Boeing 787 Dreamliner

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Result: Consensus is for delisting DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 09:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The short review for this article which was done by AlanZhu314159265358979 (who has made just 28 mainspace edits) misses a number of errors, including some dead links, and as noted here by BlueMoonset, a number of prose errors. The article deserves a much more thorough review. Jc86035 (talkcontribs) Use ((re|Jc86035)) to reply to me 08:35, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from BlueMoonset

It's clear that a great deal of work has gone into this article, and it deserved its B-class rating. The GA requirements are quite specific, however, and at the moment it does not meet some of these requirements, and therefore should not have been promoted.

I do not have time to do a thorough review, but there are clear issues with the first GA criterion, "Well-written". In particular, I've found a number of places where the "prose is clear and concise" and "spelling and grammar are correct" requirements are not met, and some significant departures from the manual of style with regard to the lead section.

1a. prose and grammar

Some examples of problematic sentences or phrases:

1b. lead section

A number of non-trivial facts in the intro are nowhere to be found in the article, which is a clear violation of WP:LEAD. These include:

All of these "Well-written" issues need to be addressed. If they aren't in a reasonable time period, probably the best thing to do would be to delist it; it can be renominated for GA once they have been—I'd recommend asking GOCE to check it, and maybe even request a peer review—and with any luck will get a thorough and competent review. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:06, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The "At this time" sentence follows a sentence with a date. This should be clear if read together. The extensive use of composites is stated and cited in the "Design phase" sub section and implied in the Design section later. I'll try to clarify and cite these better. -Fnlayson (talk) 14:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Fnlayson, I'm glad that someone's willing to take this on. Thanks. The point about "At this time" is that these are facts in the intro that are not in the rest of the article, a clear violation of WP:LEAD; Good Articles must adhere to the lead section guidelines. The problem is not what that time was—this is not a clarity issue, but a GA requirement issue. Thanks for the impending composites clarification; the key here is the "first...to use composite materials as the primary material" statement, which would need sourcing to back up the "first" part as well as the "primary" part, though I seem to recall that "primary" was covered already. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:34, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand the Lead & cite issues. I was trying to address the well-written issues you mentioned above and in earlier sections of this review. But I see your point now and will work on it... -Fnlayson (talk) 01:39, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Result

It's been well over a month, and every single one of the 1a. issues remain unaddressed. With such clear prose issues, there's only one possible conclusion to this reassessment, and indeed, if this had been a non-group one, I'd be closing it as such today: