History of Dell – Overturned to merge with the agreement of the non-admin closer. Djm-leighpark, please be more careful with closing AfDs until you have considerably more experience. Sandstein 09:39, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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History of Dell (talk`\|`edit`\|`history`\|`logs`\|`links`\|`watch) (XfD`\|`restore) Every !voter in this discussion favored a merge, although a few at the end discussed a reverse merge instead, but it received a NAC with a keep result. The closer, Djm-leighpark, was previously involved with the article, having de-prodded it (diff). This happened a month ago, but it seems no one brought it here to be rectified. (The AfD nominator, SpuriousCorrelation, tried to directly alter the result, but was reverted by Natg_19, leading to brief discussion here.) ((u\|Sdkb)) ^talk 03:26, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Relist – definitely a WP:BADNAC. WP:NACD is quite clear: "Do not close discussions...for a page in which you have a vested interest". I think deprodding an article, which implies a view on the dispute at issue, is certainly enough to trigger that criterion. (I also think the closure is wrong on the merits, since there seemed to be broad agreement that merger was appropriate, but that's just icing on the cake.) Uninvolved administrators can reverse inappropriate non-admin closes on their own authority – that would probably be the best outcome here. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Comment: (COI - I'm wrting this on a coffee & food attacked Dell Keyboard with a peeling off sticker "orange" on it. Other Workstand/PC stuff including mouse is non-Dell). Had it in my mind what I was going to say but got distracted in my raise of this AfD and debating a 119'er on a possible iffy LFT. From memory, and its somewhat shot regarding COIVD, this was never a zillion years a PROD or AfD but a most valid merge discussion, through from memory SpuriousCorrelation may have been in a big put to lay a PROD/AfD and start a merge discussion. Now lets be totally clear, I deserved to be eating WP:TROUT from here to Christmas with that close, not to mention I used Twinkle/AfDclose for the first time on that close (and failed and I totally blew the close rationale. ... said as much at Special:Diff/1056191045 at the time. I was actually expecting to see a merge discussion, as the merge in either direction was valid but SpuriousCorrelation moved in and did a merge to History of Dell. I maybe did a little fettling on the article after reading, certainingly adding an open library book, but that was AfD close looking back at history. This "History of Dell" section is not CFORKed which is probably the main thing at the moment. The history is interesting from a product and product marketing viewpoint; I did think of getting stuck into it but I'm in enough pie's already and its a bigger job. There's a case for bring back into the main article and with a little expansion there'd be a case for bringing it back out again. The existance of the Dell technologies article needs to be considered in any thoughts as it's the Dell brand name and to an extent the man himself who is notable. TROUT me, take meto ANI and block me, but if relist'ing AfD is not the greatest placeds for discussing merge over the turkey.I hope I'm not closing an AfD like like that again ... attempting to be helpful and get on with it went wrong. Am aware I may be here in two or three hard-boiled AfD's over the Christmas period, but this is a simply a little mash. Hope the background helps. Djm-leighpark (talk) 06:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Overturn to merge, (as incompetent closer with possible vested interest). Djm-leighpark (talk) 06:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply] Overturn to merge: per above. ––FormalDude ^talk 10:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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History of Dell – Overturned to merge with the agreement of the non-admin closer. Djm-leighpark, please be more careful with closing AfDs until you have considerably more experience. Sandstein 09:39, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Every !voter in this discussion favored a merge, although a few at the end discussed a reverse merge instead, but it received a NAC with a keep result. The closer, Djm-leighpark, was previously involved with the article, having de-prodded it (diff). This happened a month ago, but it seems no one brought it here to be rectified. (The AfD nominator, SpuriousCorrelation, tried to directly alter the result, but was reverted by Natg_19, leading to brief discussion here.) ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 03:26, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relist – definitely a WP:BADNAC. WP:NACD is quite clear: "Do not close discussions...for a page in which you have a vested interest". I think deprodding an article, which implies a view on the dispute at issue, is certainly enough to trigger that criterion. (I also think the closure is wrong on the merits, since there seemed to be broad agreement that merger was appropriate, but that's just icing on the cake.) Uninvolved administrators can reverse inappropriate non-admin closes on their own authority – that would probably be the best outcome here. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: (COI - I'm wrting this on a coffee & food attacked Dell Keyboard with a peeling off sticker "orange" on it. Other Workstand/PC stuff including mouse is non-Dell). Had it in my mind what I was going to say but got distracted in my raise of this AfD and debating a 119'er on a possible iffy LFT. From memory, and its somewhat shot regarding COIVD, this was never a zillion years a PROD or AfD but a most valid merge discussion, through from memory SpuriousCorrelation may have been in a big put to lay a PROD/AfD and start a merge discussion. Now lets be totally clear, I deserved to be eating WP:TROUT from here to Christmas with that close, not to mention I used Twinkle/AfDclose for the first time on that close (and failed and I totally blew the close rationale. ... said as much at Special:Diff/1056191045 at the time. I was actually expecting to see a merge discussion, as the merge in either direction was valid but SpuriousCorrelation moved in and did a merge to History of Dell. I maybe did a little fettling on the article after reading, certainingly adding an open library book, but that was AfD close looking back at history. This "History of Dell" section is not CFORKed which is probably the main thing at the moment. The history is interesting from a product and product marketing viewpoint; I did think of getting stuck into it but I'm in enough pie's already and its a bigger job. There's a case for bring back into the main article and with a little expansion there'd be a case for bringing it back out again. The existance of the Dell technologies article needs to be considered in any thoughts as it's the Dell brand name and to an extent the man himself who is notable. TROUT me, take meto ANI and block me, but if relist'ing AfD is not the greatest placeds for discussing merge over the turkey.I hope I'm not closing an AfD like like that again ... attempting to be helpful and get on with it went wrong. Am aware I may be here in two or three hard-boiled AfD's over the Christmas period, but this is a simply a little mash. Hope the background helps. Djm-leighpark (talk) 06:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Overturn to merge, (as incompetent closer with possible vested interest). Djm-leighpark (talk) 06:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Overturn to merge: per above. ––FormalDude ^talk 10:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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