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O'Higgins Circunscription

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 20#O'Higgins Circunscription

Queen's Award for Enterprise: Sustainable Development (Environmental Achievement)

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia-only invention. This form is never used for the Award, and is not a likely search term. Fram (talk) 14:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that round about now is a good time to read WP:RFD#HARMFUL. To make it easier for you I draw your attention to this sentence
Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
Consider creating only redirects for terms that are really in use. Fram (talk) 17:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Garbage redirects are harmful because they create clutter and invite indirect linkages which otherwise wouldn't be created. Worrying about historical linkages is pointless because unless you're using internet archive, you aren't seeing the historical version of the article anyway. It would be nice if the interface supported that but it doesn't. Mangoe (talk) 21:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We maintain redirects in order not to break the Internet. There is no such thing as "clutter", in terms of database entries we have created at least 10 new entries discussing this one, most of them sizeable: Redirects are very cheap, wasting time discussing basically good ones is not. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
There is of course such a thing as clutter, as you would find out by entering my shop. And "cheap" is at this point a very dated notion. We could set bots loose trying to create every random misspelling of every entry here, and the resulting mass of links and disambig pages would vastly outnumber actual articles. It would make just as much sense to delete all the misspelling redirects automatically since their utility has largely passed. Mangoe (talk) 23:51, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There are more redirects that articles, and quite rightly so. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:59, 10 May 2014 (UTC).
In terms of "cheap" this discussion has already consumed a raw 2Mb of space, compared with about 1k for the redirects - which is not regained by deleting them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:29, 10 May 2014 (UTC).
Commment. I'm with Mangoe. It is not a question of how many bytes, but how much we waste readers' time sending them to the wrong place: WP:SURPRISE comes in to play. Sometimes, it is better to delete a redirect to make it easier for a reader to find what they are looking for. Si Trew (talk) 14:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Natinal Geallery

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:22, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely double typo Fram (talk) 14:25, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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CCC Erfa Ulm

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Intercaluary day

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Mr. MIchael Angelo Titmarsh

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by Athaenara as WP:CSD G6. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 01:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely typo. The version with the lowercase "i" in Michael will probably be sufficient. Fram (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Bournw identity

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely typo, no indication that this happens any more often than any of the other thousands of similar possible typos for this search term Fram (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Jendre

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by Sphilbrick as WP:CSD G7. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 02:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely misspelling. Fram (talk) 12:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Documented in the literature. Please do better fact checking. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:12, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
Rich Farmbrough, for the umpteenth time, could you perhaps provide some evidence for your claims? You are claiming that "jendre" is documented as a variant of "genre" in "the literature" (whatever that may mean here). Fine, that could well be true, but when challenged, like here, the WP:BURDEN is on you to provide evidence for your claims. Fram (talk) 13:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BURDEN does not apply to redirects. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
Since when? In any case, without evidence, your claim is totally empty and should be disregarded. Fram (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is up to you to show that this redirect is harmful. We only delete redirects that re very new or harmful. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
It was created on 18 april 2014, that's hardly old... Fram (talk) 17:10, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Eithe genoimen

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:16, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a "page name in Greek" or a pseudonym, this is a small part of a poem by Brooke, which was earlier used in a poem by Plato. I don't think it makes sense to start redirecting fairly random pieces of poetry to poets, certainly not when the same "sentence" (two words) is used by multiple famous poets. Fram (talk) 12:10, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good,make it into a disambiguation page then. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:15, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
What, "Eithe genoimen" is a combination of two words used by two poets? That would be an interesting disambiguation... Fram (talk) 12:18, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well ideally, and I think fairly (pace Plato) it would redirect to The Old Vicarage, Grantchester, a very important poem deserving of its own article. The would discuss both the source and influence of the poem. There are at least three widely used quotations, and probably half a dozen reasonably widely used ones Strong men have blanched and shot their wives'. If you think that the redirect has to wait for the article to be written, then you are , of course, entitled to that view. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC).


Make that article, then. Si Trew (talk) 14:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In general, a redirect has to wait for the target article to be written, yes. Note that this line isn't included in e.g. The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, despite having 6 other quotes from the same poem. Note also that of the 9,000 books mentioning this poem[1], only 5 mention this line[2]... Fram (talk) 13:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, only reasonably widely used. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:16, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
Excuse me? I have three versions in print of the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations; the Collins Book of Quotations, Muir's Humourous Quotations, The Guinness Book of Humourous Quotations, and several others. Now it is hard to prove a negative but do you want me to provide you with quotation? Or why don't you do your homework for a change? Si Trew (talk) 15:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's not in Greek. It's written in the Latin alphabet instead of the Greek alphabet: in what sense is it Greek? We have had numerous discussions lately about foreign-language redirects and most have gone Delete though I have argued for a couple to be kept (and I think lost both). Si Trew (talk) 14:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I might have a look at doing the poem, is it mentioned at Jeffrey Archer who bought the Old Vicarage, Grantchester? "Stands the clock still at ten to three, and is there honey still for tea?" I am surprised it hasn't an article, but it hasn't, WP:NOTFINISHED. I haven't the reference books on me to do this properly, though I can access Cambridge libraries both public and University (though I went to a redbrick) and contribute to the Cambridge Folk Museum so that is not a problem – being 1,000 miles away from Cambridge with all my books in store rules me out from starting the article, otherwise I would just get on with it, as I and other editors did with Gray's Elegy in a Country Churchyard (which similarly is not technically an elegy), and we got it to GA but then I think lost it, but it is GA again, but to which this could in a way be considered analagous. Si Trew (talk) 07:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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P D J F de P J N M de los R C de la S T R y Picasso

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 04:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence that this form has even been used by Picasso or by any source referring to him. Very unlikely search term... Fram (talk) 11:53, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Used at Artistic things (with less spacing). All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:01, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
Could you, in general, please provide some reference when you make such statements? They aren't always easy to find or verify. In this case, nope on all accounts as far as I can tell. Artistic Things used [3] "PDJF de PJNM de los RC de la STR y P" (ending in P, not in Picasso!, plus like you said with different spacing as well), so your redirect is not even used there; and apart from that, it was a joking question, not a real alternative name for Picasso. Not everything that appears anywhere on the web in a somewhat similar form should be created as a redirect here. Fram (talk) 12:16, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK I didn't realise you were joking. P stand for "Picasso" here, btw. That's the third P, the first stands for "Pablo". The second one is "Paula". You might think Paula is a girl's name, but in this case it isn't. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:24, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
???I wasn't joking, Artisticthings was. It was not a real "I encountered this mysterious name on a a painting, can anyone tell me who the artist is" kind of question. The remainder of your reply has no bearing at all on whether this redirect should be kept or not. OF course the artisticthings letter thingy points to Picasso, that's rather obvious. That still doesn't explain why we should recreate that one-off from their site here, and it explains even less why we should have a different one, which has the clou already revealed at the end... Fram (talk) 13:29, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is fairly reasonable to have a redirect from the surname with initials to the person's article. It seems that your only grounds for objecting are the fact that Mr Picasso had a long name. Well, it's not his fault. He was christened with the name. You only have four letters in your name, you probably have no experience of what it's like when there is not room on the form for your full name. I can tell you it's no fun! And for Mr Picasso it must have been a nightmare. I think he deserves proper redirects on Wikipedia. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:39, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
I'll take that as a "delete, I've had my fun" opinion. Fram (talk) 13:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I can't remember now whether it was Norden or Rory Bremner doing a rather kindly impression of him. The point stands either way. Si Trew (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Olga Kireef de Novikoff

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Olga de Kireef Novikoff

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The result of the discussion was keep that has the stronger arguments and also reflects the policy position. The approach adopted here is given at WP:RFD#HARMFUL that states "Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones." Normally harm is indicated by one of the criteria in WP:RFD#DELETE being met. No claim of harm has been made by any of the commentators. Whatever the basis for creating the article at this title, nonetheless this was the original title. The statement by Fram "That's not standard practice, usually the page gets moved without leaving a redirect." is not correct. Not all editors are able to suppress the creation of a redirect on a page move and the policy is given at WP:R#SUPPRESS "However in general, the redirect will be a useful entry in the history, and it is best to leave it behind, unless there is a good reason to suppress the redirect ...". NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 20:28, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia invention, author is never referred to by this name or even a close variation of it. All Ghits are Wikipedia and its many mirrors. Fram (talk) 11:47, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

per this name is used with diacritics. WP standard is to have redirects from names without diacritics. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:22, 9 May 2014 (UTC).
Wrong. WIkipedia standard is to have the article at the correct title, then to mark reasonable redirects with ((R from title without diacritics)) and so forth. Not all letter marks are even diacritics: in some languages (e.g. Hungarian, Turkish, Arabic) they make distinct letters. Si Trew (talk) 07:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Rich, you're doing it on purpose as you always do, beinf deliberately contrary. Go somewhere else and do that: usually RfD has a kinda reasonable discussion instead of just being swings and roundabouts. Si Trew (talk) 15:22, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It depends on the nature of the redirect. If it's the subject's name in a different order, I don't see a problem with it. If it were a complete invention that didn't resemble the actual name, certainly not. --BDD (talk) 00:34, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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John Russell (1838-1956)

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by Malik Shabazz as WP:CSD G7. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 02:04, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Very unlikely typo Fram (talk) 11:44, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Chinese Republic

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Republic of China (disambiguation). --BDD (talk) 04:01, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

:Weak retarget to China, which is primary. People's Republic of China redirects there and in the first sentence of the lede it says "officially the People's Republic of China". Big though it be I was half-expecting a DAB at China but no, it is the state: the DAB's at China (disambiguation). There is Republic of China which redirects to Taiwan and both terms (and the link) are hatnoted at China, but I think it would be a bit WP:SURPRISEing for this redirect to go there: Taiwan is also well hatnoted, though. I could imagine that others might take a different view and want it retargeted to the DAB, though... and I'd be easily persuaded by them. Si Trew (talk) 07:39, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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