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File:EMD 17APRIL10 001.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Wrong forum. The file is on Commons. Please nominate it for deletion there if you still feel it should be deleted. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:EMD 17APRIL10 001.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by [[User talk:#File:EMD 17APRIL10 001.jpg listed for deletion|]] ([ notify] | contribs | uploads).
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File:Active pfc PSU packaging.png

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Interested editors are encouraged to take up this discussion at Talk:Power factor about whether the image is useful or not in the article, and then return to FFD if the image ends up orphaned. As far as copyright is concerned, if non-free, I believe it might fail WP:NFCC#1 because the same concept could be easily represented textually. So for now, please discuss amongst yourselves. SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Active pfc PSU packaging.png (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by Ariel. (notify | contribs | uploads).
  • Reply:It isn't about copyright or not with this one, it is just what it is. Usually an image is used to illustrate something in the text - but this is just more text. Because there is one section of text highlighted it seems to imply the reader can't understand the same thing in the text so they need an "image" showing the same text - but highlighted. Soundvisions1 (talk) 11:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If we're all in agreement that this image does not meet the standard of creativity to be copyrighted, and so the non-free tag is incorrect and should be replaced, the issue of whether it is helpful or appropriate to include it in the article seems to be something to take up on the article's talk page (because it's a discussion about the content of the article). —Bkell (talk) 20:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are missing the point. Again I say "It isn't about copyright or not with this one, it is just what it is" If you want to discuss its specific use in the article go ahead and start a thread on the article talk page. Remove it from the article and it will become what? An unused orphan. And be sent here as an unused image with no encyclopedic value. Soundvisions1 (talk) 06:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, perhaps I am missing the point, but if so I'm still confused, so please help me understand. First, you say "it isn't about copyright or not with this one"—do you mean that you don't want to discuss the copyright status because it's irrelevant, or that you believe the copyright status is correctly described with the current non-free tag (and so improperly described copyright is not the problem you are raising), or that you believe the image is not subject to copyright due to lack of originality (and so deleting it because of copyright issues is inappropriate), or something else? Second, under the assumption that you do not see a copyright problem with this image, are you nominating this image for deletion solely for the reason that you don't think it's helpful or appropriate to include it in the article? If so, then that discussion can take place on the article's talk page (and if the result is the removal of the image from the article, then the image can be listed here). Having a discussion here about article content usually isn't the right thing to do, in my opinion, because it imposes a five-day deadline for resolution which isn't necessary, the discussion happens in a place that watchers of the article might not be paying attention to, and it dissociates the discussion from the article (imagine rereading the article several months from now, wondering why the image you remembered isn't there any more, and looking for the discussion about it—if it's in the article's talk page, you can find it immediately, but if it's hidden over here at FFD you have to hunt through the article's history to find the link that was added to the image caption). If I am still failing to understand what you are saying, I apologize; perhaps you can try to explain it again. —Bkell (talk) 08:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • you don't want to discuss the copyright status because it's irrelevant - For this image, correct.
  • Having a discussion here about article content usually isn't the right thing to do - If you want to define/re-define the scope of Ffd (Which is, to me anyway, very clear: Files for deletion (FfD) is for listing images and other media files which are unneeded.) you can make suggestions on the FfD Talk Page.
If you still don't understand maybe someone else can explain it better. Soundvisions1 (talk) 22:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:OnceMoreWithFeeling-Mustard.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by SchuminWeb (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:06, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Mytouch4gggg.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Courcelles (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 07:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Mytouch4gggg.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by K.O.K_Kev (notify | contribs | uploads).
I do agree to readding it, but after it was removed a second time it stayed removed. The sole purpose is to provide as visual structre. This image is currently doing that, so i strongly disagree about the pahe's deltionK.O.K Kev (talk) 04:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Visual structure"? What does that even mean? Considering that the phone is now released, this file is absolutely replaceable with a free image. It has been Wikipedia's policy for a long time that if the potential exists for a free image to be created, then we should wait for that to happen and go without in the interim rather than use a non-free image. Therefore, the only option is to delete. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Krampus.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete per F8. Rehman 07:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Iron Maiden - Brave New World - P.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Graeme Bartlett (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 14:09, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Wech Baghtu wedding party destruction.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by SchuminWeb (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 16:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Wech Baghtu wedding party destruction.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by Iqinn (notify | contribs | uploads).
I think you mean mass nomination of copyrighted material. Come on, Iqinn, over the past couple months I must have nominated upwards of two dozen of your images for deletion, due to copyright concerns. All but one were deleted, and that one's currently at deletion review. Honestly, how can you still claim that I have no knowledge of copyright rules? Citing specific policy as a rationale for deletion isn't "Wikilawyering". Swarm X 13:49, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Be ensured that i am very familiar with copyright laws in many counties. Copyright laws and WP:LAWYER are obviously two different things. I have explained to you on various talk pages that there is no problem for us to use the images under fair use. Especially under the DMCA and the fact that we are an educational site. It has been shown in these discussions that you do not have knowledge of copyright laws and you did not show any intention to find a solution to preserve this important content. You could not even name any law that had been violated and name the consequences that this would have for Wikipedia if there would be consequences. These were all highly important images that showed the immense destruction of infrastructure, injured or killed children and women up to war crimes committed by US and western troops in Afghanistan. From the beginning there was no doubt in my view that you would push to delete all of these images that are highly important for us. What ever reason for. These images were testimonies and they all had the highest priority for inclusion in a reliable unbiased encyclopedia. Now as the are gone we can not call Wikipedia unbiased in my opinion Wikipedia now looks like a propaganda tool for US interest that displays hundreds of pro (up to propaganda) US military images released by the military itself and on the other side the already very few images that show the other site of the conflict with hundreds of thousands of killed or injured civilians and massive destruction to these countries infrastructure and human life have been excised. IQinn (talk) 00:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just pointing to a policy should be avoided WP:JUSTAPOLICY. Why does it fail WP:NFCC#8? The image significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic. IQinn (talk) 01:01, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I felt like repeating myself because this is one of a series of similar fair-use claims I consider meritless but I apologize for not being clearer: removal of the picture would not be detrimental the understanding of the article subject because it merely features unidentified people standing on rubble two days after the incident. This could have been taken anywhere in Afghanistan where a house was bombed. Hekerui (talk) 20:34, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • FWIW, I agree with this as well. Swarm X 11:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply:Many things are wrong with that. First of all, E.P.A is not located in Afghanistan, it is located in Frankfurt, Germany. Second, the image is from a commercial content provider. Period. Third this is a press agency and material they offer for sale is not "work of Afghanistan" as you feel (So I have removed the PD tag you placed on the image). Did Wikipedia pay for it? No. As such it means it is also a copyvio per policy. Period. Your denial of the CSD F7 speedy tag is a bit shocking. The "where it was taken" does not matter in this case - or are you implying that every single piece of video and/or film shot at any time in Afghanistan and being offered by any media outlet is in P.D? If so you are mistaken. Soundvisions1 (talk) 21:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Soundvisions is correct. By Graeme's logic, any photo or video taken by a western press agency in Afghanistan is in the public domain! Visiting American and European photographers would have no rights to any of their work, just because they took the photos in Afghanistan. In truth, they couldn't copyright their photos in Afghanistan, but they could copyright their photos in their own country. The template is completely wrong. It's not a work of Afghanistan (which would mean, for example, the Afghan govt or a work whose owner lives in Afghanistan), it's a work of the EPA which is located in Germany. Germany, obviously, does have copyright laws. Swarm X 22:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Džemal Bijedić.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Rehman 14:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Džemal Bijedić.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by Trust Is All You Need (notify | contribs | uploads).
Its fair use, whats unknown about it?
Copyright holder, copyright status... --Damiens.rf 04:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It has copyright information as well as a source. I don't quite see how the copyright status is unknown. Swarm X 05:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, keep it. Now it's fixed. --Damiens.rf 13:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Lahore Zoo logo.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as G7 by Courcelles (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 13:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Lahore Zoo logo.png (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by Donlammers (notify | contribs | uploads).
If this will speed up the process, please go ahead and delete my version if it's been superseded by a newer file (though it probably would have been easier all around just to upload the new file over the old). Donlammers (talk) 01:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. G7'ed. Actually, we would have had to delete the old version eventually, even if the same filename had been used. Courcelles 11:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:FellowsGearShaperPlant-New.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete, per convincing argumentation by nominator and Schuminweb, and in the absence of a convincing case having been made about concrete significance. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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[Content from that talk page is now being moved to here per advice from FFD-non-novice.]

Value of this image in Edwin R. Fellows
Keep. Fellows was a lowly draughtsman when he realized that not only gears were being made poorly, but he had a much simpler, more effective and elegant means to manufacture them. He had no engineering training, beyond what he picked up on the job, yet his idea became the tool that allowed the mass-production of automobiles with their intensive use of gearing. The article shows the first machine and the modest size of the plant in which it was manufactured. In the absence of production records, the image of the plant (depicted here) at the end of WWII demonstrates the degree to which the business had grown to meet the demand for gear-cutting machinery, both in support of the war and of the automotive industry. Without the image, the reader would have a much poorer sense of the substantial impact of Fellows and his invention. User:HopsonRoad 21:12, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Absolutely agree with the rationale above, and with the points listed in the "Fair use rationale" box. No one is losing any sales revenue at all by this low-res image being on Wikipedia. Meanwhile, it is the best "worth a thousand words" way to succinctly show how big the business was at mid-20th century. This company is highly notable in the history of manufacturing because of the influence of its machine tools that were used at many other companies. — ¾-10 02:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Who's allowed to close these XFD actions, and how is it done? Is it a matter of wrapping a template subst'd around this discussion ("archived...do not modify..." etc) and deleting the tag off the file? Rather than me wasting time hunting for this, can someone who already knows just point me to the answer? I need to close this action, since this discussion has fizzled out in favor of "keep". Thanks. — ¾-10 19:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They're closed by an uninvolved admin after 7 days. PhilKnight (talk) 20:58, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:AaronBioPic.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by SchuminWeb (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:01, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:La Méditation Sensuelle.gif

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by SchuminWeb (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:01, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:La Méditation Sensuelle.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by Kmarinas86 (notify | contribs | uploads).
I appreciate the work you have put in toward improving the article. But I agree with Sandstein that we do not need to include the copyrighted cover of this book in our article in order to clearly and freely convey information about Raëlism's views of sex. If the book is important, we can mention it and discuss its contents or its message perfectly well without having to show its cover. Since the image of the cover of the book is copyrighted and is not available under a free license, we should not include it. —Bkell (talk) 04:20, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"But I agree with Sandstein that we do not need to include the copyrighted cover of this book in our article in order to clearly and freely convey information about Raëlism's views of sex." It makes it clearer. Shouldn't increasing clarity, however minuscule the percent increase of clarity, still count?Kmarinas86 (Expert Sectioneer of Wikipedia) 19+9+14 + karma = 19+9+14 + talk = 86 15:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We are trying to make a free encyclopedia—an encyclopedia of free content that anyone can use for any purpose. (See the third of the five pillars of Wikipedia, which describe Wikipedia's fundamental goals.) The cover of this book is not free content—it is copyrighted and is not available under a free license. Including it in the article directly contradicts our goal of building a free-content encyclopedia. We certainly shouldn't undermine one of our foundational goals by including non-free content that provides only a minuscule increase in clarity. —Bkell (talk) 18:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by SchuminWeb (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 02:01, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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