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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2016 (UTC) [1].Reply[reply]

List of current champions in CMLL[edit]

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Nominator(s): MPJ-DK 21:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it has the quality and level of detail similar to 13 other Featured Lists I have promoted on the topic of CMLL championships. This is the main topic for a potential Featured Topic and every FLC I have been through has helped improve my work, with this being the ultimate result of everything I have learned so far. MPJ-DK 21:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note I moved the article to a new location List of current champions in CMLL and I will move this nomination as well and update the FAC page with the new name.

The first thing that jumps out at me is that "....currently promotes 23 different championships; 12 championships designated as World Champions in various divisions, 5 championships on a national level and 7 championship on a regional level" doesn't add up....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:14, 20 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Woops, poor math skills. They dropped a championship after I started working on the article but before I posted it and I did not get that number adjusted. MPJ-DK 07:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The second sentence in the second paragraph still needs adjusting......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:56, 22 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Adjusted and spelled out. MPJ-DK 21:16, 22 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A proper review from me now......
- "which is also the oldest, still active championship in professional wrestling" => "which is also the oldest championship in professional wrestling still active"
- "The titles branded as "World" level can or have been defended outside of Mexico, the Mexican National championships" => needs a conjunction in the middle, I suggest "whereas the Mexican National...."
- "The regional championships are not promoted outside the area they belong to such as a specific Mexican state, and in the case of the CMLL Arena Coliseo Tag Team Championship not normally defended except in Arena Coliseo in Mexico City until 2016 where it was defended in Japan" - this a very long run-on sentence, I suggest breaking it up, thus: "The regional championships are not promoted outside the area they belong to, such as a specific Mexican state. The CMLL Arena Coliseo Tag Team Championship was not normally defended except in Arena Coliseo in Mexico City until 2016 when it was defended in Japan"
- "One example of was Mephisto holding" - missing word here
- "The Occidente ("Western") championship are" - missing S on championships
- In the tables, "house show" sometimes has a capital H and other times not
- My only other queries would be why the title does not follow the same pattern as List of current champions in WWE. Calling it List of current champions in CMLL would technically be more accurate, as while Atlantis, Electrico, etc, are champions in CMLL, they don't hold CMLL championships per se. Does that make sense?
Hope this all helps, ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Article name - the way I saw it is that they're all "CMLL Championships" as in CMLL controls them, no different than the other list having NXT champions on them so that thought never really entered my mind. As for if it should be "Championships" or "Champions" I have no strong feelings either way, they'd both be correct. Since these are probably the only two "list of current" on Wikipedia it would probably be a good idea for them both to be consistent, I will move it to List of current champions in CMLL and adjust the nomination links. I will address the rest of the issues later today. MPJ-DK 16:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - all looks good now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)
Oppose ~~There has to be a link to Kayfabe, preferably the word "scripted" can go there.~~ I think the pro wrestling article lead does a much better job explaining the fact that professional wrestling is pre-determined, the Kayfabe article is a mess and "jargony", I prefer the PW article The PW article looks fine, I just don't think linking to Screenplay is appropriate here. I reworded it and took the scripted part out currently promotes 23 → as of 2016 promotes 23 Fixed but slightly reworded as World Champions → as World Championships Fixed 6 championship → 6 championships Fixed Being professional wrestling championships, they are → "The professional wrestling championships are" Fixed ~~Why is the font small in side the tables? Let the readers decide what size they want~~ Fixed `\| scope="row"` → `! scope="row"` I tried it, the preview looked odd and I did not like it. I agree it's appropriate for championship histories where the first column is a number, but here it looks weird. It's also not consistent with other "List of current champions in" lists for professional wrestling. I believe it's mandatory per WP:MOS. I cannot see where the "!" part is mandatory? MPJ-DK 00:02, 12 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply] (→)Here--Cheetah (talk) 01:33, 12 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply] Perfect, that helped me find a way to avoid the bold and still get the "!" in there etc. Awesome. MPJ-DK 03:39, 12 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply] The tables should be sortable Fixed There are some names that should be sorted by last name. Fixed and also sorted La Mascara and Maximo so it ignores the accents etc. should all be right now. ~~What's the Template:Portal Bar red link doing at the end?~~ Fixed, it was a typo, should have been "Portal bar" --Cheetah (talk) 02:05, 11 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply] Addressed some, doing some checking on the rest. MPJ-DK 15:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)

Oppose
- ~~There has to be a link to Kayfabe, preferably the word "scripted" can go there.~~
  - I think the pro wrestling article lead does a much better job explaining the fact that professional wrestling is pre-determined, the Kayfabe article is a mess and "jargony", I prefer the PW article
    - The PW article looks fine, I just don't think linking to Screenplay is appropriate here.
      - I reworded it and took the scripted part out
- currently promotes 23 → as of 2016 promotes 23
  - Fixed but slightly reworded
- as World Champions → as World Championships
  - Fixed
- 6 championship → 6 championships
  - Fixed
- Being professional wrestling championships, they are → "The professional wrestling championships are"
  - Fixed
- ~~Why is the font small in side the tables? Let the readers decide what size they want~~
  - Fixed
- | scope="row" → ! scope="row"
  - I tried it, the preview looked odd and I did not like it. I agree it's appropriate for championship histories where the first column is a number, but here it looks weird. It's also not consistent with other "List of current champions in" lists for professional wrestling.
    - I believe it's mandatory per WP:MOS.
      - I cannot see where the "!" part is mandatory? MPJ-DK 00:02, 12 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(→)Here--Cheetah (talk) 01:33, 12 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

- - Perfect, that helped me find a way to avoid the bold and still get the "!" in there etc. Awesome. MPJ-DK 03:39, 12 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- The tables should be sortable
  - Fixed
    - There are some names that should be sorted by last name.
      - Fixed and also sorted La Mascara and Maximo so it ignores the accents etc. should all be right now.
- ~~What's the Template:Portal Bar red link doing at the end?~~
  - Fixed, it was a typo, should have been "Portal bar"

--Cheetah (talk) 02:05, 11 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Addressed some, doing some checking on the rest. MPJ-DK 15:42, 11 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support, the following are not groundbreaking comments, but the ones I'd like to see implemented
- Each section has to have a "As of..." line first.
  - These used to be standard for all championship lists but have been removed a couple of years back. The challege for that is two fold 1) If you put in a static date (as of October 10) then the automatic counters for length of reign is actually wrong because they are always as of "today" 2) if you put in a paramter "As of today's date" then the second someone loses a championship that's actually wrong too, making it seem like it's up to date when it's not. I would prefer to not have that in the list to be consistent with the general professional wrestling championship articles.
    - Well, the reign date can become wrong the second someone loses the title, too. What are you going to do about that?
      - Well I figured that since neither option is ideal I would stick to the general formatting for similar lists, which is not to have the "As of" section. It's not perfect, but it is consistent.
- Footnotes 2, 3, 4 need references
  - They are in the text next to the note, I cannot figure out hoe to get it inside the note
    - Crzycheetah Thank you for updating the notes to the other format, it allowed me to get the citation inside the notes. I did not know of that format but I'll make sure to use it from now on. MPJ-DK 23:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

--Cheetah (talk) 06:58, 12 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:36, 26 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comments Lead image caption is a sentence fragment so no full stop required. Try to somehow rework "...Lucha libre professional wrestling promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre...", see WP:SEAOFBLUE (When possible, avoid placing links next to each other so that they look like a single link...). " area they belong to" -> "area to which they belong". " but in the 21st century.." repetitive, perhaps "but since 2000...." "El Gallo" needs disambiguation. Use consistent date formats for publication dates and for accessdates. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:08, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply] The Rambling Man Thank you for your input and your eye for the details, it is appreciated. I believe I have addressed all of the concerns you voiced? MPJ-DK 21:55, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:36, 26 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments

Lead image caption is a sentence fragment so no full stop required.
Try to somehow rework "...Lucha libre professional wrestling promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre...", see WP:SEAOFBLUE (When possible, avoid placing links next to each other so that they look like a single link...).
" area they belong to" -> "area to which they belong".
" but in the 21st century.." repetitive, perhaps "but since 2000...."
"El Gallo" needs disambiguation.
Use consistent date formats for publication dates and for accessdates.

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:08, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Rambling Man Thank you for your input and your eye for the details, it is appreciated. I believe I have addressed all of the concerns you voiced? MPJ-DK 21:55, 25 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support good list. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:36, 26 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --Pres N 15:14, 29 October 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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