List of Tranmere Rovers F.C. players

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I'd like to get this article up to WP:FL standard, and would appreciate any pointers in that direction. Cheers! U+003F^? 14:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Brianboulton comments: Not a lot to say, really, just to few points:-

• Compared with other player lists that I've seen at FL, yours appears somenwhat minimalistic. Other tables include columns for nationality (with appropriate flags); international appearances (maybe not too many of these at Tranmere), captaincy etc.

 Done I'll compare the list to the featured List of Watford F.C. players. Adding international honours is a good idea, though there aren't many who qualify. I'd prefer to avoid a nationality as it's just not known in many cases. Captaincy would be worthy of its own table, but I haven't found a list of captains anywhere. U+003F^? 15:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• In terms of presentation, your table looks a little cramped. Compare it with those of other player FLs; a little more generosity in column widths can make a big visual difference.

 Done At least with regards the years column. 16:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

• "They played their first game under the name Belmont F.C" - should this be "games"?

 Done 18:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• "Tranmere have played in the Football League since, with..." Needs either "ever" before "since", or "then" after.

 Done 18:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• Do the figures include the 1945–46 FA Cup competition, in which matches were played on a non-standard (two-legged tie) basis?

Yes. Does this need to be clarified? U+003F^? 15:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• "league consecutive appearances" → "consecutive league appearances"

 Done 18:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• Might it be worth mentioning that in between 1939 and 1946 Tranmere continued

 Done 18:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• Suggest rephrase to clarify that it was Accrington, not Tranmener, that resigned from the league.

 Done 18:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• Who is "Neil Brown", and why should he be considered a reliable source?

 Done 18:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

That's as much as I have. Brianboulton (talk) 14:00, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to review your umpteenth article for me. U+003F^? 18:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

• General, article title probably needs (100 or more appearances) in it.

✗ Not done Isn't the normal procedure to not append that to the title of the main article? For example: List of Manchester United F.C. players, List of Manchester United F.C. players (25–99 appearances), List of Manchester United F.C. players (fewer than 25 appearances). 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I just finished reviewing Liverpool players with fewer than 25 apps so that's why it was in my mind. Leave it to the FLC! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Link Prenton Park.

 Done 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• "was in 4th place in the" -> "was fourth in the"

 Done 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• "then the second tier " reads a bit naff, maybe "which, at the time, was the second...."

 Done 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• Link full back in the lead.

 Done 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• "entire playing career" -> I'm sure we have an article for these legends... Maybe (if true) mention Bell also was such a player.

 Done Though Bell finished his career at Holyhead Town. 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• "player-manager" has an article I believe...

 Done 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• " but these results are also omitted" can you explain why?

 Done 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• Jimmy Moreton's years say 1913- but the caption (and his article) say he joined TRFC in 1910... did he not play for three years?

I've clarified this in the key. Moreton joined the club in 1910, but first played in a relevant competition – here the FA Cup – in 1913. But this now seems confusing; would it make more sense to give years at the club where available (as per Soccerbase), but otherwise give years of service (following the 1921-1997 source)? U+003F^? 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I can't see where international players are referenced for those you use Soccerbase to cite...

 Done (where not in the book) 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• I would be tempted (tempted... but wait for FLC) to remove the ref column which is mostly blank and directly ref the player when you use Soccerbase.

OK I'll sit on this for now. U+003F^? 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I un-sat on this. Using a book source from 2009 meant very few Soccerbase refs were necessary, so I went ahead and removed the column. U+003F^? 18:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Likewise, tempted to put centrally aligned en-dashes for all players which aren't internationals rather than all those blank cells.

 Done 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• Thirdwise, tempted to identify captains if you can do so with appropriate reliability. I don't think a separate captain's list is worthwhile.

✗ Not done I can only reliably do this for the past 10-20 years. Is this partial coverage worth including? 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Nah, captain is almost meaningless to be fair. I think my lot have had two or three captains this year already. No longer really of any note.... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Mahon (for instance) has a Soccerbase end year of 2011, not 2010... is that end year supposed to be the last time they played or when they left the club? There's no key so I'm not sure, and right now (in that case) the source doesn't back up the text.

 Done Ooops. Undoubtedly a few errors like that have slipped through the net. I'll rerecheck. 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• Check Eric Nixon's years, something odd there...!

 Done 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• A lot of spare space down the right-hand side, more photos are available....

I'll dig some more out. 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Hope some of that helps. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a bunch! I have a copy of The Complete Record in the post that covers 1884 to 2009 and should help with the clunkiness of current multiple sources. U+003F^? 11:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Eddie6705 (talk · contribs)

• I would move the line "Statistcis for current players are correct to the end of the 2010–11 season" line to the end of the preceding paragraph.

 Done 12:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

• May be worth putting the current players in bold so they are easier to spot. If you do so a line stating this would need to be added to the "This list contains" paragraph.

 Done 12:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

• I think the first two lines in the references section would be better placed in the notes section, possibly with a footnote placed at the top of the reference column.

 Done 12:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

• There are a lot of red links to players in the list, and these will need to be reduced to a minimum in order to pass FL. I know sometimes its tricky to get a lot of information on earlier players, but a referenced stub article on a player is enough.

There's at least the basic info available for all these players such as D.O.B. and playing position. Enough for a stub, though often no more. I'll get onto this. U+003F^? 12:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done (eventually!) U+003F^? 15:08, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know its only brief, but the finer points can be smoothed out during FL if you do wish to take it there. Eddie6705 (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking through. I'll work on the red links, then give FLC a punt. U+003F^? 12:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]