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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
There was no reason to delete the entire article history. I am not looking to overturn the AfD result, but seek to have the article's history restored for possible future expansion. I acknowledge, there is an IP editor/sockpuppet who keeps turning redirects into articles after AfD discussions, but we should keep the article history and simply protect the page from being turned into an article by the IP editor or others. There were plenty of keep votes in the AfD discussion, and the problematic editor has been blocked from creating new pages. I'm asking to have the article history restored, but keep the page protected as a redirect. The closing/deleting admin does not wish to comply. See related discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_RuPaul's_Drag_Race#Vivacious. (Sorry for going about this the wrong way initially, I was just seeking help from editors who I knew could point me in the right direction. Thanks!) --Another Believer (Talk) 20:29, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
I tried to discuss this with the closer @Patar knight: on his talk page over a month ago, but he has not responded despite being active on his talk page. I believe that this deletion discussion had several procedural errors, and the consensus was not interpreted accurately. This article is about the same subject as an existing article, Zakarid Armenia, and contains many copyright violations in every revision, which are pointed out in the deletion discussion. This was almost completely ignored in the discussion. The article meets two criteria for deletion (WP:G12 and WP:A10), yet this was largely ignored in the discussion. The majority vote tally cannot be considered a fair consensus, because there was blatant canvassing by a new IP that was later Checkuser confirmed to be Georgiano. All of the users that the canvassing IP invited voted keep. Here is some background on this article's creator, who was soon after permanently banned by @Diannaa: for repeated copyright violations. Georgiano wanted the "Zakarids" in Zakarids–Mkhargrdzeli to be dropped, so he created a new article of the exact same subject over the Mkhargrdzeli redirect. After being reverted several times, he kept claiming the Zakarids were actually a "cadet branch of Mkhargrdzeli" despite the article having sources saying they are the same family in different languages. He then tried to rename Zakarid Armenia to Armenia within the Kingdom of Georgia, but was reverted for having no consensus. The "Georgian Armenia" article is the exact same situation as the Mkhargrdzeli article: Since he couldn't move the page himself anymore, he simply created a new page of the exact same subject with the title he wanted and filled it with copyright violations and unsourced claims. The Georgian Armenia article has even since been renamed "Armenia within the Kingdom of Georgia". Both "Georgian Armenia" and "Armenia within the Kingdom of Georgia" fail all the naming conventions of WP:TITLE. They both fail WP:VER and WP:OR because no reliable sources of either of these titles being used exist; Georgiano made them both up. They are both also not WP:NPOV because it is a biased interpretation (academics sources were provided in the discussion that proved Zakarid Armenia to be largely independent). So both of these titles should be deleted with the article and not turned into redirects. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:33, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it. |