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The result of the discussion was: - Delete - per NFCC#8 - After deciding this, based on the below discussion, I did note that although there is sourced text it is sourced to the depicted magazine and there is no discussion of the image itself in the article - Peripitus (Talk) 22:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Texas_Monthly_1984-10-01.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Halgin (notify | contribs).

• Fails WP:NFCC #8. Since the cover of the magazine is not discussed in the article, the image is not significant to the understanding of the article. Nv8200p talk 00:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The image actually perpetuates a mistaken understanding surrounding this event. The article is about a period when high prices forced demand down, and production of oil fell during this time as well. There were no "Oceans of oil". NJGW (talk) 00:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, the image illustrates a common mistaken understanding that people had at the time of the event, due in part to just this kind of media depiction. It would be better to explain this more clearly in the article, however. Crypticfirefly (talk) 08:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you work on a section in the article along these lines, I'd change my opinion here. NJGW (talk) 09:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the caption for the image, as it is an interesting one and I think makes clearer to the reader what the public perception was. That's all I have time for. But given your observations above, you may be better qualified than I to fix the article. I hope you will take the time to do it. Crypticfirefly (talk) 15:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Derivative work does not qualify as fair use.-Nv8200p talk 23:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Divestiture.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by 718 Bot (notify | contribs).

• Derivative work of non-free images File:Bell_System_hires_1969_logo_blue.svg and File:AT&T_logo_(1984).svg. Jordon Kalilich (talk) 03:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - what is the deletion reason ? the image has a fair-use rationale and appropriate licence. It's a commercially made work by the owners from what I can see and fits with the usual logo use here - Peripitus (Talk) 22:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this is original research. This is not a logo of any actual entity. The fair use claim is invalid because it is lying about the description/source/purpose. -Andrew c ^[talk] 16:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 14:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• I uploaded this file to demonstrate something during the discussion of a template. That discussion's over and this is now an orphan, not encyclopedic and not needed. Deadly∀ssassin 06:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy close author request deletion of orphaned file. NJGW (talk) 06:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Orphaned, no encyclopedic value. JaGa^talk 09:13, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Orphaned, no encyclopedic value. Found at Orphaned images in Category:Self-published work. JaGa^talk 09:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Orphaned, low quality image. JaGa^talk 09:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Orphaned, replaced by File:Oswego.gif. JaGa^talk 09:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Orphaned, no encyclopedic value. JaGa^talk 09:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Orphaned, replaced by File:Shared memory.svg. JaGa^talk 09:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Unused logo, company article has been deleted. Sherool (talk) 14:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Unused, not ensyclopedic (think it's a photoshopped personal photo). Sherool (talk) 14:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Not used, also looks more like a TV or video screencap than a self made photo, the image credit in the corner says it's from "Monster Truck Photo ..." (something or other I can't make out), some fansite I presume. Absent uploaders's only contribution. Sherool (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Not used, orphanded after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoops In The Sun. Absent uploader. Sherool (talk) 15:43, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Not used, orphanded after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoops In The Sun. Absent uploader. Sherool (talk) 15:43, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Unused "free" logo, only used on the uploaders userpage wich was deleted as spam. Absent uploader. Sherool (talk) 15:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: - Delete - While it is clear the image was made in 1889, the only information we have shows it published in 1923 so the licence tag is clearly incorrect and it is not PD-US-1923. Without the name of the copyright holder PD-UK cannot be sustained. As a side note I see that this is a very poor reproduction. I'm sure that someone can get hold of "The Life of Mrs. Humphry Ward by Janet Penrose Trevelyan. London: Constable, 1923" and find out who the copyright holder was and if it was published prior. - Peripitus (Talk) 22:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• This page states that the image was published in 1923, meaning that its PD-US-1923-abroad tag may be invalid. The uploader did not specify a source for prior publication and I can't find any evidence that it was published before 1923. I was also unable to find any information about the author, so PD-OLD can't be used either.

As a side note, the uploader was blocked as sockpuppet of User:DW, who was banned for mass uploading copyrighted images under false license tags. Papa November (talk) 22:49, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Let's think this through. The most important point is that the picture was taken in 1889. 120 years ago. Under US law, if it had never been published it would now be PD because the date the author died is unknown. But it was published, and the lady lived in London which means the picture was most likely taken there. So you need to look at UK law, especially assuming the image was unpublished until 1923. I'm not an expert in UK copyright duration, but I think it is life of the author plus 70 years? 70 years ago is 1938. Note that Mary Ward herself died in 1920 and her husband died in 1926. The book was written by their daughter, and the photo probabably belonged to the family. By 1938, 49 years had passed since the time the picture was taken. Anyone know what the default copyright term under UK law is for a published work where the author's death date is unknown? Becuase if this picture is PD in the UK, then it is also PD in the US. Crypticfirefly (talk) 08:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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