The user md iet was topic banned and soon after this uname : qazxcv1234 was created. I strongly suspect that both are same by seeing the language constructs they are using:
eg: frequent use of "please", "pl" etc. Summichum (talk) 11:08, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Also see the interaction report:
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Page Min time between edits Qazxcv1234 edits Md iet edits Dawoodi Bohra 8 days — (timeline) 5 119 Talk:Dawoodi Bohra 11 days — (timeline) 10 57 Mufaddal Saifuddin 14 days — (timeline) 8 180 Fatimid Caliphate 16 days — (timeline) 1 6 Talk:Mufaddal Saifuddin 31 days — (timeline) 1 159 |
Note both are also now topic banned
They may definately not show the same ip address as this new one is only editing from mobile phones as shown in edit history. Hence need to see other clues.
i had later included above CU and informed the last CU report which also gave some hits DeltaQuad. I had asked to merge this investigation with the last one earlier too:
Mike V Yes see the below diffs, and regarding authorship clues , the talk page discussions provide indicators that they come from same author, by frequent use of words like "please".
Dear Mike V and User:DeltaQuad who was involved in recent CU computation:
This article is mainly on Dawoodi Bohra, main generally acceptable feature only are described here please. --Md iet (talk) 11:43, 8 May 2014
Sources used are Milli gazette and Tehelka.com type. Its again something fishy. May like to see please.Qazxcv1234 (talk) 10:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Summichum (talk) 05:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Having talked with Md iet since over a year and having a linguistic background ,I had distinctly marked md iet typical use of a very typical non native and at times highly nuanced grammatical signatures which I guess even other experienced editors like User:Anupmehra can discern.
once you open the above diffs search for "as whole" also there are many other linguistic markers I have identified which give me 100% confidence that both Qazxcv1234 and md iet are same . Md iet has used a sock earlier too as can be seen in his log.
Summichum (talk) 12:09, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, very interesting, now you are investigating on each sentence and words. 'community as whole' is correct phrase or not is immaterial for me till it convey my fillings. I have clearly emphasized that I am influenced by md. That is not a fake statement. It is proving itself true. I have gone through md's comments. This information was the most convincing part of it. I am also just like md in the matter of language. In fact I may be rated further low. Whatever I liked made an impact on me. Every thing can not be explained sumi. But now you cannot hide your intentions.Qazxcv1234 (talk) 14:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
for the editors also see how he is now trying to change his typical natural language markers after this report and removed his silly excuses :
Summichum (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Mike V This new sock came up with a new fictional phrase "taiyyabi bohra" to mislead editors and bypass topic ban on "dawoodi bohra", Admin User:EdJohnston has warned him several times which is why he is using such tactics to able to edit bohra articles. "Taiyyabi bohra" is a phrase which has been only used by these two socks. Another evidence that both are same.
Also IP address detection won't yield much info as this is an experienced user who was earlier also involved in sock investigations and was caught as such on reporting. The user Qazxc1234 used to edit only from mobile to prevent IP address tracing, after I reported this behaviour , he cited wifi problems and then he started to use normal non mobile editing.Summichum (talk) 04:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Mr. Sum, you are now trying to mislead everybody. This is a limit. I was trying to connect my WiFi, and able to connect only now. On my mobile I am not able to open this page and can't see your tactics. I am really surprised with your activities. I don't need to use all the tactics you presuming. Anybody can check my IP on which I opened my account and this IP and system on which I am working now. People of your thinking can only do things like this. I have also gone through md page. Your tactics has worked there. You himself has tagged notices of our common Taiyabi saint Hasan fir and Fakhruddin Shahid. you tempted him to work there than complained.--Qazxcv1234 (talk) 14:05, 23 December 2014 (UTC) Please refer following of Alavi Bohra: "After the division of the Mustaalid community, the Yemenite Dawah followed at-Tayyib Abi l-Qasim as their Imam, and the Bohras are the modern descendants of Taiyabi converts and immigrants."
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I am surprised to see so many action on me at a time. I am new to Wiki and welcome in this manner. Is there any harm if somebody uses please. If it is ones habit he will use it frequently, whenever he fill it. It can be one person or many.
Regarding selection of Bohra article by me, it is my interest which is my origin. I noticed that md is working for fatimid article and I also found interest because of my origin.
I noticed that sumi is taking special interest in the articles and behind bohra community as whole. He is not behind any specific bohra but he wants to harm all Taiyabi in fact all Shia.
Please look at my editions. I have done limited editions, and never undone any edit twice. I tried to take matter on talk page. I am influenced by md and tried to see all his edit and also tried to help him if I can.
I am new to Wiki. It will take me to get acquainted with Wiki rules and all bohra related articles.
I am banned, and blocked by my well wisher Sumi. Please visit my talk page. I have given all explanation and even done the simulation to prove that I have not done the mistake for which I got banned.
Regarding using mobile, I have poor WiFi connection at home and I am lucky that I got connected today and able to, give you explanation on my PC which I have used earlier also.
Hope admin will further analyze my case and help me that person like sumi don't use Wiki as platform for his partisan activities.--Qazxcv1234 (talk) 09:06, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Admin please note, that this follow has joined Wiki after incident of late Syedna demise and unilaterally editing in favour of his candidate Khuzaima Qutbuddin, he has pretended of being a social reformer and crossed all the limit of disruption on Wiki and got repeated blocked on all the front.
He has tried to eliminate all editors doing edit for the subject articles, and left alone to do whatever jugglery he want to make.
User Qazxcv1234 has come to rescue the subject and he is also trying to eliminate him also. The diff [2], pointed out by him is a good proof of his activity. He is trying to delete articles related with 11th AH (14th AD) century saints to propogate his hate and defame community as whole.
I am also going through analysis Qazx has given and will try to expose the trap this X is upto for Qazx.
Admin may please analyse that an article is made by the people who know the subject and also by it's critics. If we delete all the people who know the subject than article will not have main material. If critics are removed than material of nonwiki standard may come. The balance has to be made. Qwertus and Anilmehra were acting in a perfect wikipedian manner. My intentions were also good, but I was little more aggressive, and accepted my fault. But this X is doing unilateral canvassing for his candidate, removing each and every material even from the reliable sources to his intention. When this subject is covered under specific rules, it is not understood that why this single so called critic trying to disrupt activities aiming toward single goal is not questioned and warned. He is allowed to do editing at his will. Please refer diff: [3], this fellow has deleted material of reputed news as per his will, and tried to put his only point of favour.
Hope Admin may take up the case seriously please.
Action is taken on someone on my name and I don't have information on my talk page. I was just going through contribution of this X to analyse his activities and read the matter and came to this page. --Md iet (talk) 06:21, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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Dear Mike V and User:DeltaQuad who was involved in recent CU computation
see following diffs, frequent use of "please", "may please" at the end, generally we begin by "Please ..." but this sock ends his sentences with "please" the user md iet wrote On dawoodi bohra talk page:
Also see the recent "please" by the sock:
I found many such occurrences , which even you can verify in the talk page communication. Also see that the user is using only mobile edits to thwart IP address detection. |
Out of these 80 edits there are only 2 edits which have been done on common day with md that too altogether on different time.
20 Dec, 14: my one edit at 09:53 and Md's 3 edits between 06:21 to 06:36 on sock puppet investigation page.
15 Dec, 14: my one edit at 04:59 and Md's 3 edit between 11:10 to 11:13 on Alavi Bohra
This clearly proves that there is no correlation between these two editors timings. Subject similarity may be due to ideology, which I have already made clear.
I have one more propaganda to declare. This Sumi has developed a new page/sect [5] named by ‘Taiyabi Ismaili'. Taiyabi article was already existing from years together and it is still clearly mentioned that: “Tāyyib’īyyah/Tāyyibī fiqh or Mustā‘līyyah/Mustā‘lī fiqh is a fiqh system associated with the Mustā‘lī branch of Ismaili that split with the Fatimid supporting Hafizi branch by believing Taiyab abi al-Qasim was the rightful Imam”. Which clearly indicates that there is Tayyibi fiqh(sect). There is no ‘Taiyabi Ismaili’ name and this fellow has forcefully changed the name of article Taiyabi to Taiyabi Ismaili. Ismaili is main Shia branch, which further bifurcated in Mustaali. This Mustali branch than bifurcated to Hafizi and Taiyabi. This Taiyabi fiqh (sect) is common for all Bohras.Qazxcv1234 (talk) 16:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
User:DeltaQuad, may like to see simulation [6], where I have given the possibility that editing conflict system of Wiki do not work when two simultaneous edit done within one or two mins. In between edit did not save and shown as being deleted by last editor. I was also banned due to none of my fault. Please have a look at itQazxcv1234 (talk) 10:36, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Please see the contributions of this user.The user md iet was blocked indefinately for socks and again showing exactly same behaviour and linguistic patterns on talk pages of bohra articles , he also had a indefinate ban on bohra articles. Summichum (talk) 14:03, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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The contribution log directly points to earlier sockpuppet for which MD iet was blocked and topic banned indefinitely on bohra. Again disrupting bohra articles Summichum (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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Same linguistic behaviour showed , main account blocked now doing same activities using IP addresses. Summichum (talk) 19:22, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Also the user is editing from exactly the same long \latitude in jaipur India.
http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/106.215.137.61
http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/106.215.133.223
hence I request @Mike V: and @EdJohnston: to look into it and block the IP range 106.215.x.x as md iet is editing from these IP addresses while on GPRS, to avoid getting detected\blocked. Also see other requests on this page for more evidences. Ideally the talk pages of bohra articles should also be protected from edits by random ip addresses as daily many edit requests are recieved on bohra articles from these ip addresses. Summichum (talk) 06:21, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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There is complete community on one side and a single person doing complete partisan activities on another. I have checked his contribution page. Complete page is full of all destructive matter. Request Admin to analyze the behavior.
There is definitely a small opposition in community. The main section not at all bothered about the small tit bits. Observe the response of more than 300 thousand DB coming from 55 countries all over the world almost one third of total community.
Mufaddal heading the peaceful mass ceremony that too in capital of Maharashtra state and State chief joining main function chaired by Mufaddal.
Is any further proof required?
This is live survey of community and it's peaceful agenda.
We are sorry for behaving at Wikipedia in the manner which is not at all required.
The community don't require any certificate from Wikipedia for the activities its doing for humanity and peace.
The pain is that a single person is using Wikipedia as his tool. Complete community reaction is termed as disruption.
There is definitely some abuse due to excessive tilt and blind faith of community members. But it is not acceptable from Wikipedia that it cannot observe a single person's behavior done for a one specific purpose.
From history of the editors comments I could gather some altogether different motive. Comments on Shia and Mumbai riots stink a vicious conspiracy and doubtful involvement of some destructive agency against this peaceful community.
Wikipedia is a prestigious platform valued for its material and coverage. There are always some negative point involved of every systems as they are run by human beings. The resistance offered here by us is only for not allowing a single person to portray community image which is not true. Our aim is not to disrupt Wikipedia activity.
Thanks for patience hearing and sorry for trouble caused.106.215.133.223 (talk) 07:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
From the history of Md it seems that the fellow is too aggressive and difficult to get convinced.
No boss or superior would like to hear 'no' or arguments even he is sometime wrong and junior is always at loss in the end.
First impression is last impression, and I request fresh consideration to be done in the case. Hope requests made above shall also be considered.106.215.180.10 (talk) 04:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
There is recent disruption by the User: Summichum, listed at 3RR notice page, may like to see it.106.215.133.47 (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
starts with same ip range as the earlier one reported and edits the same articles everytime. Besides the same linguistic patterns Summichum (talk) 09:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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Filed another malformed 3rr report after they were removed twice when he had recently filed them as an IP, and he still talks about "humanity".[9][10] OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Helping a fellow for his community support is not against huminity. Mobile edit and to retype the matter was difficult for an IP. Any body can see record, this account not used for disruption or partisan activities. This OccultZone and Summichum seems have connection using same format for SPI case status|CUrequest. --YaFatimid (talk) 10:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
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New user directly editing bohra articles and using wiki terminologies on talk page for the same issues for which MD iet was blocked Summichum (talk) 06:14, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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first contribution itself bought false allegations and wiki terminology. 100% confidence md iet Summichum (talk) 16:47, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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Mike V Thanks for prompt response, but you should rather block the ip range from where he is editing like 106.215.x.x . As he is wasting precious admin time and has severely abused wiki for his own vested interests.Summichum (talk) 16:57, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
first contribution directly reminds wiki terminology and dispute Summichum (talk) 16:59, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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Geolocation Information Country: India in flag State/Region: Rajasthan City: Rajsamand Latitude: 25.0667 (25° 4′ 0.12″ N) Longitude: 73.8833 (73° 52′ 59.88″ E) Postal Code: 313326
Earlier IP of MD iet also have same location in geolocate
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Hence alternates between using his corporate IP and home ip. I guess there are mechanisms to alert his ISP and block the abuse by him Summichum (talk) 03:01, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
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see contributions in md iet sock page , himself accepts the sock. Summichum (talk) 07:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
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Again same ip range and the same reasons. Please block the ip range for 3 months from editing. WHAT collateral damage can result? Is this ip range being used for editing? editors with usernames are already allowed so I dont think it will cause any collateral damage. Summichum (talk) 06:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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Directly participating on delete discussion page and know wiki procedures; see contribs Summichum (talk) 13:47, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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I had joined Wikipedia since 7th December, about 2 months before. This Summichum see everyone a sock. Since my joining I am watching the activities on Bohra articles. The fellow, a single man army seems bent upon doing all destructive activities aiming at single faith. From the details revealed by the group I also felt helping them as I am also 2 month old and learnt many things about Wikipedia.
I noticed that the other group trying hard to counter the fellow. The group not doing any vandalism as such but because of their location and same faith they seem to be in disadvantage. Definition of sock is very wide and there is ample chance of sincere getting trapped. Law breaking is law breaking and their sincere efforts are also counted crime.
I could not resist removal of Moulai Abadullah article. Details which are collected (by the 106) seem to me sufficient to reinstate the important article on the historic fellow. I used the information further. Summichum is seems bent upon removing all the history from Wikipedia, which is rarely known to outer world.
I am also using my ID extension provided by my company. The details shown above are pointing toward my co and also feared similar repercussion. I am a separate individual request Admin to act decisively. Is this MD so intelligent planner, planned this account two month earlier? Thanks,--Recon12345 (talk) 04:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
see contribs and previous block log of md iet, himself signs as recon1234 and this ip is used by him before and is a private static ip which should be blocked indefinately. Summichum (talk) 08:09, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
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see contribs Summichum (talk) 09:02, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:OccultZone#A_gentle_request he is now imposing that they will continue to edit irrespective of blocks , after accepting sock. This is consuming admin time and hence a very strict action need to be taken. Summichum (talk) 06:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
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same contribs Summichum (talk) 05:32, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
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Interest in the Dawoodi Bohra community, particular phrases ("we all are one way or other defined as meat"). QVVERTYVS (hm?) 08:45, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
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see contribs Summichum (talk) 17:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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see contribs , and geolocate Summichum (talk) 10:21, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
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Directly edits borhra articles as first contrib unconstructively , can be either of above considering the past logs Summichum (talk) 04:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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Directly edited Bohra Imam article on Tayyab and the last edit was from the same 106. ... ip range after which royal master started editing directly as new user. Also recently edited editwar notice directly from my contributions. Summichum (talk) 15:08, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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see contribs , the user has linked the same link which Mdiet sock had earlier linked to prevent deletion of Fatima Sughra article, he again created the article after it was deleted by AFD . ALso is maliciously editing "List of Dai" article to purposely remove links to 53rd syedna succession article. The user has recreated many articles which were created by Md iet and were deleted by afd after discussion. Clear sock puppet with 100% confidence
The user has continued creating over a dozen socks and most have been reported by me were found to be correct. Please find a permanent solution to this problem as md iet is creating accounts to evade block and bans and wasting admin time.
Summichum (talk) 05:32, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
As per diffs requested , here is his list of articles created by him, see his contrib page he has created them after AFD deletion presenting the same evidences which were present in the AFD discussions: [17]
royalmaster has above used the word "fellow" which is very commonly used by md iet apart from the typical style of writing which can be seen in the following diff: [18]
His contributions itself are evidences that it is a sock of md iet as he directly jumped to bohra articles, came to edit war discussion , supporting another COI user ruqn who was also previously blocked as a sock. [19]
Summichum (talk) 12:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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I am surprised to see my name here when I was looking at summichums contribution today due to his removal of my contributions. As such this complain doesn't matter me, but I could observe tussle between Rukn and him. His behavior seems somewhat strange. I don't know of Md, but for me early Tayyibi development in Egypt, Yemen and India are of lot of interest and there is lot of confusion prevailing amongst history books on these topics.
I have chosen these topics and tried to gather information and correlate them. At-Tayyib Abu'l-Qasim and Indian missionary like Moulai Abadullah etc. were amongst them and tried to bring the pages back as redirect with reliable quotes provided on respective talk pages. If users agree we can develop these articles further.
In this process I could observe that this fellow summichum has deleted earlier articles. As such he was right because authentic quotes were not there but we can always search for it.
Dai page I only touched due to involvement of Moulai Abadullah, Syedi Fakhruddin And Jalal Shamshuddin of 10th century.
What malicious observation he found at Dai, I am unable to see? I have restructured Dai list with mention in the index and for 53 rd dai I have repeated same thing available and in heading included both name appearing there.
Regarding Fatema sughra case, I can just say that while looking at articles deletion list of this fellow I could not resist the deletion of article of daughter of Imam Husain an Icon of Islam. I don't know what link he is talking about, but I only mentioned quotes I found in google books list on 'Sughara'. This also I have narrated only in talk page of sugra.
I am not worried about me but discussion of him and Rukn and deletion rather then improvement of selected article of early historical figure of Tayyibi seems objectionable to me.Royalmaster1 (talk) 03:58, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
I have been terse in my responses as I dont think this much effort is required to give detailed evidences for person who has dozens of reported socks and comes out with new socks after he has been banned and blocked each time and except in one case all the dozen time I was correct in reporting him as sock and the admin User:Mike_V was himself involved in most of the cases and in later cases he agreed to CU requests without giving any evidence from my part. If you compare the creation log and md iet diff page I linked keeping in mind the aggressive behaviour of this sock in creating new socks each time to evade bans is all the reason to contemplate. Hence I request User:Mike_V to also intervene Summichum (talk) 05:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
See the talk page and contribution history of the user the earlier socks of md iet also made attempts to redirect deleted bohra dai articles to list of dai page. Also the user is operating from a confirmed sockpuppet ip as informed on his talk page. Most of his edits are on bohra articles on which he was banned and later created dozens of socks all reported by me and found to be true after sockpuppet investigation @Mike V: handled this caseSummichum (talk) 04:26, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
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This "typo fix" seems to be written in Md iet's writing style. It's also actually an instruction on how to deal with another user, with whom Md iet had trouble in the past. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 07:37, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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