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File:Radio Free Sarawak logo.jpg

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File:Radio Free Sarawak logo.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Bobk (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unlinked locally, PNG version available at Commons:File:Radio_Free_Sarawak_logo.png. Cube00 (talk) 03:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Anthology cover collage.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. TLSuda (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Anthology cover collage.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by GPHemsley (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Homemade(?) artwork using copyright material. Artwork created by someone other than the copyright holder to make a statement about an individual or individuals, and not relevant to the article. Dinkytown talk 03:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Hearts XP.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete "With free content defined as content that does not bear copyright restrictions on the right to redistribute, study, modify and improve, or otherwise use works for any purpose in any medium, even commercially" as defined by WP:NFC, this is not free content. With that said, there are not sufficient arguments in policy in this deletion discussion to validate use without breaking NFCC #3a or #8. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 23:02, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • The closing admin expanded on the close at User talk:DeltaQuad/Archives/2014/August#Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2014 August 16#File:Hearts XP.png. Cunard (talk) 01:42, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
File:Hearts XP.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Themodernizer (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This was previously deleted after being nominated for deletion for the following reason: "Used against WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#3 because we already have File:Hearts 7.png." Following discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 August 8, the discussion is relisted because of the previously limited participation in the deletion discussion. This is a procedural nomination and I am neutral.  Sandstein  10:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi. If you keep ignoring the condemning words, well, yes, your analysis would be right. Except NFCC #1 mentions replacement of the image with text alone. Dogmaticeclectic practically demonstrated above that it is possible. NFCC #8 says signficantly increase the understanding, not showing the changes. (Show the changes with text alone.) Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 11:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Who said anything about improvements? WP:NFCC is a stringent policy that is made because of dire need, not to make Wikipedia more fun or more beautiful. NFCC violation is actually an avenue of speedy deletion with ((di-fails NFCC)). In addition, unlike what you said, I don't see a permission registered with OTRS system; but again, as long as it is non-free it make no difference. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 15:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • ((Microsoft screenshot)) documents a permission from Microsoft for using Microsoft screenshots. I assume that this is what the user refers to. Unfortunately, the permission in ((Microsoft screenshot)) is not sufficient to treat the files as free files, and files with ((Microsoft screenshot)) are therefore still subject to the limitations in WP:NFCC and subject to deletion if the limitations aren't satisfied. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The actual permission is here. Given that we do have such unequivocal permission to use the image, deleting it doesn't benefit the encyclopaedia in the slightest. I believe the pretext for wanting to delete it is because some Wikipedians find non-free content ideologically unsound.—S Marshall T/C 16:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The pretext to deleting it is that the foundation mandate that the project is based as far as practical to use free content, and that non-free content is only used in limited circumstances (Foundation resolution on such). The resolution requires projects wishing to use non-free content implement an exemption doctrine policy. EN wikipedia have that in the form of WP:NFCC, in order to be in line with the foundations requirements that policy needs to be followed. That you disagree with the foundation about the basis of the project which they sponsor is not a reason to ignore it. It's been suggested previously if you aren't happy with the basis of the project as heavily favouring free content, you try and get the foundation to change it's view, I guess you've had no luck so far. --86.2.216.5 (talk) 20:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Wikimedia Foundation's resolution on this appears coherent and reasonable to me and I would not take issue with it. My position is that there's a mismatch between the Wikimedia Foundation's resolution and Wikipedia's non-free content criteria. The mismatch is specifically in the area of images we have permission to use. I understand and agree with Wikipedia's stance on commercial images where we don't have clear permission to use them. But where we do have permission, I think our current rules are unnecessarily obstructive and there's room to fix them.

    Specifically I feel that where two tests are satisfied, being (1) that a good faith user wants to use images in a relevant encyclopaedia article and (2) that we have clear evidence that the user has a good faith permission to use that image then (3) we should be able to host that image on Wikipedia. I believe that to allow image files in these circumstances would be consistent with the Wikimedia Foundation's resolution that you linked above, and that Wikipedia's failure to allow for permitted use in the non-free content criteria is myopic.

    I have other thoughts about the way Wikipedia treats Crown Copyright media as if it were the same as commercially copyrighted media as well, which aren't relevant to this discussion. Experience with Wikipedians tells me I'll probably to be told to take these arguments to RfC. Since I've now largely recovered from my two-year crusade to rid our policies of "verifiability, not truth", I probably do have the stomach to begin that shortly, but I will just pre-empt that predictable point by saying that our policies are supposed to document our practice rather than govern it, so a change to practice could come first. It follows that it's reasonable for me to make the case in this FfD discussion and not just at RfC.—S Marshall T/C 21:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Whether it's enough is a matter of opinion. I know it's fashionable to talk about NFCC#3 and NFCC#8 as if they were simple objective tests that can be passed or failed, but if you read them, they aren't. Read them. They're matters of discretion and judgment and they allow for shades of grey. If you think Ahmer Jamil Khan's view is wrong, then surely there's an onus on you to explain why your opinion that NFCC#3 and #8 are failed in this case should outweigh his view that they're passed. Isn't there? It would be nice if this FfD could move from contradiction to discussion.—S Marshall T/C 10:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi, Marshall. It is the wrongest place to invoke discrete judgment because discrete judgment is the one thing that is overlooked. For one thing, both you and AJK ignored NFCC outright, let alone apply discrete judgment to it. But if discrete judgment is what you want, here it is: For a person who does not know what is a game of Hearts, (our optimal audience) both screenshots are equally baffling and unnecessary. (Now, it is a matter of fashion that each article must have one image.) Also discrete judgment says information, (text or image) must have due weight. It is against discrete judgment to tell a person who doesn't know about the game itself that one of them uses dot as card indicator! Or to use something just because you can. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 12:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • If by "fashionable" you mean that it's normal for articles to have images, then yes, of course. Relevant images normally enhance the reader's understanding of the topic, so it's better to include them. I think these images are central to the topic being discussed, and I don't see any reason why users would find them baffling or unnecessary. In fact, I think someone looking up the game of hearts on Wikipedia would expect to see images of games in progress and would be surprised if these were absent.

    I've just looked up other game-related and software-related articles. As a random sample, I went with chess, go (game), cribbage, Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word. I see that it's perfectly normal with Wikipedia game articles to have images of games in progress and with software articles, to have images of different versions of the software.—S Marshall T/C 13:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello again. Thanks for confirming my statement with examples; I had faith in its accuracy. It appears off topic, but duly noted. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 22:01, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Pat1908.jpg

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File:Pat1908.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by 5shot (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Could be copied to Commons, but I don't see the point. Just a drawing from a random patent; nothing special or encyclopedic about it from what I can see. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of a number of images uploaded by the same editor and used in this edit. None are in use anymore. They may have had some use back in 2006, but none serve any purpose now. --AussieLegend () 19:15, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Mc at Work.jpg

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File:Mc at Work.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Dpetranker (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This person appears to be the self-proclaimed "mascot" of the Cronulla Sharks sports team. See User:Mchammerhead. As such, the picture is somewhat unencyclopedic. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Mc Hammerhead and Razorback Jack.jpg

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File:Mc Hammerhead and Razorback Jack.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Mchammerhead (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This person appears to be the self-proclaimed "mascot" of the Cronulla Sharks sports team. See the uploader's user page. As such, the picture is somewhat unencyclopedic. — This, that and the other (talk) 12:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Aliconazole chemical structure.png

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File:Aliconazole chemical structure.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by RichardsonsRSC (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Un-needed and unused: lower quality (CHEM MOS) than File:Aliconazole.png on commons DMacks (talk) 18:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Alifedrine structural formula.png

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Un-needed and unused: lower quality (CHEM MOS) than File:Alifedrine.png on commons. DMacks (talk) 18:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Simpsons-Guy.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Still a keep. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 23:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

File:Simpsons-Guy.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by StewieBaby05 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This still fails WP:NFCC#8 - it can easily be described with words. Peter and Homer both have their own articles with images - there is no need for this one. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 18:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated it again because I didn't notice there were comments on the first one until it closed. I'm going to address them now - the image needs critical commentary to be justified. Right now it's just a picture of two people - and the keep votes on the first nomination are greatly overexaggerating its usefulness. It is clearly easy to picture two characters (who have articles with pictures) together. There is no justification for a fair use image that can easily be described by text. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 02:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You don't get to start another deletion discussion just because you didn't think to keep track of a deletion discussion that you started. Really, that's your fault for not paying attention. Your nomination then argued that it was "just a picture of two characters" but that was addressed 7 days before the discussion closed, so you had plenty of time to respond. --AussieLegend () 05:03, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please address how this meets WP:NFCC. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 15:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No. You had time to discuss this a few days ago. The discussion ended in KEEP. This bad nomination should be closed. You aren't allowed to game the system. Dream Focus 15:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hardly gaming. Explain why you think it meets WP:NFCC. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 15:50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It shows a notable event, covered in the news media, of these two characters getting together. I just added a couple of reliable sources to the article its featured in that demonstrate this. [4] Dream Focus 13:02, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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File:111 wendy msellen.gif

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File:111 wendy msellen.gif (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Sfufan2005 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free image being used as decoration. There is no critical commentary and there is also nothing here that absolutely requires a fair-use image. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 19:03, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Butt Out scene.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Sfufan2005 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free image being used as decoration. There is no critical commentary and there is also nothing here that absolutely requires a fair-use image. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 19:04, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Un-needed and unused: lower quality (CHEM MOS) than File:Alentemol.svg on commons. DMacks (talk) 19:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Un-needed and unused: lower quality (CHEM MOS) than File:Acronine.svg on commons. DMacks (talk) 19:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Muhammad Junaid Chheenah.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Zaheer Ahmed Gujjar (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused personal image uploaded by blocked sockmaster INeverCry 20:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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unused personal image uploaded by blocked sockmaster - I've deleted the version on Commons INeverCry 20:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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