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Doom[edit]

Review commentary[edit]

Notified: User: Fredrik, Wikipedia: WikiProject Horror, Wikipedia :WikiProject Video games.

Fails Criterion 1C blatantly. It has only seventeen references—one of which is in the incorrect format. This is exacerbated by the fact that many of the statements refer to fan consensus anhd other such things that desperately need a source. There are few minor points too, like an excesive external link list and misplacen footnotes. This was listed as an FA two years ago, but I believe that it fails current standards. Note: This is my first nomination for review, so please notify me of anything that I've done wrong. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 19:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Commment "Engine design" is blatant WP:NOR as it has no citations and makes comparsions to Wolfstein 3D, which as of now is based on looking at both games and drawing original conclusions from them. Also, you forgot to make a lame joke (I would have said, "This article is DOOMed" heh heh). hbdragon88 03:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Ahh, golden opportunity missed *cries in background as Hbdragon88 snatches golden opportunity". Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 09:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• On a serious note, four of the images lack fair-use rationales—unless I've overlooked something. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 09:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment Zero cites/references would be a blatant violation of 1c; 17 is not and may in fact be appropriate. Are there specific items in the article not cited that are likely to be challenged? If not, then that particular objection is non-actionable. --mav 01:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hmm, let's see Mav: "Distributed as shareware, Doom was downloaded by an estimated 10 million people within two years, popularizing the mode of gameplay and spawning a gaming subculture;"

• "as a sign of its impact on the industry, games from the mid-1990s boom of first-person shooters are often known simply as "Doom clones"."
• The story has one source, which is the game manual. It also has things like "according to the manual throughout.
• Gameplay isn't referenced at all.
• "When the game design phase began in late 1992, the main thematic influences were the science fiction action movie Aliens and the horror movie Evil Dead II."
• "However, many of his ideas were discarded during development in favor of simpler design primarily advocated by Carmack, resulting in Hall in the end being forced to resign due to not contributing effectively in the direction the rest of the team was going. Most of the level design that ended up in the final game is that of John Romero and Sandy Petersen. The graphics, by Adrian Carmack, Kevin Cloud and Gregor Punchatz, were created in various ways: although much was drawn or painted, several of the monsters were built from sculptures in clay or latex, and some of the weapons are toy guns from Toys "R" Us."
• The engine technology section is not cited at all. It has obvious OR in throughout with its comparisons to Wolfenstein, as Hbdragon88 stated.
• "The development of Doom was surrounded by much anticipation. The large number of posts in Internet newsgroups about Doom led to the SPISPOPD joke, to which a nod was given in the game in the form of a cheat code. In addition to news, rumors, and screenshots, unauthorized leaked alpha versions also circulated online."
• "Doom was also widely praised in the gaming press. In 1994, it was awarded Game of the Year by both PC Gamer and Computer Gaming World. It also received the Award for Technical Excellence from PC Magazine, and the Best Action Adventure Game award by the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences.

In addition to the thrilling nature of the single-player game, the deathmatch mode was an important factor in the game's popularity. Doom was not the first first-person shooter with a deathmatch mode—MIDI Maze on the Atari ST had one in 1987, using the MIDI ports built into the ST to network up to four machines together. However, Doom was the first game to allow deathmatching over ethernet, and the combination of violence and gore with fighting friends made deathmatching in Doom particularly attractive. Two player deathmatch was also possible over a phone line by using a modem. Due to its widespread distribution, Doom hence became the game that introduced deathmatching to a large audience (and was also the first game to use the term "deathmatch"."

I really could go on for much longer. No offence, but I find it hard to believe that this is among Wikipedia's best work. Thank you. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 08:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No offense taken and I don't care about this article. I was just trying to get a specific and actionable reason why this article fails 1c. You have now provided that; hopefully, somebody familiar with the topic will be able to find citations for your examples and similar items in the article. --mav 17:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem; I should have given examples in my summary anyway. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 17:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FARC commentary[edit]

Suggested FA criteria concerns are citations (1c), external links (2), and images (3). Marskell 16:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC) Added images (3) to the list Pagrashtak 22:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Remove: For reasons stated above. Problems are too sizeable to be fixed without a major overhaul of the article. OR throughout. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 17:32, 20 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Remove Problems are still there. Will nobody step upt o save this article from its...doom? Heh heh. hbdragon88 20:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Remove Severely undercited, as stated in the nomination. Some non-free images lack fair use rationale. Pagrashtak 22:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Remove—all of the above. Tony (talk) 11:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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