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I withdraw this time. I made mistake wherein I had to correct them after learning it, but might have forgot to. I will surely comeback next time with better learning of copyvios and close paraphrasing. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 16:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Karthikndr[edit]

Final (10/9/1); ended 16:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC) - Withdrawn by candidate. KTC (talk) 16:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nomination from TheSpecialUser[edit]

Karthikndr (talk · contribs) – Dear friends, its my pleasure to nominate Karthikndr for the admin rights. Karthikndr has been actively editing English Wikipedia for approximately 23 months; from January 2011. He is a tireless contributor with an edit count of 18K+ edits (68% of which are to the main space). He is one of the best contributors to Indian cinema related articles since most of his GAs are from that area as well as he has improved many articles related to it. He also shows interest in articles related to Indian history, politics, Mumbai and articles that are subject to recent changes. GAs such as Ra.One, Rockstar (2011 film) and A. P. J. Abdul Kalam are just few examples of the amazing work he has been doing around. Karthik has managed to get 11 GAs in all and 3 DYKs features on the main page. Other than the shiny work, he has been tweaking and improving any article he comes across; improving, maintaining and updating work that he has been doing throughout, specially to the articles subject to recent massive changes is remarkable and I believe that is needed as much as we need GAs and FAs. Karthik is autoreviewer, filemover, rollbacker here and has participated in AfDs, some vandal fighting and has done good work at RPP. Outside English Wikipedia, with 1K+ edits and upload of hundreds of images, he has been doing great work at commons where he is autopatrolled and upwizcampeditors.

Karthik has been involved in WikiProjects such as Mumbai, Indian cinema task force, various workshops, etc. Off-Wiki, he has been actively involved in various events. He has participated in various workshops and has organized many meet-ups. Following the fund raising on behalf of Wikimedia in 2011, he became active at Wikimedia Mumbai community offline and took part in numerous events such as organizing 2nd Photo-thon in Mumbai. As of September 2012, he serves as the Secretary of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India Chapter where he got elected after getting maximum number of votes that a candidate ever received. Recently, he played a key role in Wiki Loves Monuments 2012 in India by organizing and coordinating the process along with his colleagues. Qualities that I find in this user, which impressed me are that he always stays calm, polite and has always tried to help; never really saw a situation where Karthik lost his temper or behaved in a harsh manner. With his work overall, he has showed good understanding of policies and has the attitude to help anyone in a calm and polite manner which I feel is necessary for an admin. He has enough experience around with solid edits and a great asset to the projects that he has participated in. A trustworthy, kind, helpful and tireless editor like Karthik will undoubtedly be a benefit to the community if given the extra tools. Thanks for your time and consideration. TheSpecialUser TSU 16:56, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nomination from Tinucherian[edit]

I am extremely delighted to co-nominate User:Karthikndr for this RFA. Many of you would have already come across him from the last year's annual fund-raising campaign. TSU has already highlighted his Wiki achievements and I wouldn't want to repeat it again. He is a rockstar Wiki Contributor and a Wiki Evangelist in the real world. I trust him with the tools -- Tinu Cherian - 17:38, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Thanks TheSpecialUser and Tinu Cherian for your faith in me, I accept the nomination. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 10:43, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate[edit]

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
A: Initially, I would serve majorly at WP:RPP and at WP:RM. Would always keep watch on Administrator intervention against vandalism and at articles for deletion.
2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
A: Among many of my contributions, creating "Presidency" section in A. P. J. Abdul Kalam is where I enjoyed the most. The research work involved was too much, and it was very challenging for me in finding all references dating back 7-8 years. Secondly, expanding most of references manually in Taylor Swift was too time consuming, but I always enjoyed myself expanding citations, much of the time manually. Most of the contributions to Wikipedia so far has been either adding or expanding/tweaking references. Contributing to Mahatma Gandhi was one of those, where I've provided dozens of references.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: While, there has been many a times my contributions have either been reverted or been disagreed on, however I have always opened myself to discussion and invited others/WikiProject-members to reach consensus. There have not been any major conflicts that I got into, however I can re-call an event where adding content relating Shahrukh Khan's ageing in his article, with supported reference, proved controversial for me, for the first time. Initially with one single ref, I couldn't object myself, but however, made sure to collect 3 reliable sources claiming same and hence neutralizing the article. This was however opposed by some editors, and this I had reached out to other editors and gathered consensus. The consensus we reached there was that the article requires to be neutralized.

Additional question from Leaky

4. Karthikndr, this question concerns articles for deletion policy, an area in which you have indicated an interest.
An article is created by a newly registered WP:SPA editor linking a dozen well known sporting, television and other notable celebrities and presenters with proposed participation in a future annual reality TV programme with a broadcast date 11 months ahead. The most recent series has just finished and no announcements or publicity is available to confirm that the event will take place. The article appears to be a spoof and an editor (A) who recognises the article format tags the article for speedy deletion – G2 and G3. The author is welcomed, notified but plays no further part in discussions. A patrolling CSD Admin. (B), declines to speedy delete but recommends AFD instead. The speedy tagging editor (A), along with several other editors, recommend speedy on the AFD listing and, realising that a delay is likely, removes all unsourced (and unsourcable because the article is a fake and no sources can exist) references to living people from the article on the basis of BLP violation, leaving a vestigial stub. The original CSD Admin (B) is approached by (A) to review their decision resulting in a change of mind and a speedy delete. Admin B then rebukes editor (A) for removing the living people material from an article while it was under AFD discussion. Please consider the various actions (author, editor (A), Admin (B)) and interactions and identify any policy or other related errors by all parties and what you would have done as the patrolling Admin.
If the scenario described is not sufficiently clear let me know before you commit yourself.
A: Hello Leaky, would answer this tricky question as per my understanding. Assuming good faith on the article creator, the upcoming event's article can not be tagged under G2 neither, G3, however (B) did a great job by pushing this for AFD and welcoming community's comment instead of speedy deletion. (A) on the other hand removed all unsourced information, which is neither wrong, and (B) should not be rebuking (A), for removing something which never exists (this is because, the entire community is still welcome to contribute to the article while in its afd's). The case however goes tricky actually, when the creator of the article is no longer active, and hence I believe no one would be adding contents. In this scenario, both (A) and (B) invite me as an admin to close the afd, where I should be delist to gain more comments on the same. Would prefer consensus, instead of votes, which would determine its stay. Believing that the article lacks references over here while is created by SPA, I would be deleting it without prejudice to recreate when RS is available.

Let me know if my understanding was right, or else would your help to understand this scenario. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 12:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Additional question from Yunshui
5 The copyright issues raised in the Oppose section are deeply concerning. Please can you therefore respond to the following questions:
a) Under what circumstances could a company's logo be uploaded to Wikipedia?
b) If an actor uploads a publicity shot of themselves for their article, releasing it under CC-BY-SA, can we use it?
c) What is your understanding of the use of press photos on Wikipedia?
d) What do you understand to be meant by "close paraphrasing"?
A:
Additional question from Ottawahitech
6. Do you read the wp:Wikipedia_Signpost regularly? If so please elaborate, for example what are your favorite sections?
A:

General comments[edit]

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.

Discussion[edit]

Support[edit]
  1. Support - per co-nom. TheSpecialUser TSU 11:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support - seems to meet my requirements --Nouniquenames 11:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Strong Support A hardworking and tireless user.Could make a great admin. TheStrikeΣagle 11:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support A very hardworking and helpful user. Have seen his contributions and everything looks fine. He will surely be an good admin. Torreslfchero (talk) 11:38, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Support Not familiar with him but spot checking shows very good content skills, GAs, and an deep familiarity in one of the fastest growing areas of Wikipedia, all things India related. A little thin in the admin area experience, but I wouldn't expect issues as long as he moves slowly at first and takes advice while learning in those areas. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:44, 12 December 2012 (UTC) Moved vote. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:41, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support Warden (talk) 11:48, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Support India related articles can be a bit of a minefield - we could use more admins with expert knowledge in the area, and Karthikndr seems pretty competent. He's a useful asset to the project now; he'd be even more useful as an administrator. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC) Moved to oppose, see below. Yunshui 雲‍水 16:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Clean blocklog and deleted edits look OK, otherwise per nom. ϢereSpielChequers 11:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support - I have already co-nominated -- Tinu Cherian - 13:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support - User has grown over the last year and seems fit for further responsibility. Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 13:24, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support – Great work on-wiki and off-wiki. Keep up the good work, Good luck! -- ɑηsuмaη ʈ ᶏ ɭ Ϟ 14:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support - Highly enthusiastic user, a quick learner as well. User might want to spent more time learning policies regarding images and copyrights if he ever wants to do administrative tasks in that area. --Sreejith K (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose[edit]
  1. Sorry, strong oppose. Doesn't understand image policy. Several bad non-free image uploads during the last few months (File:Outlook.com sign-in page.jpg, File:Spain winning EURO 2012 title.jpg, File:Kolkata Knight Riders team holding the 2012 IPL's trophy.jpg; [1]), and apparent downright copyvio attempts earlier (File:ST Andrews College.jpg, File:SIES College of Commerce and Economics.jpg; had to warn him about it back in February 2011 [2]; admittedly he was newbie'ish back then). Has also defended copyright-infringing close paraphrasing in DYK's [3] I also have doubts whether this editor's command of international Standard English is sufficient for the complex communicative needs that come with admin tasks. I find very few edits in project space where he has said much that rises above set Wikipedian phrases (such as "keep as per XYZ"), and when he does engage in more substantial discussion, there are frequently obvious grammar errors [4][5][6], of a kind that could seriously hamper his efficiency in fulfilling admin duties. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Update: just found that he re-uploaded at least one of his early copyvios which I had deleted here in February 2011 on Commons as late as August 2011 (File:St Andrew's College Building.jpg). In response to me tagging that file, he is now claiming I am "stalking" him. [7]. Not looking good, I'm afraid. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:58, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hi, Future Perfect at Sunrise, I'm very bad at images fair rationale, and all my mistake you would have spotted would be round previous year. Also, with tools, I would not focus on beginning on the lines of images, and would concentrate on learning them, hence might take some time. I can also assure you that I have learned many things from past one year. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 15:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm afraid that's not enough. It would be okay for a new admin to just not be very knowledgable about image stuff; no problem. It would also be sort of acceptable for a new admin to have a few early mistakes in his edit history. However, actively keeping and defending copyvio uploads (not just bad fair use cases!) at the very moment you are running for adminship is a big no-no. So, straight question and a straight answer please: are you now admitting you took File:St Andrew's College Building.jpg from the college website [8], or are you claiming the college website had it from you? If the latter, will you get OTRS confirmation from the college administration or won't you? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:22, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • As assured, would get an OTRS from college authority. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 15:26, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • Please don't avoid my question; you haven't answered it. Are you the author or not? (And as I said on commons, I'm not asking you to write to the college and ask them to just release the image under a free license themselves. I am asking you to get the college to confirm that the image is yours. It's not about the image; it's about whether or not you lied. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Holy crap oppose - extremely concerned about such recent copyvios noted above by FPAS. More than anything else, the knowledge surrounding this issue would need to be be improved long before ever granting tools. I'm a bit surprised that the candidate has not addressed this issue in their nomination statements and the fact they did not disclose issues and at least attempt to over-ride potential concerns does not give me the warm fuzzies (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:16, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Strong oppose - Supports close paraphrasing and violates image copyrights himself, as demonstrated by FPaS. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:39, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Moved from Support to here based largely on this [9], even though I have other concerns now that they have been pointed out. I'm quick to assume the best of faith, and take a little risk hoping someone will learn on the job, but this is today, not a year ago. I can forgive a few mistakes with copyright, or English skills that need a little polish, but if this is how you will handle a situation knowing the whole world is watching you via RfA, it doesn't fill me with hope that you will be able to deal with real drama or contentious issues. I'm not going to assume you misled us with your rational when uploading the image, but that does look likely based on your own comments. It is a shame. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:41, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose Copyright is a big deal. Admins need to understand it and abide by it (even if they don't agree with the policies). Danger! High voltage! 15:49, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. (edit conflict) Oppose per WP:NOTNOW, regarding inadequate understanding of copyright and application of our policies in relation to it. I appreciate that in the nominators' judgements, the candidate is qualified for adminship, but FutPerf has highlighted some very valid specific instances which are cause for not inconsiderable concern.
    1. Overly close paraphrasing isn't especially easy to deal with as a writer, but I don't think it's useful to state (just 6 months ago) ... been always hating the close phrasing stuff for DYK's... close phrasing need not be an issue.
    2. Even if File:St Andrew's College Building.jpg weren't apparently pinched from another site, it still wouldn't qualify under de minimis usage.
    However, I don't see evidence that the tools are likely to be wilfully misused, just perhaps that they might be inadvertently used inappropriately. If this application is unsuccessful, maybe the candidate should consider returning again after being able to demonstrate a fuller understanding of copyright issues. -- Trevj (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose, moved from support; largely for the same reasons as Dennis. Yunshui 雲‍水 16:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Oppose Sorry, but some of the copyright concerns are too big for me. Come back again in a year and I'll be glad to support. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Nope, at a time when accusations of "stalking" are getting dangerously common, we really don't need this. - filelakeshoe 16:08, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral[edit]
  1. Neutral I'm torn because I feel like we really need good admins who can understand and close Indian cinema AfDs, but at the same time I am very concerned with the evasiveness surrounding the college picture upload. I recommend the candidate withdraw the nomination because it's turning into one of our famous pile-ons. I would support if the candidate came back after having fixed all problems with copyright, etc., but I would recommend they wait at least a year. (As a side note, the English skills that other opposers have commented on don't concern me. He communicates well enough IMO, and we can't expect everyone to have perfect English.) ~Adjwilley (talk) 16:32, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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