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Former streets and street names in Los Angeles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, there are only three redirects, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bridges completed in 1192

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Bridges completed in 1192 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1192 and Category:Bridges completed in the 12th century
Propose merging Category:Bridges completed in 1179 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1179 and Category:Bridges completed in the 12th century

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dams completed in 1600

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Dams completed in 1600 to Category:Dams completed in the 16th century and Category:Infrastructure completed in 1600

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Category:Tigers in Meitei culture

Category:Disasters in Germany by province or territory

The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 05:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Educational institutes established in 1927 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Disasters in Germany by province or territory (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Events in Germany by province or territory (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:Disasters in Saxony to Category:Events in Leipzig

Nominator's rationale: unnecessary category tree created by a disruptive editor Mason (talk) 02:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, again a whole tree for a single article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Category:Educational institutes established in 1927 is a category redirect, not a category, so I'm not sure if it warrants deletion. Its target category, Category:Educational institutions established in 1927, isn't tagged for consideration here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Smasongarrison and Marcocapelle: thoughts on Liz's comment? Do you want to delete the category redirect, or do you want to delete it target (in which case I can relist and tag said target)? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I'd rather delete Educational institutes established in 1927, because it seems unlikely to be used, and it was made by a problematic editor. But I don't feel that strongly about it. Mason (talk) 04:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @HouseBlaster: delete, it is meaningless to have just a single redirect for 1927 out of what could be entire series for every year. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films about fictional secret intelligence agencies

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Films about fictional secret intelligence agencies to Category:Films about intelligence agencies

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 02:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in the spirit of WP:OCMISC, most films about real intelligence agencies are already in the subcategories of Category:Films about intelligence agencies. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sahitya Akademi recognised languages

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Sahitya Akademi recognised languages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 02:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Free sex

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 04:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Free sex delete, no upmerge needed
Category:Free sex activists delete, no upmerge needed
The concept seems to be undefined except by inference from the supercats. The stated ((catmain)), Free sex, is a dab. Yhe cats were created in 2012 by Almust (locked 2013) — I surmise in order to to add Category:Free sex activists to article Kim Iryeop. All articles and cats seem to be in relevant supercats already, so no upmerges needed. jnestorius^(talk) 01:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't it be merged to Category:Casual sex? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess, if any are not already in a relevant subcat jnestorius^(talk) 23:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes you are right, everything is already in that category. Then delete per nom and per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 5

Category:Year of work unknown

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Year of work unknown to Category:Open problems

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. (Dual merge to Works by year unnecessary; child is already in Songs by year). NLeeuw (talk) 06:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Drum Corps Associates corps

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Drum Corps Associates corps

Category:Paleontology portal

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Paleontology portal

16th century in the Mughal Empire

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:1560s in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th century in the Mughal Empire and Category:1560s in India
Propose merging Category:1570s in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th century in the Mughal Empire and Category:1570s in India
Propose merging Category:1571 establishments in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th-century establishments in the Mughal Empire and Category:1571 establishments in Asia and Category:1570s establishments in India
Propose merging Category:1572 establishments in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th-century establishments in the Mughal Empire and Category:1572 establishments in India
Propose merging Category:1576 in the Mughal Empire to Category:16th century in the Mughal Empire and Category:1576 in Asia and Category:1570s in India

Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year and decade categories, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 07:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2004 video games with demos

The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2004 video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1995 video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2000 video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2002 video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2003 video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2006 video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2008 video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2009 video games with demos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Absolutely not a defining trait. Thousands upon thousands of video games have demos, and none of them are defined by that. I nominated 2004, then noticed the parent and several others. All should go. -- ferret (talk) 13:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be very sad you you delete :(

Not all games have demos. Thousands? Ok, they are divided by years.

Demo is important - because it freely distributable, and we can download it from some websites. This is imprtant for abandonware, for example Armies of Exigo - you cannot buy this game - we have only torrents or great demo.

And often demos is like a beta version of the game, that looks differently from the release version - this is important for the history and research. I am surprised that you want to delete such category :( Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is not a defining trait of the games. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. -- ferret (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -I assume all of the additional subcats of Category:Video games with demos should be deleted as well? (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes -- ferret (talk) 04:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. - Altenmann >talk 14:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 00:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Fails WP:DEFINING. Sergecross73 msg me 15:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom, fails WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag all of the subcategories; if there is no further participation in a week we should be all set for deleting them.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 11:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The whole set is now tagged. – Fayenatic London 11:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom per WP:NONDEFINING. I'm sure some abandonware game demos are very interesting to torrent, but that's not Wikipedia's business. NLeeuw (talk) 07:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Studies of right-wing politics

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Studies of right-wing politics

Category:Disasters in Philippines by province or territory

The result of the discussion was: delete. No reason to keep this open. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Disasters in Philippines by province or territory to Category:Disasters in Philippines by province

Nominator's rationale: The Philippines has no "territories" to speak of, as every square inch of the country is incorporated (i.e., there is no "unincorporated area" or unorganized areas). Howard the Duck (talk) 01:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It should be Category:Disasters in the Philippines by province. HueMan1 (talk) 10:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Howard the Duck: are you okay with this alt rename? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 03:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Just delete this. This was created by a user topic banned on category space. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 11:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, once a previous CfD closure is implemented this category is empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. HueMan1 (talk) 01:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This category is empty now so there is nothing to Merge. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Arab-American gangs

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Arab gangs. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Arab-American gangs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Arab gangs instead. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Arab gangs instead. NLeeuw (talk) 07:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Companies that operate fighter jets

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Companies that operate fighter jets

Category:Arab gangs

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Arab gangs

Category:Wikipedians in Ngong Hills

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Wikipedians in Ngong Hills to Category:Wikipedians in Kenya

Nominator's rationale: No other user pages in the parent category mention this location. – Fayenatic London 10:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scholars of Greek language

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Scholars of Greek language

Category:Eastern Europe in fiction

The result of the discussion was: merge articles. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging Category:Eastern Europe in fiction to Category:Europe in fiction

Nominator's rationale: Extremely WP:ARBITRARYCAT (really; read the category description). Indirect follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 27#Category:Video games set in Northern Europe (upmerged). Note: the "by country" child categories do not have to be upmerged; they are already in Category:Europe in fiction by country. Child category about video games has also been nominated for upmerging. NLeeuw (talk) 09:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manually merge per nom. In real life Eastern Europe is a fuzzy concept, even more in fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Swingin' Utters

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Swingin' Utters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Insufficient content for WP:EPONYMOUS category. – Fayenatic London 09:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games set in Eastern Europe

The result of the discussion was: manually merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging Category:Video games set in Eastern Europe to Category:Video games set in Europe

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 27#Category:Video games set in Northern Europe (upmerged). Note: the "by country" child categories do not have to be upmerged; they are already in Category:Video games set in Europe by country. NLeeuw (talk) 09:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
agree with marco and nom. There's no need to cluster video settings by region. Mason (talk) 23:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Eastern European restaurants

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Eastern European restaurants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT, unnecessary grouping of 3 restaurants which are already in the Russian, Ukrainian and Polish restaurants trees. I recommend Just Delete, there's no point in merging. NLeeuw (talk) 09:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, two of the articles are already in Category:Russian restaurants and Category:Polish restaurants and the other does not seem to belong here altogether. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Hong Kong one? NLeeuw (talk) 09:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Right. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Central European art groups

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging Category:Central European art groups to Category:European artist groups and collectives

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. There doesn't seem to be anything particularly "Central European" to the articles in this group. Some things are Czech, some Swiss, one German, one Austrian, one Swiss-Austrian and one Luxemburgish, but that's it. The contents do not suggest a larger "Central European" scope, let alone that the category has properly defined its scope. According to several definitions, Luxembourg and Switzerland belong to "Western Europe", while Czechia belongs to "Eastern Europe". The present grouping seems WP:OR. Upmerging to "Europe" resolves the arbitrariness. NLeeuw (talk) 05:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Central European cuisine

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Central European cuisine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Just delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Main article Central European cuisine is already in parent Category:European cuisine and all subcategories just duplicate Category:European cuisine by country. NLeeuw (talk) 05:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Heroes of North Korea

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Heroes of the Republic (North Korea). (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:National Heroes of North Korea to Category:Heroes of the Republic

Nominator's rationale: Main article: Hero of the Republic. Not sure what the best name for this category is; should it specify North Korea in parentheses? I don't think "National" should be a part of the title; there doesn't seem to be any indication that it is in either Korean or English. toobigtokale (talk) 21:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OCAWARD or else alt rename to Category:Heroes of the Republic (North Korea), less ambiguous than proposed and more clearly a disambiguator than the current name. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with both assessments, and am ok with either deletion or renaming to the suggested title. Will keep that guideline in mind from now on, thanks. toobigtokale (talk) 18:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless anyone else objects. toobigtokale (talk) 04:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename (with the round brackets) per Marcocapelle. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question: rename or delete?
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Rename to Category:Heroes of the Republic (North Korea). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1990s Japanese superhero films

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. As Liz says. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:1990s Japanese superhero films to Category:1990s superhero films

Nominator's rationale: Why do we need this which has only a few entries? All content has been transferred to Category:Japanese superhero films and Category:1990s Japanese films. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See other similar cats. Again, 2 subcats and 3 articles does not strike me as an indecently low number: 'Categories which intersect two (or more) topics or characteristics can result in very narrow categories with few members. Such categories should only be created when both parent categories are large enough for diffusion to be an option, and when similar intersections can be made for related categories.' That seems to be the case here and up-merge seems unnecessary.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment A bundled nomination including this category was just closed a week ago (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 March 10#Japanese superhero films by decade). I'd wait longer than a few days before renominating or else you will just get the same No Consensus closure. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lapinjärvi (municipality)

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 21:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Lapinjärvi (municipality) to Category:Lapinjärvi, Finland

Nominator's rationale: Renamed the main article Lapinjärvi, Finland. Peltimikko (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert article rename, it is unnecessary to add ", Finland", there is no ambiguity and other municipalities in Category:Municipalities of Eastern Uusimaa do not have this addition either. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Marco; keep this category and per WP:BOLDMOVE (If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself) I have undone the move. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There ARE other municipilities with added ”, Finland” in Category:Cities and towns in Finland, such as Nokia, Finland or Rauma, Finland or Outokumpu, Finland. Only Lapinjärvi is ”(municipality)”. Peltimikko (talk) 03:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For Nokia a disambiguator is necessary because the article Nokia is about the company. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have started an RM, this category discussion may be closed per WP:C2D after closure of the RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On hold pending RM. Please comment at Talk:Lapinjärvi (municipality)#Requested move 24 March 2024. — Qwerfjkl talk 17:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let's see if the RM concludes as moved, or if there is consensus to rename here.
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If I may make a suggestion to the closer, I think closing this as no consensus is the best way forward. All of the above comments will be irrelevant once the RM is closed, and therefore a fresh discussion will be more productive than trying to continue this one. House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia

Category:Wikipedians with autism

The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Autistic Wikipedians. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 22:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians with autism to Category:Autistic Wikipedians

Nominator's rationale: This is about Person-first/identity-first language.

For many conditions/disabilities/traits, the use of person-first language is preferred or there is no consensus. This was also true in the past for autistic people. However, within the last few years, particularly since the rise of the Autism_rights_movement and its focus on self-advocacy, use of identity-first language has become much more preferred and prominent among people who are actually autistic.

While neurotypical people have no consensus on person-first or identity-first language, this category is used specifically by people who are actually autistic. So, in order to better represent people who self-identify with the category, it would be better for it to be named "Autistic Wikipedians".

A notable American organisation supporting person-first language is Autism Speaks. However, Autism Speaks has been criticised and boycott by the autism rights movement because it does not reflect the needs or desires of self-advocating autistic people.

References within Wikipedia articles

Although some prefer to use the person-first terminology person with autism, most members of the autistic community prefer autistic person or autistic in formal English, to stress that autism is a part of their identity rather than a disease they have. In addition, phrases like suffers from autism are objectionable to many people, and are discouraged by prominent style guides.
— Autism_rights_movement#Terminology

Identity-first language is preferred by many autistic people and organizations run by them.
— People-first_language#Criticism

References from reliable sources

Autistic adults and parents were more likely to select an [identity-first language] term. The identity-first terms “I am autistic” (64.1%) and “I have autism” (13.1%) were the most common terms selected.
— Preferences for identity-first versus person-first language in a US sample of autism stakeholders by Amanda Taboas, Karla Doepke, Corinne Zimmerman in the United States.

This article shows autistic people generally prefer identity-first language, while other people who aren't autistic may prefer person-first language or may have no preference. Since this category is about Wikipedians who are autistic self-identifying, it makes sense to use identity-first language. This is more likely to respect the identity of the people in the category.

There has been a recent shift from person-first to identity-first language to describe autism. In this study, Australian adults who reported having a diagnosis of autism (N 198) rated and ranked autism-terms for preference and offensiveness, and explained their choice in free-text. ‘Autistic’, ‘Person on the Autism Spectrum’, and ‘Autistic Person’ were rated most preferred and least offensive overall. [...] Statements in this theme reflected that being autistic is core to these participants’ sense of self, and not something that can be removed or separated from them (i.e., their autism is not an ‘accessory’)
— “It Defines Who I Am” or “It’s Something I Have” by Simon M. Bury, Rachel Jellett, Jennifer R. Spoor, Darren Hedley in Australia.

Alternatives considered

No change: "Category:Autistic Wikipedians" is a redirect to "Category:Wikipedians with autism". It is not possible for Wikipedians to add the "Autistic Wikipedians" category to their user page. This is because bots will edit their user page to "Category:Wikipedians with autism" in an attempt to "fix" the redirect.

Another name: As per the Australian paper, the term "Person on the Autism Spectrum" was most consistently ranked and offended the fewest people, though it wasn't the most preferred term as frequently as "Autistic Person".

While "Autistic Person" may not appeal to every single person who self-identifies as autistic, it overall has greater appeal in English-speaking communities than "Person with autism". CauliflowerMoon (talk) 09:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support making a change. My impression has been that the general preference in the community is to use Identity first language rather than person first language. Annoyingly, I could have sworn that the APA style guide used autism as an example for identity first preference... but it seems I was either misremembering or it was changed [10]. One core tenent that I think is extremely applicable from the APA guide: "Use person-first or identity-first language as is appropriate for the community or person being discussed. The language used should be selected with the understanding that disabled people's expressed preferences regarding identification supersede matters of style. " I think creating three categories with a user box template could be a workable solution. We could have the main category be: Category:Wikipedians on the Autism Spectrum, and have two child categories with Category:Autistic Wikipedians and Category:Wikipedians with autism. Mason (talk) 00:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mixed Do whatever you want. But this seems a little bit pointless to me, maybe that's just me. As an autistic person myself i don't care what happens, both seem fine to me AuroraANovaUma (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Emigrants from British North America

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Emigrants from British North America to Category:Emigrants from the British Empire

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's only one category in here, whish isn't helpful for navigation. Also a followup to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_24 Mason (talk) 01:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. As in the previous discussion, I would be ok with a follow-up proposal to rename pre-confederation Canada to British North America. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Australian association football cup seasons

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. @GiantSnowman, you may wish to start a new nomination. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Australian association football cup seasons to Category:Soccer cup seasons in Australia

Nominator's rationale: Suggesting rename for consistency with Category:Soccer cup competitions in Australia. – Fayenatic London 16:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Looking around Category:Association football cup competitions by country, I did not find many similar sub-cats for cup seasons. There are a few: Seasons in German football cup competitions, Seasons in Scottish football cup competitions, Seasons in Thai football cup competitions, Seasons in Welsh football cup competitions. But we must not follow that naming format, to avoid ambiguity with Australian rules football. – Fayenatic London 17:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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@GiantSnowman: as the most active Wikipedian involved in both CfD and in association football, what do you think? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 17:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as suggested, and instead move to Category:Seasons in Australian soccer cup competitions to match the format of the other similar cats suggested. I will also correct the OP on one point, namely that the current title is 'association football' so there is no ambiguity with 'Australian football' as claimed. Giant Snowman 17:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 4

Category:Hualien County high schools

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 00:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Hualien County high schools (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Organizations based in Hualien City (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:High schools in Hualien City (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Education in Hualien City (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Schools in Hualien City (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Mason (talk) 20:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Same disruptive OP. @Liz, can you block him from category space? Mason (talk) 20:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, again a whole tree for a single article. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just a note that Category:High schools in Hualien City has been emptied. Regarding the editor I think you are referring to, I gave him a final warning but I guess it had no impact. Ponyo has already blocked them from category space, indefinitely. I would have gone to a limited duration block but they can always appeal. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Ponyo thanks for the block, Liz thanks for the explanation. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:18th-century Roman Catholic churches in the Canary Islands

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 00:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:18th-century Roman Catholic churches in the Canary Islands to Category:18th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa and Category:18th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Spain and Category:Roman Catholic churches in the Canary Islands

Nominator's rationale: 3x upmerge for now. There's not enough content to diffuse these churches by century. Mason (talk) 19:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, isolated century category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mayors of populated places in the United States

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 00:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Mayors of populated places in the United States to Category:Mayors of places in the United States

Nominator's rationale: Page out of phase with its siblings in Category:Mayors by country. This was speedy-moved to its current name in November with a rationale that wasn't entirely applicable to it -- it cited the precedent of several "American X by city" containers having been moved to "American X by populated place", but this isn't subject to that same issue because it wasn't "Mayors of cities".
All other countries across the board are at "Mayors of places" rather than "Mayors of populated places", with this as the only outlier -- and while there may be a case that they should be at "populated places" too, that would have to be done to all categories right across the board, because it's not just a special US-specific issue. Further, all of the state-level subcategories here have also been left at "mayors of places" rather than "mayors of populated places", but they would also all have to be moved on the same grounds too.
The problem with "by city" isn't automatically applicable to "by place" as well — the problem with the former is that sometimes towns and villages also have relevant content that can't be accurately categorized as "city", but "places" isn't subject to that same issue because towns and villages are also places, and obviously an unpopulated place can't have a mayor by definition. So moving "mayors of places" to "mayors of populated places" would be a valid discussion to have as to whether it's needed or not, but it isn't automatically militated by anything that's happening to "by city" categories because it isn't the same issue.
Accordingly, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody's willing to tackle a comprehensive batch move of all "Mayors of places" categories to "Mayors of populated places", but there's no reason why this one specific category would need to stand alone as a unique divergence from all of the other categories. Bearcat (talk) 18:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. If the whole tree is going to be changed, Category:Mayors by municipality might be an alternative option. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assassinated people by year

The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 00:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:10th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 10th century
Propose renaming Category:11th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 11th century
Propose renaming Category:12th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 12th century
Propose renaming Category:13th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 13th century
Propose renaming Category:14th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 14th century
Propose renaming Category:15th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 15th century
Propose renaming Category:16th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 16th century
Propose renaming Category:17th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 17th century
Propose renaming Category:18th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 18th century
Propose renaming Category:19th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 19th century
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:21st-century assassinated people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People assassinated in the 21st century
Propose renaming Category:16th-century assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 16th century
Propose renaming Category:17th-century assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 17th century
Propose renaming Category:18th-century assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 18th century
Propose renaming Category:19th-century assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 19th century
Propose renaming Category:19th-century assassinated national presidents (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:National presidents assassinated in the 19th century
Propose renaming Category:1800s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1800s
Propose renaming Category:1810s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1810s
Propose renaming Category:1820s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1820s
Propose renaming Category:1830s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1830s
Propose renaming Category:1840s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1840s
Propose renaming Category:1850s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1850s
Propose renaming Category:1860s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1860s
Propose renaming Category:1870s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1870s
Propose renaming Category:1880s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1880s
Propose renaming Category:1890s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1890s
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated national presidents (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:National presidents assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:1900s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1900s
Propose renaming Category:1910s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1910s
Propose renaming Category:1920s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1920s
Propose renaming Category:1930s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1930s
Propose renaming Category:1940s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1940s
Propose renaming Category:1950s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1950s
Propose renaming Category:1960s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1960s
Propose renaming Category:1970s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1970s
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1970 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1970
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1971 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1971
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1972 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1972
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1973 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1973
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1974 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1974
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1975 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1975
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1976 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1976
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1977 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1977
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1978 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1978
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1979 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1979
Propose renaming Category:1970s assassinated politicians in Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:African politicians assassinated in the 1970s
Propose renaming Category:1970s assassinated politicians in Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Asian politicians assassinated in the 1970s
Propose renaming Category:1970s assassinated politicians in Europe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:European politicians assassinated in the 1970s
Propose renaming Category:1970s assassinated politicians in North America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:North American politicians assassinated in the 1970s
Propose renaming Category:1970s assassinated politicians in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:South American politicians assassinated in the 1970s
Propose renaming Category:1980s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1980s
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1980 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1980
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1981 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1981
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1982 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1982
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1983 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1983
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1984 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1984
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1985 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1985
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1986 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1986
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1987 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1987
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1988 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1988
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1989 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1989
Propose renaming Category:1980s assassinated politicians in Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:African politicians assassinated in the 1980s
Propose renaming Category:1980s assassinated politicians in Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Asian politicians assassinated in the 1980s
Propose renaming Category:1980s assassinated politicians in Europe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:European politicians assassinated in the 1980s
Propose renaming Category:1980s assassinated politicians in North America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:North American politicians assassinated in the 1980s
Propose renaming Category:1980s assassinated politicians in Oceania (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Oceania politicians assassinated in the 1980s
Propose renaming Category:1980s assassinated politicians in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:South American politicians assassinated in the 1980s
Propose renaming Category:1990s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 1990s
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1990 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1990
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1991 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1991
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1992 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1992
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1993 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1993
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1994 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1994
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1995 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1995
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1996 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1996
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1997 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1997
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1998 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1998
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 1999 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 1999
Propose renaming Category:1990s assassinated politicians in Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:African politicians assassinated in the 1990s
Propose renaming Category:1990s assassinated politicians in Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Asian politicians assassinated in the 1990s
Propose renaming Category:1990s assassinated politicians in Europe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:European politicians assassinated in the 1990s
Propose renaming Category:1990s assassinated politicians in North America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:North American politicians assassinated in the 1990s
Propose renaming Category:1990s assassinated politicians in Oceania (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Oceania politicians assassinated in the 1990s
Propose renaming Category:1990s assassinated politicians in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:South American politicians assassinated in the 1990s
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated Afghan politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Afghan politicians assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated Bangladeshi politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bangladeshi politicians assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated Chinese politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chinese politicians assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated French politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:French politicians assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated Indian politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Indian politicians assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated Japanese politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Japanese politicians assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:20th-century assassinated Pakistani politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Pakistani politicians assassinated in the 20th century
Propose renaming Category:21st-century assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 21st century
Propose renaming Category:21st-century assassinated national presidents (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:National presidents assassinated in the 21st century
Propose renaming Category:2000s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 2000s
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2000 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2000
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2001 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2001
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2002 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2002
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2003 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2003
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2004 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2004
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2005 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2005
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2006 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2006
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2007 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2007
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2008 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2008
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2009 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2009
Propose renaming Category:2000s assassinated politicians in Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:African politicians assassinated in the 2000s
Propose renaming Category:2000s assassinated politicians in Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Asian politicians assassinated in the 2000s
Propose renaming Category:2000s assassinated politicians in Europe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:European politicians assassinated in the 2000s
Propose renaming Category:2000s assassinated politicians in North America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:North American politicians assassinated in the 2000s
Propose renaming Category:2000s assassinated politicians in Oceania (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Oceania politicians assassinated in the 2000s
Propose renaming Category:2000s assassinated politicians in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:South American politicians assassinated in the 2000s
Propose renaming Category:2010s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 2010s
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2010 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2010
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2011 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2011
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2012 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2012
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2013 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2013
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2014 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2014
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2015 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2015
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2016 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2016
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2017 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2017
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2018 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2018
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2019 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2019
Propose renaming Category:2010s assassinated politicians in Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:African politicians assassinated in the 2010s
Propose renaming Category:2010s assassinated politicians in Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Asian politicians assassinated in the 2010s
Propose renaming Category:2010s assassinated politicians in Europe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:European politicians assassinated in the 2010s
Propose renaming Category:2010s assassinated politicians in North America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:North American politicians assassinated in the 2010s
Propose renaming Category:2010s assassinated politicians in South America (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:South American politicians assassinated in the 2010s
Propose renaming Category:2020s assassinated politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in the 2020s
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2020 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2020
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2021 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2021
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2022 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2022
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2023 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2023
Propose renaming Category:Assassinated politicians in 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Politicians assassinated in 2024

Nominator's rationale: Ungrammatical naming convention. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support. Lots of people will have been killed in a different century than they were born. This renaming centres the time of death, and makes the category's purpose unambiguously clear. In this context, the date of birth is WP:NONDEFINING.

NLeeuw (talk) 16:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename, while I don't really expect that people have been categorized by date of birth, the proposed names are nevertheless clearer than the current names. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename! Mason (talk) 19:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NRW Trophy

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 00:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:NRW Trophy (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Contains only one article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to parents Category:Figure skating in Germany and Category:Sports competitions in North Rhine-Westphalia rather than straight delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American Football (band)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 12#Category:American Football (band)

Category:International Challenge Cup

The result of the discussion was: delete as unopposed and empty. (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 00:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:International Challenge Cup (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Empty category. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:56, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes, it only contains an empty category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now it is completely empty. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American insect pathologists

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 12#Category:American insect pathologists

Category:People convicted in the Offenburg trials

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 02:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:People convicted in the Offenburg trials to Category:People convicted in the Buchenwald trials

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. The only person in this category was convicted in the Buchenwald trial. Offenburg trials is not even a page on Wikipedia Mason (talk) 00:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the article does not mention he was convicted in the Buchenwald trials. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was basing it on the infobox. But delete is also good with me. Mason (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have removed it from the infobox. The subject of the article is not listed in Buchenwald trial while that seems an exhaustive list. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 3

Category:Categories by state or territory of Taiwan

The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Categories by state or territory of Taiwan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:History of Taiwanese counties by location (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:Histories of counties in Taiwan to Category:History of Taiwan
Propose merging Category:History of Taiwan by location to Category:History of Taiwan
Propose deleting Category:History of Taiwan by county (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Just a huge mess delete/merge these duplicate categories Mason (talk) 23:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/delete, a huge tree for only a few articles is not helpful at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Architecture in Asia

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Architecture in Asia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Asian design (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Architecture in Asia by period or style (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Redundant categories/duplicate categories by the same user Mason (talk) 23:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The categories are currently empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Comment These are recently-created empty duplicates of existing Category:Asian architecture tree. The creator was probably inspired by my recent speedy-renaming of Category:African architecture to Category:Architecture of Africa (per C2D, which currently doesn't apply to other architecture-by-continent cats). I do favour the naming Architecture of in Fooland, but that should happen by renaming existing trees according to procedure, not creating duplicates. Let's delete the duplicates first before considering renaming its siblings. NLeeuw (talk) 12:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS: For a future renaming of the whole tree, I think Architecture in Fooland may actually make more sense that "of", as it is almost universally applied in lower-level categories.
- E.g. despite top-level main article Architecture of Africa, children in Category:African architecture by country all use Architecture in Fooland.
- E.g. Category:Brutalist architecture by continent has children called Brutalist architecture in Fooland. And although Commons usually favours "of", here too it has c:Category:Brutalist architecture by country with Brutalist architecture in Fooland. So the creator's goal of moving towards the "in" formulation isn't so ill-thought, it's just badly applied in practice.
NLeeuw (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm definitely not opposed to Architecture in FOO for a later CFD. (My goal is to just clean up the mess of the category creator) Mason (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's good to know, glad you agree. NLeeuw (talk) 22:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Terrorist incidents in Upper Kohistan District, Pakistan

The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 14:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Upper Kohistan District, Pakistan to Category:Terrorist incidents in Pakistan

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. If not merged, the category needs to be renamed to reflect that this is Upper Kohistan District Mason (talk) 23:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge more specifically to Category:Terrorist incidents in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Category:Upper Kohistan District. The category contains only one article, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Crime in Shangla, Pakistan

The result of the discussion was: delete/alt merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 14:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Crime in Shangla, Pakistan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:2024 in Shangla, Pakistan to Category:2024 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa‎
Propose merging Category:Terrorist incidents in Shangla, Pakistan to Category:Terrorist incidents in Pakistan

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. If not merged, the category needs to be renamed to reflect that this is Shangla District Mason (talk) 23:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge but to Category:Shangla District and Category:2024 in Pakistan as Category:2024 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa‎ does not exist yet. The category contains only one article which is not helpful at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Smasongarrison: are you okay with the alt merge as suggested by Marco? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Yep Mason (talk) 02:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Modernist architecture in Taiwan

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Semi-round buildings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Modernist architecture in Taiwan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Modernist architecture in Taiwan by county (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Asian architectural styles by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Architecture in Asia by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: unhelpful categories made by the same disruptive user. Only have one page in them related to a current event. Mason (talk) 22:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, a huge tree for only a few articles is not helpful at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now without prejudice. I expect 2, 3 and especially 5 will be useful in the future, but not at the moment. 5 will probably be the result of renaming Category:Asian architecture by country, not of new creation (see also CfD above). NLeeuw (talk) 22:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just noting that Category:Modernist architecture in Taiwan by county has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Asian culture by state or territory

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Asian culture by state or territory (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Asia culture by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Nonsensical categories. Mason (talk) 22:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These categories are currently empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, recently created empty duplicates of existing cats. NLeeuw (talk) 12:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tourist attractions in Taiwan by populated place

The result of the discussion was: delete/merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Geography of Taiwan by populated place (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging Category:Tourist attractions in Taiwan by populated place to Category:Tourist attractions in Taiwan
Propose merging Category:Tourism in Taiwan by populated place to Category:Tourism in Taiwan
Propose merging Category:Landmarks in Taiwan by populated place to Category:Landmarks in Taiwan
Propose merging Category:Buildings in Taiwan by populated place to Category:Buildings and structures in Taiwan by city
Propose merging Category:Buildings in Hualien City to Category:Buildings and structures in Hualien City
Propose merging Category:Hualien City Historic-Cultural Monuments to Category:Buildings and structures in Hualien City

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful by the same disruptive category creator. Also the template the page creator used for Historic-Cultural Monuments only applies to California. OP keeps making categories and refuses to take feedback. Mason (talk) 22:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/merge, "buildings" alone is an unusual sort of category, and all of these contain only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Category:Buildings in Hualien City has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Buchenwald concentration camp medical personnel

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Buchenwald concentration camp medical personnel to Category:Buchenwald concentration camp personnel

Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation when you only have one person in here Mason (talk) 23:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Transgender genocide

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Transgender genocide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate categorization: other than the main article, none of these topics are defined by their association with the disputed concept of transgender genocide. Some articles may need upmerging. (t · c) buidhe 21:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom Mason (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 13:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Brazilian city councillors

The result of the discussion was: rename as unopposed. (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 02:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Brazilian city councillors to Category:Brazilian municipal councillors

Nominator's rationale: Juridically, it's called municipality, not city. See also subcategories/siblings at Category:Councillors in South America. --MikutoH ^talk! 21:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Czech saints

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Category:Czech saints

Category:Babson Beavers

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ^Queenof_Hearts 02:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Babson Beavers to Category:Babson College

Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 18:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Standard categorization scheme. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What guideline is that? Let'srun (talk) 13:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No formal guideline that I know of it, but it reflects the standard practice for scores of editors for more than a decade in topic areas covering hundreds of thousands of articles. What guideline is "lacks subjects"? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge for now, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge for now. "Standard categorization scheme." is not a good reason to keep a category. Its effectively saying this is how its been done, so no need to change it. It's effectively Argument from inertia. Mason (talk) 21:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Crafts deities

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Category:Crafts deities

Category:Words and phrases by language

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Category:Words and phrases by language

Category:Magazine editors by nationality

The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 13:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Magazine editors by nationality to Category:Magazine editors

Nominator's rationale: No need to diffuse by nationality with 1 (possibly 2 categories) Mason (talk) 13:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Giorgio Cini Foundation

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Giorgio Cini Foundation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: unhelpful for navigation to have the contents of the category are only vaguely related. a link would be suffient Mason (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Food gods

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Category:Food gods

Category:Children of Charairongba

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Children of Charairongba (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Totally unnecessary cat with just two entries PepperBeast (talk) 11:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Italian publication editors

The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Italian publication editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the only article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I have formally warned the page creator, who has not been responsive to the wall of messages on their talk page. Mason (talk) 13:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Category has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Languages with own distinct writing systems

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Languages with own distinct writing systems (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Definition of "distinctive" seems to make this a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT PepperBeast (talk) 04:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, gives too much room for subjective interpretation and not a very defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Is a writing system "distinct" if it has one different letter in its alphabet compared to a neighbouring language? E.g. Montenegrin alphabet versus Gaj's Latin alphabet. Unofficially, you can write any language in any script. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ NLeeuw (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Meitei script

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Category:Meitei script

Category:Shumang Kumhei

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Category:Shumang Kumhei

Category:Meitei Brahmins

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Category:Meitei Brahmins

Category:Titular Meitei princes

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Titular Meitei princes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Confusing, at best. None of these people seems to be titled, or a Prince. They just seem to share a surname and are somehow related to royalty. PepperBeast (talk) 04:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Meitei princesses

The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Indian princesses and Category:Meitei royalty. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Meitei princesses to Category:Meitei royalty
Propose merging Category:Princesses of Manipur to Category:Meitei royalty

Nominator's rationale: Very small cat, overlapping. PepperBeast (talk) 04:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least merge the two together per WP:OVERLAPCAT. If further upmerged as nominated then dual merge also to Category:Indian princesses. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sanaleipak

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Sanaleipak (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Grab-bag of unrelated items WP:SHAREDNAME PepperBeast (talk) 03:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Meitei as a second or foreign language

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Meitei as a second or foreign language (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Definitely WP:NONDEF PepperBeast (talk) 03:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Mason (talk) 13:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. WP:OR as well. English is probably the second language of most continental Europeans, but we're not gonna put all ethnic groups in continential Europe in a category just because of that. NLeeuw (talk) 20:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Meitei language in Bangladesh

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Meitei language in Bangladesh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Just two articles. PepperBeast (talk) 03:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Linguistic groups of the constitutionally recognised official languages of India

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Linguistic groups of the constitutionally recognised official languages of India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Rather convoluted thinking, and definitely WP:NONDEF. PepperBeast (talk) 03:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, it is close to plain nonsense. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete another pointless language/ethnicity WP:CROSSCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 20:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Phouoibi

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Phouoibi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Tiny category of one eponymous article, one film, and one play. PepperBeast (talk) 03:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, the articles are already directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kangla

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Kangla (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Basically duplicates the disambiguation page of the same name. PepperBeast (talk) 03:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, nearly empty category, but if populated it would be a case of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Translations into Meitei

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Translations into Meitei (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Tiny category of only two pages. PepperBeast (talk) 03:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Medicine goddesses

The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 14:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Medicine goddesses to Category:Health goddesses
Propose merging Category:Medicine gods to Category:Health gods
Propose merging Category:Medicine deities to Category:Health deities

Nominator's rationale: Seems like a lot of overlap/duplication. PepperBeast (talk) 03:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Not sure about the semantics, but seems like medicine is a human activity or product, while health is said to be bestowed upon humans as a blessing by deities. NLeeuw (talk) 20:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: do you mean merge, or is there a reason you object to recategorization? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Oh my mistake, yes I meant Merge. NLeeuw (talk) 02:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Abundance goddesses

The result of the discussion was: Aborted. I think I've ballsed this up slightly and will re-list. (non-admin closure) PepperBeast (talk) 11:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Abundance goddesses to Category:Agricultural goddesses
Propose merging Category:Food goddesses to Category:Agricultural goddesses
Propose merging Category:Harvest goddesses to Category:Agricultural goddesses
Propose merging Category:Abundance gods to Category:Agricultural gods
Propose merging Category:Food gods to Category:Agricultural gods
Propose merging Category:Harvest gods to Category:Agricultural gods
Propose merging Category:Abundance deities to Category:Agricultural deities
Propose merging Category:Food deities to Category:Agricultural deities
Propose merging Category:Harvest deities to Category:Agricultural deities

Nominator's rationale: Seems like a lot of overlap. PepperBeast (talk) 02:51, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Maintenance deities

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Maintenance deities (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Maintenance gods (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Maintenance goddesses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Rather strange category. I couldn't really find much to support it as WP:CATV, and the articles included weren't much help. PepperBeast (talk) 02:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed The majority of pages in this category don't make much sense being here. Vishnu would be the only exception, but he may be better referred to as a god of preservation. Invokingvajras (talk) 03:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support deletion, what the hell does "Maintenance deities" even mean anyways? Also delete Category:Abundance deities too for the same reasons. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I actually think Abundance deities should be changed to Wealth deities and Commerce deities should be merged into that. PepperBeast (talk) 01:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Never heard of them, and there don't seem to be RS for them either. Seems like some Wikipedia category maintenance is in order... NLeeuw (talk) 20:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Non-binary people by sexual orientation

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Category:Non-binary people by sexual orientation

Category:Company editors

The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Company editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Italian company editors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Italian company editors by type (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I'm nominating this category and, by extension Category:Italian company editors and Category:Italian company editors by type because I can't find a definition on Wikipedia of what a "company editor" is and so I don't know who would or would not be included in this category. Categorization on Wikipedia is not supposed to be ambiguous and so I think either a definition should be included on a main space article or this category needs to be deleted or renamed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 13:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Aruba

The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:20th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Aruba to Category:20th-century Roman Catholic church buildings and Category:Roman Catholic churches in Aruba

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There are only 4 churches in this entire tree, which is not helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 00:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle, per nom, but only one article needs to be moved manually to Category:20th-century Roman Catholic church buildings, the other two articles are already in a subcategory by year. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep at least until CI becomes an available feature. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 16:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is CI in this context? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To the closer: This IP is most likely WP:Long-term abuse/Hong Kong geography warrior. Mason (talk) 21:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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