Datu Hulyo (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Populated account categories: confirmed

21 August 2023

– An administrator or SPI clerk has placed this case on hold pending further information or developments.

Suspected sockpuppets

• Sir John Harrison (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Golden Mage (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Already confirmed. Courcelles (talk) 04:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

•  Confirmed Courcelles (talk) 04:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Cross reference. User talk:Tamzin#Question, where the disruption of the Sir John account was bought up. Knowing we’ve seen this before, I checked. Two extended confirmed accounts with thousands of edits was not what I expected to find, but the connection between all three is technically clear. What to do about all this is less so, so reporting for investigation. Courcelles (talk) 04:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Hmm. So, if this were just the master and the Harrison account, I'd probably request an explanation and, if none was forthcoming, treat it as a relatively harmless vandalsock and let the master off with a warning. With two established accounts... Similar userpages, overlap on a large and diverse number of articles (338 hits; for contrast Datu Hulyo vs. me is 57), similar editing styles, similar timecards... Yeah, there's no reason to doubt the CU findings here. Now, there's lots of close-in-time overlap, which violates WP:SOCK even for a legitimate undisclosed alt, but I'm not seeing outright tag-teaming, and notably they've never overlapped outside of mainspace and templatespace (not that they'd have much chance to [1] [2]). So I'm going to put this  On hold and instruct both editors to respond here before making any further edits.
  I need these accounts to answer these questions:
  1. Are the Datu Hulyo and Golden Mage accounts operated by the same person?
  2. If so, why have you been operating two accounts without disclosing their connection?
  3. In any case, what is your connection to the John Harrison account?
• -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oh, @Courcelles, I just noticed Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Golden Mage, various personal preference cosmetic edits, disregard of WP:NOTBROKEN and complete lack of communication, where Canterbury Tail notes a similarity to Kung Hibbe (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki). Might be worth looking at. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Seems to be on the wrong continent based on what I can reconstruct. (Kung is stale). And given the thousands of edits, seems strange they weren’t spotted on those checks. Courcelles (talk) 05:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]