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April 29

Administrators by country

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To put it simply, subcategorizing national user categories based upon who among them is an admin is bad idea. As Jimbo himself said, "Adminship is no big deal." While the main administrators category is meant to facilitate finding an admin, these categories do nothing but elevate adminship above other users and make it look like a big deal, which is a Bad Thing. I foresee that some will say "but they facilitate collaboration." No, in fact, they don't (or, at least, they shouldn't). There is no reason whatsoever that a Canadian admin is any better suited to using his/her administrator tools on a Canada-related article than a Peruvian or Czech one is; in fact, in certain situations, it may be the opposite. We should delete these categories because they serve to divide Wikipedia between admins and non-admins. Picaroon (Talk) 23:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who are skeptical of anthropogenic global warming

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The result of the debate was No consensus - First of all, this falls under "Supporter/critic of X", and is not a "not" category per se. Second, whether global warming of any particular type is notable is beyond the scope of this discussion. But even discounting those comments, it still came up No consensus. A remaining main concern is that it's essentially unfair to single out one support/critic category, and not the rest. So I think at this point, the next step, if someone is still interested, would be to nominate all the subcategories of Category:Wikipedians by political issue in one or more group nominations. Otherwise, repeated nominations of these categories are starting to look like WP:SNOW discussions resulting in No consensus/keeps. - jc37 09:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is clearly a NOT category, which is prohibited by precedence based on previous user categories. Why deny fact, anyway?

  • Please do not use Wikilawyering and WP:ILIKEIT to foster your arguments.--WaltCip 20:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see how my post was Wikilawyering. I wasn't attempting to use WP:ILIKEIT, but rather to demonstrate that there is an excyclopedic use for this category, to refute those above that said it is unencyclopedic. Oren0 23:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

William M. Connolley (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at who replied 7mn after OrenO on my talk page. Interesting Timing (UTC).

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zeeboid (talkcontribs). (yes, all of the indented text). It must be a kind of twisted joke, William has about 1000 more edits to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR than Zeeboid has in total. --Stephan Schulz 16:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point taken, but it's still a POV category.--WaltCip 21:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • So? Users are allowed a POV, as long as they work with others so that the articles are NPOV this is not a problem. We have Category:Wikipedians by political organization which is full of categories that express a POV - judging by their number and size of some of them there must be consensus that these are acceptable. When users express that they hold a POV it helps maintain neutrality by being able to find people with other view points to offer balance and alternative perspectives. Thryduulf 00:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Incorrect argument, for those who would deny the process of anthropogenic global warming would not be interested in the subject, out of apathy.--WaltCip 21:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Walt, I am still pro-deletion but I think some of your arguments are becoming too un-Wikipedian, you can't know whether anthropogenic warming "skeptics" would be apathetic. There is also a difference between deniers and skeptics. Let's try and stick to the fundamentals of the argument for deletion of the category and not the relative merits of the climate change debate. Barfbagger 22:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, sir, skepticism of anthropogenic global warming is necessarily an interest in the topic. This is beyond obvious. ptkfgs 00:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Potential meatpuppetry.--WaltCip 23:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough, but none of these people are puppets as far as I know, and I don't understand why you and William M. Connolley are making such a big deal out of it. Oren0 00:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you mind elaborating? Why is grouping people who are interested in global warming skepticism unencyclopedic? We do that with Wikiprojects all the time; it helps build collaboration. How do you foresee this being abused? Oren0 03:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please also remember that Wikipedia is not a blog, per WP:NOT. We must try to maintain an NPOV. Seeing editors using the category as a crutch for their weasel-worded edits to scientific topics is the very reason why the category should be deleted.--WaltCip 14:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is proper form for the nominator to clearly state his position. See the process info at WP:CFD. –Pomte 05:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1 - I am deleting the category because it is a "NOT" category.
  • 2 - I am deleting the category based on the premise that little collaborative value can come from it, other than divisive politicism and biased editing.
  • 3 - Gladly, I would delete the other political categories as well, but I am starting with this as it is the most volatile (and I do believe that it's "denying fact", but that's an entirely different bag of chips).
  • 4 - So far, the majority of arguments I have seen are WP:ILIKEIT, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, WP:USEFUL, WP:HARMLESS, and other variants.
  • 5 - If people wish to "state their opinion", the userbox very well serves that purpose.
  • It's worth noting that the majority of the delete arguments are WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC, WP:JUSTAPOLICY, or WP:PERNOM. And for the record, I don't see why global warming skepticism is a "NOT" category any more than, say, Category:Anarchist Wikipedians or Category:Anti-communist Wikipedians (unless you'd call these "NOT" categories as well, but I wouldn't). This category isn't about not supporting global warming, it's about skepticism. Being a global warming skeptic is not an unreasonable position, and, as I've noted above, this category can help increase collaboration. Oren0 21:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would like to add that one of the pro-deletion arguments is that being a Global Warming skeptic is "denying fact," which is a blatantly pov statement. That is definitely WP:IDONTLIKEIT, which is another argument not to use. Life, Liberty, Property 04:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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April 28

Subcategories of Category:Wikipedians interested in film

As you can see, this category needs an overhaul. I have proposed we delete categories that are based on a single film, as categories used to collaborate on one (or very few) pages are not helpful enough to justify their existance, and if we allowed that we would allow a category for each of Wikipedia's 1.7 million articles. I have also proposed a rename for each category I don't think is too narrow for collaborative purposes, in order for them to have more encyclopedic names. "Who likes" does not really imply that someone wants to collaborate on the articles, "interested" is much better in that regard, and I think we should try to convert all other "who likes" categories to "interested" in the future. VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Individual film categories
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The result of the debate was No consensus - either for whether they should be deleted, or whether renamed to "interested in". - jc37 09:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Individual fims which have sequels
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The result of the debate was No consensus - jc37 09:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Books and films
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The result of the debate was Rename per nom - jc37 09:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree, I don't see how my proposed renames would affect that? I specifically didn't add films at the end of the name because of this. VegaDark 19:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • To clarify, I was supporting not adding something like "films and media" or whatever, while still opposing "interested in". - jc37 09:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Films by film series
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The result of the debate was No consensus - jc37 09:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Monty python films
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The result of the debate was No consensus - jc37 09:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Films by director
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The result of the debate was Rename per nom. - jc37 09:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Why? How is "Wikipedians who like" better than "Wikipedians interested in" in terms of encyclopedic use? I like thousands of things, but I am not interested in collaborating on all of them. Naming categories as "who like" invites people to join the category for the sake of being in the category, not for collaboration, and I do believe all need to be changed from this. VegaDark 19:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand that you do, and it's a point that you and I disagree on. As I've mentioned elsewhere (including the talk page) I think that the user categories are useful for more than direct collaborative use. I could mention a recent quote from User:Jimbo Wales, which states something similar, but considering how his quotes were (in my opinion) taken out of context in userbox discussions, I'll avoid quoting him now. (Besides, as he often states, in cases such as these, he prefers to be "just another editor".) - jc37 09:08, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Life path

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete - author (below) - jc37 12:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No indication it is a user category, and no encyclopedic benefit that I can think of to search for users in such a category. VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:1stian Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Delete

No article on 1stian, and therefore no indication that categorizing by this could help facilitate collaboration in any way. VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:AOL users

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use AOL - jc37 09:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs an indication that it is a user category. VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Anonymous Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Keep - jc37 08:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can't possibly categorize all IP address contributors, and even if we could, why? VegaDark 22:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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April 27

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The result of the debate was Delete all - jc37 03:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians by D&D alignment and all subcategories[edit]

12 categories are not needed for the potential to collaborate on a single article. All of these need to be merged to Category:Wikipedians who play Dungeons & Dragons, or deleted. VegaDark 21:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone introduced to the alignment concept can then have an alignment. It's trivial. –Pomte 04:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Animal wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No reason for Wikipedians to ever go searching through this category for any reason that could help encyclopedia building. VegaDark 21:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian fans of Obi-Wan Kenobi

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Wars. --Tony Sidaway 17:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've merged this to Category:Wikipedians interested in Star Wars instead, as Category:Wikipedians who like Star Wars has been renamed to this above. VegaDark (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Too specific for collaboration. There are thousands of Star Wars characters, we don't need to have a category for each one. VegaDark 21:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Users who watch LazyTown

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians who like LazyTown - per author (below). Feel free to renominate for deletion, if wanted. - jc37 12:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a rename to Category:Wikipedians who like LazyTown per naming conventions at Category:Wikipedians interested in television (although I believe this naming convention needs to change to "interested in" in the future). VegaDark 21:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Beyond Good & Evil categories

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The result of the debate was delete - both have become empty since this was nominated, so there is nothing left to upmerge. VegaDark 18:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No articles on IRIS Network or Alpha section. Looks to be factions in the video game Beyond Good & Evil. No reason to categorize past the parent category, as it would be far too specific and would not facilitate collaboration further. VegaDark 21:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Users with OTRS access

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The result of the debate was Delete - No need for the speedy rename if deleted. Considering the new policy concerning those with such access, it's probably a better idea to delete this single user category, with no prejudice for it being recreated (with the rename suggestion) if deemed appropriate. - jc37 08:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a rename to Category:Wikipedians with OTRS access. VegaDark 21:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Indeed, I'd prefer not to be listed in too many places. --Kim Bruning 03:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was wondering about this as well. - jc37 08:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who like Fast Food

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The result of the debate was Delete - No consensus to Rename. Feel free to create Category:Wikipedians interested in fast food restaurants. - jc37 08:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares who "likes fast food"? Knowing who enjoys the tase of a particular type of food is not something we need to categorize. At minimum needs a rename to be more encyclopedic, and for proper capitalization. VegaDark 21:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Then we remove it from the userbox and voila!, no non-existant categories on userpages. Picaroon (Talk) 21:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • per Wikipedia:Userboxes#Category inclusion: "Userboxes should not automatically include categories by default." - jc37 08:16, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who live in Chattanooga

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The result of the debate was speedy rename. VegaDark 23:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who live in Chattanooga to Category:Wikipedians in Chattanooga, Tennessee Speedy Rename as nom, per "Wikipedians in X" standardized format (G6 also I believe). -- Huntster T@C 14:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Was originally placed over at WP:CFDS under criteria 4. Perhaps that would appropriate justification here as well. Fits the same formula. -- Huntster T@C 23:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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April 24

Category:Wikipedians who have written an AP Exam

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by the userbox this category is associated with, it is for people who have taken the exam, not written it, in which case it has no encyclopedic benefit. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, VegaDark 19:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedians who Support/Oppose X to Wikipedians interested in X

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The result of the debate was Group-Nominate Category:Wikipedians by politics and its sub-categories for discussion, else feel free to continue this discussion on the talk page. - jc37 09:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See previous UCFD discussions here and here (the first one) on the subject.

There was a strong consensus in these previous discussions that these categories are unencyclopedic and should be merged/renamed to Wikipedians interested in X. The logic was that the "interested in" categories could promote collaboration, whereas support/opponse ones are inflammatory and without purpose. There are tons of these at Category:Wikipedians by politics. Oren0 16:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry if I brought this up improperly. The consensuses at both discussions linked were nearly unanimous and the admins at deletion review told me to bring this up as a bulk nomination here. Oren0 16:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problem. Based on that explanation, I believe that what they were likely suggesting, is to do a "mass-nom" (also known as a group nom). That means to do what you did above, but every category that you wish to have changed (renamed, deleted, merged, etc), needs to be tagged with a banner - such as ((cfd-user)) - to notify all those interested in a discussion about them and then a link to those categories listed with your nomination. Hope this helps. - jc37 11:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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High school categories

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The result of the debate was Merge all to Category:Wikipedian high school students. - jc37 09:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No benefit to Wikipedia from categorizing users this specifically that I can think of. Seems like overcatigorization, and I think all should be upmerged to Category:Wikipedian high school students. Also I should add that there have previously been concerns on having categories specifically for minors, and everyone not a senior generally are. Merging would hopefully avoid this issue alltogether. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Commons users

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The result of the debate was Merge to Category:Wikipedians who contribute to Wikimedia Commons - jc37 10:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant with Category:Wikipedians who contribute to Wikimedia Commons, and should be merged there. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bryce users

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Bryce - jc37 10:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to be renamed to Category:Wikipedians who use Bryce per naming conventions at Category:Wikipedians by software. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Users who have the Ben Bulben award

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete - db-author (below) - jc37 19:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Ben Bulben award is an unofficial Wikipedia award, apparently only awarded to users for working on the Ben Bulben article. Categories by official Wikipedia award is one thing, but categories for unofficial awards can be potentially endless, depending on how many made up awards users create. At minimum needs a rename to conform with naming conventions in Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia award. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians and Potato Skins

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The result of the debate was Delete per consensus, and apparently author (below). - jc37 09:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense category. "This user potato skins". Wha? Is this supposed to mean "This user skins potatos? Either way, unencyclopedic category, and needs a rename at the very least. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is my userbox, when you place an emotion in the piped part of the userbox transclusion, it forwards it into the userbox, so if I put ((User:Rugby471/Userboxes/potatoes|hate)), it would give you
This user hate potato skins

. This is not a nosence category, and if you delete it why are you not deleting the other hunderds of userboxes? Rugby471 16:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I could, I would... – Gurch 17:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As a strong supporter of userboxes in general, I think I can get away with saying that you just made me make a spit take of laughter. - jc37 08:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Look at the red box at the top of the page. Your userbox will be kept, this discussion is only regarding the category. VegaDark 18:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, I only realised that just now ... Rugby471 15:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Myself Wikipedian

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete per author. - jc37 08:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wha? No explaination as to what this category is even for, and the name doesn't make sense. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians formerly in Munich

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How many cities are there in the world? That would be the answer as to how many categories we would allow to be created if this were kept. I don't want to see a "formerly in" category for countries, let alone cities. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who are one of an infinite number of monkeys

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete - per author. - jc37 08:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Funny userbox, but the category is not helpful to Wikipedia in any way. There would be no reason to go through this category looking for users that I can think of. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who survived Hurricane Katrina

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do we want a "who survived" category for every disaster, natural or otherwise? Furthermore, this is an all-inclusive category, as almost the entire population of Earth survived Hurricane Katrina (the category doesn't specify you had to be at risk in order to be in the category). VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well actually, I made the category for those in New Orleans who have been hit bad. I should have been more specific. |: --Xxhopingtearsxx 20:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Users who read Milenio Diario on a regular basis

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians who read Milenio Diario - jc37 09:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs "Wikipedians" instead of "Users", also "on a regular basis" is unnecessary. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • User category standard. All categories are named in the same purpose to main consistency and organization throughout the entire encyclopedia.--WaltCip 10:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, all categories with "Users" in it has been renamed to "Wikipedians", except for babel categories. VegaDark 18:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who have been hacked on Habbo Hotel

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated this for deletion a while back, seen here, but the category became empty during the nomination and was speedy deleted as such. Now it has been recreated, and this isn't technically speedyable since you are only supposed to delete things as a recreation if it still meets the reasons of why it was originally deleted, which this does not since it is not empty. If an admin wants to speedy this since it looks like there would have been a consensus to delete on the original nom, that is fine with me. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:User uz-0

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 09:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

0-level category, which have all been deleted here. Listing for another admin to verify. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian /b/tards

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The result of the debate was Delete - The author apparently also requested the userbox be deleted [4]. - jc37 09:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wha? Looks like a subsection of 4chan, no need to categorize past parent category. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Typical /b/ elitist attitude. /po/ and /ck/ and /y/ are more different in a way, and they can't all have subcategories. Although /b/ may be relevant to more people's interests than the others, it doesn't seem notable enough for its own article. –Pomte 17:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You caught me; I'm an elitist /b/astard with no other agenda than to promote /b/ and scour all mention of any other board from the Interwob.
However, because this is not the place for drama, and you're obviously entrenched in your opinion anyway, I'm not going to attempt to change your mind. Blast [improve me] 24.04.07 1955 (UTC)
  • It also appears there was an AfD on /b/tards, resulting in redirecting it to 4chan. We don't need a category if there is no article on /b/tards. VegaDark 18:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
True, although the section in the 4chan article is rather sparse at the moment. Someone would, if they had a mind to, use the user category for improving it (although that may fall under WP:CRYSTAL—I'm not entirely sure). Blast [improve me] 24.04.07 1955 (UTC)
  • Which "rules" are you referring to? - jc37 11:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedians by former religion

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The result of the debate was Delete all - While each had individual consensus for deletion, some comments in each applied just as well to the other categories, so closing all together. - jc37 09:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians by former religion (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Wikipedians who used to be Catholics[edit]
Category:Wikipedians who used to be Catholics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Wikipedians who used to follow Sathya Sai Baba[edit]
Category:Wikipedians who used to follow Sathya Sai Baba (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete - Do not think these type of categories are needed. ("not" category). ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categories category:critics of Sathya Sai Baba and Category:Former_Scientologists, category:former Muslims exists too.
it is not a "not" category like category:atheist Wikipedians category:non-Catholic Wikipedians Wikipedians]] (not theist) but a "former" category. It cannot be fairly equated to a "not" category like category:Non-Catholic Wikipedians Andries 01:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No really. An atheist is not necessarily a person that once believed in God and now does not, rather, an Atheist is a person that does not believe in God. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I agree, bad example. Andries 01:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Different, how? Are we know in the business of making assessments about different religions? ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's newer and devoted to a living person. Someone who has been a member might have a perspective on this guy that could either be useful or biased, which can matter on articles concerning him. No living Methodist could have known Wesley or the founders of the faith. Granted this could seem like cross-purposes on my placing Category:Critics of Sathya Sai Baba on CfD. However categories refer to articles, not editors, and are about how Wikipedians choose to identify them. So the potential for misuse is greater. Still maybe I was wrong and if a person wants to identify themselves as a former Methodist that should also be their right. (Although I think that's less useful)--T. Anthony 09:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Pokémon Collaborative Project members

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The result of the debate was Speedy Rename G6 - housekeeping. - jc37 17:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pokémon Collaborative Project members -> Category:WikiProject Pokémon members

Speedy Rename as nominator. The Project has changed its name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon. --NThurston 13:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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April 23

Category:Flying Spaghetti Monsterists

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Pastafarian Wikipedians. - jc37 09:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Flying Spaghetti Monsterists to Category:Wikipedian pastafarians
Nominator's Rationale: Rename, Followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are referred to as Pastafarians, as per the article. CA387 11:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I would just like to point out that, should there be a name change, "Pastafarian Wikipedians" would be a much more correct UC name change than "Wikipedian pastafarians".--Ramdrake 13:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agree per VegaDark. --CA387 02:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could we then have Flying Spaghetti Monsterist Wikipedians as a redirect? I would like to ensure nobody mistakes "Pastafarians" for a misspelled "Rastafarians"--Ramdrake 19:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then simply make that clear in the category introduction. - jc37 20:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:User standards compliant

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The result of the debate was delete, but allow for a properly named category that facilitates collaboration to be created in the future, if someone wishes to do so. VegaDark 04:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User standards compliant - If kept, it should have a rename to clarify intent. - jc37 07:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not when a "no consensus" results in keeping a category which still obviously needs a rename at minimum, so I'd support relisting in such cases, or perhaps just being bold and changing it. VegaDark 19:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Right. No consensus = feel free to re-nominate. I just didn't want to relist again. Multiple relistings tend to lead to confusion. So instead I started semi-fresh with a renomination. - jc37 20:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY

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The result of the debate was merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in New York. VegaDark 00:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY - Renomination. While all relevant discussion is welcome, I'd like the question of whether WP:IAR should be invoked for the existance of this category being named in variation to the rest of the Category:Wikipedians by interest sub-cats. Note that the related article I love New York was boldly moved, and the resulting discussion for moving it back resulted in "No consensus", so it currently resides at I love New York. - jc37 07:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fwarn recipients

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The result of the debate was delete. VegaDark 19:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fwarn recipients - Seems unnecessary, and I can't see how this makes anybody's job easier. I do a lot of vandalblocking, and I certainly never patrol this category. – Riana 03:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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April 22

Category:You forgot Poland

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 17:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:You forgot Poland - If anyone has more insight to this than "Huh?", please enlighten me : ) - jc37 14:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Luna Santin. Probably did outlive the joke...~ Giggy! Talk 04:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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April 21

Category:Wikipedians who collect airsickness bags

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The result of the debate was No consenses - jc37 09:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does not aid in collaboration, and seems like a purely nonsense category. Blast [improve me] 21.04.07 0403 (UTC)

Having reviewed WP:BASH I think that some of the pro-deletion entries are relying too heavily on WP:ILIKEIT as justification. Barfbagger 10:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We're all behind you on that one.Barfbagger 20:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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April 20

Category:Wikipedians who know that there IS NO EXIT

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The result of the debate was Delete - For those interested, see also: Wikipedia:Userboxes#Category inclusion. - jc37 07:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does not help Wikipedia in any way to categorize users in to this category. Looks to have been created simply for the sake of associating it with the userbox. VegaDark 09:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I'm not persuaded that user categories that don't assist collaboration are worthwhile. I do acknowledge, however, that some categories can make some kind of a positive contribution to, if you like, the spiritual wellbeing of wikipedians. How do I determine which categories do? I use my sometimes flawed, but always well-intentioned judgement, as I assume other editors do. If I didn't give some credence to the intangible benefits of some categories, I'd have suggested 'delete' for a lot more categories nominated on this page. This category doesn't meet my definition of a useful contribution, hence my suggesting 'delete'.Colonel Tom 04:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But, if there are people wanting to use the category, which is admittedly not harmful, then what does it do to their spiritual well-being to be told, "no, you can't do that" based on someone else's well-intentioned judgment? That sounds like an active damage being done for no tangible benefit. I don't see the value in what appears to those affected as an arbitary exercise of power, making Wikipedia a less pleasant experience for them. -GTBacchus(talk) 04:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, which is the problem. These decisions aren't being made according to any guideline or consensus gained after wide participation. It's just a bunch of people who say "I don't like it" and then delete what they don't like. It really doesn't matter what any persons individual opinion is, what matters are Wikipedia policies, and there simply aren't any about user categories that support these actions. SchmuckyTheCat 23:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who crack boiled eggs on the rounded end

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The result of the debate was Speedily deleted as intentional WP:POINT violation. Naconkantari 20:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC) Obviously not needed. No encyclopedic benefit to categorize users by this characteristic. Looks like it was created as a WP:POINT violation to me. VegaDark 06:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anymoreso than "IDONTLIKEIT" nominations? SchmuckyTheCat 16:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How do you verify that user categories are truthful? Are you going to start asking everyone in Category:Jewish Wikipedians to prove it? How preposterous, it is impossible to verify truth in user categories. SchmuckyTheCat 18:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are organized projects of humor - see WP:RA. Go to those if you want to seek humor. Utterly unencyclopedic and random categories are deleted daily. In fact, unencyclopedic and random anything - see WP:TFD, WP:CFD, WP:AFD, WP:STFD, WP:MFD, etc - are deleted.--WaltCip 13:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd also like to add that there's no way to collaborate about a specific topic using this UC, which is what the system is supposed to provide.--WaltCip 13:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response to comment You're making my point, actually, that we are lacking a place for humour and orginality in Wikipedia except in well-organized projects. Reminds me of the ST:Voyager episode where Seven of Nine had neatly organized one hour of "Fun" into the daily routine of ex-Borg children, oblivious to the fact that "fun" can hardly be planned. Here, if you must, may I then suggest we make a supercategory of Humorous Categories of Wikipedians and that this UC be moved to a subcategory of these? Or is it just that Wikpedia is too serious to entertain a degree of self-derision? Why must every category be utilitarian? I'd hate to think it was this bad.--Ramdrake 13:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This may be a better proposal, if not a total sandbox.--WaltCip 13:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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April 19

Category:Wikipedians who use GNU/Linux

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The result of the debate was Split into two categories. I did a fair amount of reading, both of the article and it's talk page, and several related pages. I also found it interesting that Wikipedia:Naming conflict#How to make a choice among controversial names specifically noted GNU/Linux naming controversy. The most important factor (to me) was that Linux is now apparently used on some handheld devices without GNU, and GNU exists on EMACS without Linux. So I'll create both:

Anyone in both can presume GNU/Linux, otherwise, this allows for choice. Category:Wikipedians who use GNU/Linux will be depopulated and deleted, since there is no way that we can know which of the two new categories a specific Wikipedian wishes to be in, I'll leave it up to each Wikipedian. I'm also going to depopulate and delete the current Category:Wikipedians who use Linux (concerns about the copy/paste creation, among other things). I'm also going to remove the categories from existing userboxes, with a link to this discussion, and a note to add whichever of the two is appropriate. - jc37 10:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Linux.
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Category:Wikipedians who like hot food

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The result of the debate was No consensus to delete. Rename to Category:Wikipedians who like spicy food - jc37 10:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No encyclopedic benefit, food category which we have historically deleted. VegaDark 10:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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April 17

Category:Wikipedians of Greek ancestry

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The result of the debate was no consensus, I recommend a group nom for all "ancestry" categories if nominated in the future. VegaDark 21:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant with parent category, Category:Greek Wikipedians. Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-12 05:18Z


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, VegaDark 01:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians Taking Exams

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The result of the debate was upmerge to Category:Wikipedians who are not currently active. VegaDark 01:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge to Category:Wikipedians who are not currently active, their is no need for a separate category just for exams. TellyaddictTalk 16:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Trekkie

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The result of the debate was Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek - jc37 09:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No indication it is a Wikipedian category, so it needs a rename at minimum, but I don't see how it would be much different than the already existing Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek, so I'd say merge. VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who like the Mirror universe

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The result of the debate was No consensus - jc37 09:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary overcategorization. Are we prepared to have a "who likes" category for every aspect of the Star Trek universe? VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United Federation of Planets Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek - jc37 09:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another case of unnecessary overcategorization per above nom. VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Even More W b W renaming (Minor cases)

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The result of the debate was Speedy Rename per caps. - jc37 18:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Case Issues

Speedy Rename as nom. --NThurston 15:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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More W b W renaming

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The result of the discussion was: rename all (I changed "Wikiproject Hong Kong" to "WikiProject Hong Kong").--Mike Selinker 02:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following cases are the same as discussed in #W b W renaming below:

*Category:WikiProject Munich Members -> Category:WikiProject Munich members Speedy Merge as nom. --NThurston 15:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Rename as nom. --NThurston 14:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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April 16

Category:Wikipedians who think América is a better team than yours

Category:Wikipedians who are fans of Club América

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The result of the debate was Speedy Merge per creator request. - jc37 06:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who think América is a better team than yours
Category:Wikipedians who are fans of Club América
The current convention of Category:Wikipedians interested in sports teams would seem to be "Wikipedian <team> fans", so Merge both to: Category:Wikipedian Club América fans. (Presuming the accurate name of the team is Club América.) Note: The first cat is currently a "redirect" (but not a category redirect) to the second cat. - jc37 06:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedian game programmers

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedian video game developers. This allows for the profession concerns, while removing the problematic word "programmer". - jc37 10:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Category:Wikipedian game programmers to Category:Wikipedians interested in game development - All but one of the category's members is already in the latter category. I don't think that there is a need to make a distinction between the categories in this case. (See also the nomination to rename the latter cat below.) - jc37 00:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wasn't the category last deleted for being too general? People who add themselves to this probably won't know it's meant only for professional programmers, which is hard enough to distinguish (do you have to work for a well-known programming company, can you start your own programming company, do you just need to get paid for programming for someone, etc). Game programming is a good enough distinction, I think, since there are people interested in it. –Pomte 00:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, the last one was renamed to Category:Wikipedians by programming language (and depopulated) since that's what it essentially was last time. I think the category could exist as a "by profession" type category, though. Perhaps you are right that it would be too general, but I think "game" programmers could be too specific. Do we want a category for "accounting software" programmers? "word processing software" programmers? VegaDark 00:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here's the problem with that from a Wikipedia standpoint: It's all-inclusive. - Speaking as one who removed most if not all of the programmer categories from innumerable userboxes, one such was WikiText. Depending on how one defines it, even simply knowing to add the 4 tildes makes you a programmer. Not to mention all the wannabe xml, java script, and visual basic programmers out there. Unless we want to permantently watchdog the cat, we'll likely have confusion, disruption, and simply just upset people. I think we're better off not creating such a cat. - jc37 02:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, that's a good point, I was thinking more along the lines that the category would be used for people who program as their job. Too be honest I'm not sure what to do about this cat then, perhaps merging is a better option. VegaDark 02:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedians by Star Trek series

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The result of the debate was Rename all per the adjusted nomination. - jc37 10:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Category:Trek DS9 Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Rename Category:Trek ENT Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: Enterprise
Rename Category:Trek NF Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: New Frontier
Rename Category:Trek TAS Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: The Animated Series
Rename Category:Trek TNG Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: The Next Generation
Rename Category:Trek TOS Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: The Original Series
Rename Category:Trek VOY Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: Voyager
  • The categories are sufficiently populated for me to oppose upmerging. The parent is the least useful of the bunch due to its size, and could be downmerged if not for the fact that someone could like the entire series. –Pomte 13:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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April 15

Category:Miscellaneous Wikipedian categories

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Miscellaneous Wikipedian categories - How is this different than Category:Wikipedians? - jc37 17:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians from the suburbs

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians from the suburbs - a nice large sprawling vague category : ) - jc37 17:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who play video games

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The result of the debate was Rename Category:Wikipedians who play video games to Category:Wikipedians by video game, and depopulate. - jc37 09:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Category:Wikipedians who play video games to Category:Wikipedians by video game and depopulate as "all-inclusive". - jc37 12:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians interested in video games

Category:Wikipedians interested in game development

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The result of the debate was Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in game development to Category:Wikipedians interested in video game development. - jc37 09:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in video games to Category:Wikipedians interested in video game development - (Rename withdrawn, depopulate as suggested below, instead.)
Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in game development to Category:Wikipedians interested in video game development
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Category:Healthy Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in herbalism - jc37 09:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Healthy Wikipedians - "All-inclusive" category by its name. The introduction is rather vague, since it says: "Wikipedians who prefer natural health remedies to conventional methods, as well as other participants in the Canadian Wikipedians' notice board." - But the transcluding userbox says: "This user prefers to use herbal remedies." - This shouldn't be renamed, but deleted, due to it's confusing inclusion criteria. - jc37 01:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians with a virus

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians with a virus - Too vague in naming, causing it to be all-inclusive. The intention of the category seems to be to be inclusive of those with Hepatitis-C and HIV-positive. (See also: Hepatitis C#Co-infection with HIV.) Hepatitus C is treatable, though with a possibly lengthy treatment duration (up to 48 weeks of treatment). Just as we shouldn't have Category:Wikipedians with tuberculosis (see Tuberculosis treatment), or even Category:Wikipedians with a broken leg (see Bone fracture), we probably shouldn't have a Hepatitus C cat either. - jc37 01:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • XFD is not a vote. Please provide reason for the keep.--WaltCip 20:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • No no no, that'd be Too Much Information! –Pomte 20:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians by collaboration

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia collaboration - jc37 09:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Category:Wikipedians by collaboration to Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia collaboration - More accurate and precise. - jc37 00:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who use dual monitor configurations

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who use dual monitor configurations - I think this falls under Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Non-defining or trivial characteristic. Note: This category had hundreds of members. I was bold, and removed it from the associated userbox, and that left 4 members. - jc37 00:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who use Google

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • PS: Further rationale: Super-duper-mega overcat, and useless; with the exception of a tiny handful of Google-hating cranks, every single Wikipedian qualifies for this category as currently named, to one degree or another, and I'd bet that 98%+ of them qualify to a strong degree. Quite a smaller number qualify to an encyclopedically-valuable level of being intersted in Google, in the sense of being willing to work on articles about Google. I can't, honestly, think of a stronger case for a (non-speedy, e.g. typo fix) rename in UCfD history. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Not sure I see the relevance; the text of a userbox can change at any time, and UCfD isn't about deleting/keeping/renaming/merging/rewording userboxes (see top of page). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just mean the current category name doesn't reflect its intended scope (see the text in the category itself). This is one disadvantage of following convention in every case. –Pomte 15:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Or the scope changed out from under the category, which is often more likely the case; it's much easier to change a userbox (or rescope a cat. with a new UB) than to change the category. :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 15:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, one of the things that is welcome in weighing the "intent" of a category is what is said in the userbox. (I often check the diff of what a userbox "says/said" when the category was added (which is often the first edit). One of our goals should be to retain the intent of a category if keeping it. If we rename and change the intent of a category, suddenly Wikipedians may find themselves in a category in which they may not wish to be included in. We have had issues with that in the past. (For example, when the astrological symbol categories were merged to the "interested in astrology" categories.) Also, remember that when we rename ategories, that means "someone" (often one of the admins active on this page) has to go and change all the user[ages of those in the category, and this may possibly include inactive Wikipedians (who are thus not around to correct an possible error of inclusion). So we have to be very careful with renaming/merging (moreso even than deletion, in my opinion). That said, I agree that changing the text of a userbox can be useful at times. It all depends on the situation. Hope this helps clarify : ) - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who use YTMND

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The result of the debate was No consensus' - jc37 08:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: That's a non-rationale. If I used my astounding powers of mesmerism to convince 100 people to jump off a bridge, would you do it too just to go along? >;-) J. Random Editor's hatnote on a category page does not make a consensus-based actual naming convention just because no one bothers to object until a huge mess has been made as a result of it. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have a feeling that I'll be repeating this as I scroll down the page, but while I understand (and welcome) your exhuberance, and your interest in this POV (which is a valid opinion, whether I agree or disagree), you are straying rather close to personal attacks. Just a friendly request to "tone it down" a bit, please : ) - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Someone please do it then; the salvageable ones need to be "Wikipedians interested in X", or they're just POV fannish woo-hoo!-ing. I'm in the midst of stubsorting and WPP tagging and properly categorizing several hundred articles (see my contribs lately if you don't believe me :-). Can someone other than me please do the group-noms? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Two thoughts: The first is that, personally, arguing the semantical difference between being interested in a topic and liking a topic is a rather subjective fine line. The second is that it's likely not worth the work involved to change them. And third (albeit, perhaps a bit more subjective), I don't see a reason to disallow variation in category naming. Otherwise every subcategory of Category:Wikipedians would follow the "interested in" convention, and I just don't believe that there is consensus for that. - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who like The Phantom Menace

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The result of the debate was No consensus' - jc37 08:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Again, this is not really a defensible rationale; see above at the YTMND entry. Adhering to divisive category names simply because they match other divisive category names is backwards; what is needed here is leadership by example in getting rid of the divisiveness (and fanvertising, and unencyclopedism/non-collaborativeness, and...) PS: Please interpret my ardor about this matter as a wikipolitical commentary on how UCfD is running (in sharp contrast to CfD and SfD, which don't tolerate this kind of stuff at all), not a personal matter in any way.— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's an easily defensible rationale, per my comments above at Category:Wikipedians who use YTMND. (I also disagree with your characterisation of WP:CFD, but I think that's outside the purposes of this discussion : ) - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • As above under the YTMND entry, I'd love to, but I'm waaay swamped right now. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmm, if you limited it to individual films (as you mention above), and not film series, I think I would support such a group nom. - jc37 09:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed, I think film series could have enough articles associated with the category to justify it, but individual film categories, for the most part, would only have 1 or perhaps 2 articles associated with it, which is too few to justify a category IMO. VegaDark 10:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also agreed in principle (though, again, if the wording were changed to the "interested in" structure we insist upon more generally; movie/comic/whatever fans don't get a magic hall-pass.) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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April 14

Category:Wikipedians by membership of other websites

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The result of the debate was speedy merge per creator request. VegaDark 23:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant with Category:Wikipedians by website, and should be merged there. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who know 'x' digits of pi

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unencyclopedic category, no need to categorize users by this. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who enjoy False Colour Representations

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians who enjoy false-colour astronomy representations - jc37 08:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this is for people who enjoy this. My question is, what benefit do we have in categorizing users by this characteristic? At minimum needs a rename for proper capitalization. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who enjoy thinking in four dimensions

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No encyclopedic benefit to categorize users by what dimension they "enjoy thinking" in. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who think Blade Runner is one of the best sci-fi films ever

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians who like Blade Runner. - jc37 08:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously needs a rename to Category:Wikipedians who like Blade Runner per naming conventions at Category:Wikipedians interested in film. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]