((Speciesbox
| image = Asparagus stipularis (detail).jpg
| genus = Asparagus
| species = stipularis
| authority = L.
| synonyms = Asparagus horridus
| range_map_caption = <center>'''Distribution'''<br>((legend0|#6bbc46|Native range))</center>
| range_map = 
<mapframe text="" width=300 height=300>
[{
  "type": "ExternalData",
  "service": "geoshape",
  "ids": "Q262, Q5765, Q5813, Q229, Q667536, Q79, Q41, Q398, Q817, Q846, Q851, Q878, Q38, Q34374, Q822, Q858, Q1016, Q1028, Q219060, Q1462, Q851, Q1460, Q36755, Q29, Q948", 
  "properties": {t3
      "title": "native",
      "fill": "#6bbc46",
      "stroke-width": 0,
      "description": ""
         }
}
]
</mapframe>
<ref>((Cite web |title=Asparagus horridus L. ((!)) Plants of the World Online ((!)) Kew Science |url=http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:531139-1 |access-date=2022-02-28 |website=Plants of the World Online |language=en))</ref>
))

Hi all

For the past few weeks I've been working on a way to more easily make distribution maps for species articles (where they live). I've found quite a good solution using Kartographer which allows you to use both OpenStreetMap shapes and geoshapes from commons. It can also have different colours for native range, introduced, extinct etc. Here's an example for Asparagus horridus.

User:John_Cummings/Experiments/Species_distribution_map

Something weird is happening that I don't understand, in my userspace and on this page the map works fine (although there is an issue with the software currently that makes it slow to load T302853). However if I copy this map into the same infobox on the actual Wikipedia article all the areas highlighted disappear and its just a blank map.

Does anyone know why this might be happening and how can it be fixed?

Thanks

. John Cummings (talk) 17:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

When I copy-paste the mapframe code from your user page into the article, it works fine for me in Preview. Paste it in and post again here if it still doesn't work. I recommend putting the ref with the caption instead of with the map, BTW. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Jonesey95 thanks very much, unfortunatley when I added it to Asparagus_horridus it just shows a blank map. Do you see the same? Any idea what could be causing it? John Cummings (talk) 10:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

For me, when I just go to Asparagus horridus, I too get a blank map. If I open the article for editing and use "Preview" I see the green areas, but they disappear when a dummy change is saved. At least on a Mac, the behaviour is independent of any browser that I use. Is it something to do with the way that the WikiMedia software caches pages? Peter coxhead (talk) 11:36, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I wondered if it might be some kind of interaction with the automated taxobox system, but when I added the map outside the taxobox, I got the same behaviour: green visible in preview, not when saved. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

There are certainly a few caching issues with mapframe. Another complication is that preview is handled differently than the saved page version (something along the lines of dynamic view vs static view with cached tiles).

A while ago there was a change in Wikimedia software that cause a lot of errors in the geojson. The solution was to remove the prettifying formatting (i.e line feeds etc). I did this at Asparagus horridus with this edit, which didn't immediately fix the problem. It is now working for me, but this could be due to caching or this edit by Peter coxhead or just the mapframe gremlins mocking me. —  Jts1882 | talk  12:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

It didn't work for me when I looked at it immediately after Jts1882's edit, nor after I'd finished my tests, but it does now! It does look like some kind of cache issue, which is slow to resolve itself. Whether there's any way of forcing the resolution isn't clear; the usual 'tricks' of purging and null edits didn't help. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:44, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok, the following seems to work. I changed the size of the map to a more reasonable 220. On saving the article, the map had disappeared. I used the "show in full screen" icon, and noticed that the page still showed as loading after it first opened with what appeared to be a correct view. I waited until the loading had completed, and then used the "X" button to return to the article. The map was then there.

I think the problem is that the displayed part of the underlying map appears simple, but it's just a reduced view of a very complicated map – go to Asparagus_horridus#/map/0 and zoom in – it goes right down to the street level all over the world. The Wikimedia software is simply taking a long time to render and then cache this map.

What this suggests to me is that this is a very resource-intensive way of displaying a distribution map. If such maps were routinely added to taxoboxes, the server load would surely be considerable. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Agree with slimming it down. The data used here is on pages like commons:Data:Algeria.map and also some directly from OpenStreetMap. The OP (Original poster) did also bring this up at phab:T302853, which reached the same conclusion. There they calculated the total number of coordinates in this map is 300 kilobytes, which is bonkers. So, for Algeria as an example, any precision below 0.05 degrees needs to go, as that does travel less than a pixel at 400px size, with only the Algeria map being used - that is after all an usecase it can also be used for. The coordinates stored directly on OpenStreetmap need to be moved to Commons so they can be slimmed down there.--Snævar (talk) 17:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Snævar: Yes, to load and render 300 kilobytes of coordinates to show a distribution map is quite bonkers. Peter coxhead (talk) 18:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Peter coxhead, Snævar and Jts1882 thanks very much for the help and explanation, please could share your thoughts on phab:T302853 so they don't get lost. For information there are over 1 million OSM shapes which can be used on these maps so adding them to Commons and simplifying them does not seem like a realistic option. However it appears to be possible to set the level of simplification when rendering the shapes so it doesn't matter how detailed the original shape is on OSM. I understand this to be similar to Commons providing full size images and then Wikipedia creates lower res thumbnails. Thanks again John Cummings (talk) 12:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@John Cummings: I don't understand the underlying software well enough to comment there. By the way, when I looked at Asparagus horridus just now, the map was blank again. Waiting a few seconds caused it to appear. You should definitely not be adding such maps to articles until there is a real solution to this issue. I'm not sure what you mean by it appears to be possible to set the level of simplification when rendering the shapes. Surely the issue is whether the Wikimedia software needs to render the distribution map from the OSM original more than once; it doesn't matter how simplified the rendered image is, what matters is the complexity of the source the rendering has to start from. I think what Snævar wrote is correct, namely that the coordinates stored directly on OpenStreetmap need to be .. slimmed down, whether at Commons or elsewhere. But I repeat, I don't understand the underlying software well enough. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Peter coxhead

Could you report on the phab task phab:T302853 that the map is showing blank for you? That would be really helpful, we assumed that issue was fixed. It looks like they're working on a fix for simplifying the map (I don't understand it well either).

Thanks

. John Cummings (talk) 14:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

You know that toolbar beneath the editing window for inserting special characters (with dropdowns for "Insert", "Wiki markup", "Symbols", etc.)? I see it as usual when editing a page, but for some reason it no longer appears beneath the editing widow on the preview page when I preview my edits. This is irksome if I need to make further changes that involve adding characters such as em or en dashes. I'm fairly sure that this is a recent development; does anyone know what's going on? (I use the MonoBook skin, if that matters.) Deor (talk) 19:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Deor, is it any different when using another skin like Vector or Timeless? Which editor do you use, VE/Source 2017, VE, Source 2010, something else? Screenshot? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: The toolbar does appear in Vector and Timeless, so the problem would appear to be a Monobook thing. I'm not sure which editor I use—probably Source 2010, since I've been around here for some time and I'm resistant to change. Was there a software update yesterday that might be causing the problem? Deor (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Deor, I switched to monobook, loaded the edit window (in the mw:2010 wikitext editor ), preview, still see the bar. I can't reproduce it. Have you tried doing this while logged out? If that solves your problem it could be a gadget or userscript you have enabled/installed. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

WP:THURSDAY? SN54129 11:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: I'm now seeing the toolbar again, so the problem seems to have resolved itself (or to have been resolved by kindly elves). Deor (talk) 15:38, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

That toolbar is called mw:CharInsert.

If it disappears again, try editing in mw:Safemode. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I want to get a list of the most recent edit to every page which is a subpage of a given page, limited to the N more recent entries. More concretely, all the subpages of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. Basically, I want to pretend that every subpage of WP:SPI is on my watchlist. In python-ish pseudocode:

edits = []
for page in all_subpages_of('Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations'):
  edits.append(most_recent_edit(page))
edits.sort_by_date()
print(edits[0:N])

Is there any way to do that with the normal web interface tools, or do I need to dive into Quarry? Extra credit if I can just get the immediate subpages, i.e. WP:SPI/Foo, but not WP:SPI/Foo/Archive. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@RoySmith first, for your example, there are a lot of subpages for that page (c.f. Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations); there is no watchlist regex feature, nor is this ever expected ([[c.f. phab:T27372) - so as far as using the webui, I'm not thinking so. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

See also: meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Watchlists/Pattern matching article titles — xaosflux ^Talk 16:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thought about this a bit more, would perhaps this get you the results you want: Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Open_SPI_cases? — xaosflux ^Talk 16:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

A similar question from January, with a query attached. It should be trivial to limit it to immediate subpages; less trivial but still straightforward to show at most one edit per subpage. —Cryptic 18:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah, cool, thanks (both). I never really use Related Changes. Don't know why; it seems like a powerful tool but I just never integrated it into my toolbelt. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Just a heads up that there appears to be something serious going on with the Wikipedia servers. A while ago, I was getting 503's consistently. Downdecector is showing a lot of uglyness. I've been watching the IRC operations channel; it's obvious the ops folks know about this and are working on it. If you're reading this message, you're probably not affected :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 19:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Its not just wikipedia. AWS, Discord, Twitter and others seem to be having issues. Could be coincidence or the issue is further upstream.Slywriter (talk) 19:19, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I have been noticing both Wikipedia and archive.today as of recent have been experiencing consistent downtime (at least for me). Maybe its related to the Russian Ukraine war and a possible DDOS attack on two of the most important sites on the internet, in order to disrupt the free flow of information?

Regardless, I know WMF has skilled engineers that will fix the problem. Hopefully it can be fixed soon. Rlink2 (talk) 19:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

No actual outages, but it's been slow for me all day. Other websites seem normal. Happily, I'm nowhere near Ukraine; my sympathies to those facing more serious problems. Certes (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I have been experiencing these problems for several days. Is there a Phabricator ticket open? Nurg (talk) 02:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks like there was a database problem shortly before you posted that comment: wikitech:Incident documentation/2022-03-10 MediaWiki availability Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:47, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but no, I wasn't active at that time. Must have been a separate issue. Nurg (talk) 21:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey! I just started getting the error message upstream connect error or disconnect/reset before headers. reset reason: overflow . Last time this happened it was because of WP:THURSDAY, however it's not Thursday so I'm confused as to what's going on. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:25, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

It keeps happening. phab:T301505 is tracking it. It says: "this is a symptom of a number of different problems that can appear lower in our tech stack". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:14, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah alright. I was a bit confused because the past few times it's happened to me it was on a Thursday so it caught me offguard when it happened today. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok, where was the discussion to add this new thing, to talkpages. GoodDay (talk) 20:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure where the discussion was, but I believe this is related to the reply tool automatic opt-in that I've seen advertised above my watchlist for awhile. I'm sure there's a way to turn it off if you don't like it. Hog Farm _Talk 20:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

The opt-out options are at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion.

THANK YOU for posting ^^^this. All those [reply]s, at the End of Every. Single. Post. Shearonink (talk) 06:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I thought that searching for that unusual prefs section name would produce a list of all the discussions about how to turn it off (several of them on this page, such as Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 195#Reply tool might get here soon, and all the regulars will doubtless remember that week when we disrupted this page all the fun we had testing the forthcoming [subscribe] button), but my search got 694 hits, because the instructions for turning it off also appear in Tech News and other newsletters. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:29, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@GoodDay: WP:VPR. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

...and yes, Hog Farm is correct. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You have been notified in your watchlist notifications at least twice in the past two weeks, there has been at least one Tech News note on the point, as well as a WP:VPPRO discussion. Izno (talk) 20:47, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I missed any notification and I don't get Tech News and I don't follow VPPRO discussions, I just edit. Shearonink (talk) 06:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Offering_the_Reply_Tool_as_an_opt-out_feature. Schazjmd (talk) 20:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You can add my GraphicReplyLink user script to replace the [Reply] text with a better-looking Speech balloon emoji (💬). You can also simply add the two lines of code to your common.js file. See WP:Talk pages project § Changing the reply label — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 15:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

change to editing talk pages, that [reply] at the end of posts...

I know I don't pay attention to such things when they are planned or I seem to miss news/warnings about such updates but when did the little itty-bitty [reply] pop up on talk page posts? I know there's a reason for this or something... Shearonink (talk) 06:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I thought it was just me, but after I posted my query I found some others have posted about the new [reply] appearing at the end of every post. In case there are others who want to opt-out, here's the fix: Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion. You're welcome. Shearonink (talk) 06:22, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

You seem to have found the relevant section above. Izno (talk) 06:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes I did, thanks Izno. I just edit, seriously...I find articles about people or subjects and decide to fix them up. I admit, I just don't have the time to pay a lot of attention to updates-news, I barely have time to edit as much as I want. Shearonink (talk) 07:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

The story behind the reply link started in 2019 where the community, not only english wikipedia but all of its sister projects, talked with the developers on how the talk pages should be improved. That community agreed on multiple changes to the talk pages, reply is one, the ability to watch talk page sections is another, setting requirements for signatures (which this wiki allready has), improve the software for new discussions and improve notifications. Reply is only the first change of those. See mw:Talk pages consultation 2019 and mw:Talk pages project.--Snævar (talk) 06:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Yay. Improvements and community agreeing. Shearonink (talk) 07:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

How can I query the content of an abuse filter via API? There are ?action=query&list=abusefilters, ?action=query&list=abuselog, ?action=abusefiltercheckmatch, ?action=abusefilterchecksyntax, ?action=abusefilterevalexpression, ?action=abusefilterunblockautopromote, ?action=abuselogprivatedetails, but none of them return abuse filters' content. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 22:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

You needed to set abfprop: To retrieve the filter pattern and notes for 384 (hist · log), try https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=abusefilters&abfstartid=384&abflimit=1&abfprop=pattern%7Ccomments. Other options for abfprop are at [1]. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 23:20, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Editing and relevant informations

Now that I know how to get abuse filters' content, how do I edit it and/or get relevant informations (global or not, throttle action/time/groups, warning/disallow messages, block expiries, tag name etc.)? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 16:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! How do I subst a parameter in a template? Thanks, 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 05:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Can you give an example? ― Qwerfjkltalk 07:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

The svg image in the lead of Morse code has suddenly stopped rendering properly (both in the article and on the Commons page). Some of the numerals are not displaying, although they still exist in the file and it has not been edited recently. I can't work out what has changed to cause this. I've tried three differenct browsers and two different skins so I don't think this is just local to me. SpinningSpark 08:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

If I look at the original file ([2]), it looks good to me. So I guess this has something to do with the rendering to PNG by the server. @TheDJ:, could you take a look at File:International Morse Code.svg? Is this the same problem as earlier with the tic-tac-toe (#SVG_not_well_rendered)? --rchard2scout (talk) 10:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes it is the same issue. I suggest opening a ticket, maybe there was an update to librsvg recently ? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not that familiar with SVG, you could probably describe the bug better than I. I just noticed that this seemed like a similar issue (simple shapes used multiple times within a picture, and some of them suddenly disappeared), so I thought I'd ping you. And I happened to remember that SVG rendering has been broken in all kinds of interesting ways for a while now. --rchard2scout (talk) 15:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

MeToo. Here are examples of what it looks like in my browser (Google Chrome in Win 10):

• 
  A view of the Morse Code as a plain SVG file
• 
  A view of the Morse Code SVG in a Commons' web page

Additionally, the texts are rendered in different fonts in both views of the same file. IDK if this has something to do with invisible Morse codes, or it is a separate bug/feature... --CiaPan (talk) 11:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

When you view the SVG file itself, your browser renders it with the fonts you have installed. When you view the Commons page, Wikimedia servers render it to a PNG using the fonts installed on the servers. You might see Wikipedia:SVG help#font-family issues for more info. Anomie⚔ 12:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Anomie: Oh, I completely missed the option I might see the PNG rendered by WM servers. Thank you for the explanation. :) CiaPan (talk) 16:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

• Tracked in T303678 SpinningSpark 11:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Cameron Thompson if you look at the hidden categories at the bottom of the page, says it is populating Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages, but that category is empty? Why?

It's populated via its transclusion of Template:hndis.

If there is a Phabricator for this, can someone post a link to it here? Thanks. –wbm1058 (talk) 14:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I see: "This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more)." – wbm1058 (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

The issue here is the confusing situation that if something has caused a change to the categories of a page after the page was last edited then the list of categories displayed on the page may be updated before the category pages. A null edit of the page synchronizes it. A purge of the page does not update the category pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

See T132467 and especially T157670 for proposed workarounds that, if implemented, would mitigate this problem. As far as I know, the only thing required for them to be implemented is that someone needs to set up a cron job. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:43, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jonesey95, I saw that. cron is the UNIX/LINUX equivalent of Windows Task Scheduler. The manual is at mw:Manual:RefreshLinks.php but it isn't clear to me whether I could set that up to run as a bot on my machine or it has to run on a MediaWiki server. It might be easier for me to just run a null-edit bot, but I presume that's a cruder, less-efficient tool for the purpose. If you could tell me about a template change that's still populating categories at snail-speed, I might be able to speed it up with a null-edit bot run. FYI, HERE is the report that prompted my post here. A null-edit bot doesn't seem practical for ongoing re-population when the populating template hasn't recently changed, but probably is practical for initial population after something is newly implemented. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Interesting: mw:Manual:Maintenance scripts – I haven't seen this before. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I wonder why RefreshLinks.php is not listed on mw:Manual:Maintenance scripts/List of scripts? wbm1058 (talk) 17:36, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The Running the scripts page was just created within the past month. I see that I don't run these as a bot from my own machine, rather I need to establish a connection through SSH. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Wbm1058 By "someone", Jonesey95 was referring to Wikimedia System Administrators, not editors or even admins. That manual you're looking at is intended for people on that list, or for people hosting their own wiki using the mediawiki software. If you are looking for something you can run on your end to null edit all pages that are using a particular template, see User:Ahecht/Scripts/refresh. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:19, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Ahecht that's a nifty tool. Now I have a more convenient way to do something I've occasionally done by "secretly" running a PHP bot on my own machine. Though that's not a real solution for problems like the one reported on my bot's talk. I presume Jonesey95 is aware of your tool? MusikAnimal, since you're on the System Administrators list, can you explain why it's so hard to get someone to do this seemingly easy task? I mean, if I had the privileges, I could probably be able to follow the instructions and figure out how to do it myself. wbm1058 (talk) 23:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The comments at phab:T157670 go into detail. Even on the smaller wikis (small by our standards, that is), the maintenance script was causing problems. The guides on mediawiki.org are often aimed at smaller third party wikis, not wikis with millions of pages that have to worry about performance. We need a more efficient solution that scales, and it seems like phab:T159512 is the most promising path forward from my reading. I don't know why it has had no progress, but it seemingly wouldn't be terribly difficult to code… maybe I'll take a stab at it. Pining Legoktm who would know more. — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

When MediaWikicode changes and adds a new cat to Special:TrackingCategories, it can take many months (see comment dated Feb 9 2017) for pages to trickle in to the category via edits. No amount of null editing by editors can get to the tens of millions of pages on en.WP. In the comments at phab:T157670, it looks to me like catching up ten years of outdated pages would add about 10% to the total server load over the course of a month, and then if we stayed at that pace of refreshing, we could get caught up in another couple of months. We could then have a low-impact job that would refresh any page that got older than a month or so. Unless I'm misunderstanding something. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Seems to me like the longer the delay to even start catching up, the longer it will take to catch up. Is there a page property that specifies the date of the last purge? (any edit, null or not, would update this property). I'm expecting to maybe find it in mw:API:Info (basic information about the given page) but not seeing anything there. Add option to refreshLinks.php to only update pages that haven't been updated since a timestamp says "We can use the page_links_updated field to find pages that haven't been updated in a while." How do I obtain a page's page_links_updated field with an API query? – wbm1058 (talk) 14:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I see, mw:Manual:page table: page_links_updated – wbm1058 (talk) 15:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

...and mw:API:Database field and API property associations. Is page_links_updated inaccessible via API? If not, I'd like to know how to access it. Maybe a Quarry query? Perhaps I could feed the results of a Quarry to my null-edit bot. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Way back in 2017 there were 12 million pages in the "NULL" group on en.WP. Null-editing them at one page per second would have taken 139 days. That never happened... How do you query to get the list of pages in the "NULL" group? Set to the default value of NULL when the page is created – why is the value NULL rather than the page-creation timestamp? I suppose we could start null-editing with these to at least give them a valid timestamp. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't have answers to these questions. All I know is how it affects categorization timeliness when template changes, and especially MediaWiki code changes, are supposed to cause categorization changes. No change to code should take more than eight months to fully take effect. Some of the people commenting on phab:T157670 presumably know the answers to your questions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Actually when Legoktm ran this query on Feb 09 2017, it reported 11,925,959 in the "NULL" group. I guess that is ~12 million! Good news though, I just ran a new query that reported 2,657,121 in the "NULL" group. Down from 11.9 million to 2.7 million. It's time to mop up the stragglers! I'm making good progress on getting started with that! wbm1058 (talk) 17:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

My null-edit the "NULL" group bot has been coded to work one namespace at a time. I'm starting out by doing the lesser spaces, so far I've done File and Mediawiki talk. These have been supervised, as I ramp up to the bigger spaces which I expect to run 24×7 as needed until done. Let me know if there's a preferred order for the bigger namespaces, to achieve maximum impact on cache-flushing. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

In my gnoming experience, the article and template spaces are the most useful to have refreshed frequently, since most tracking categories are concerned with articles or templates that are used in articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

How do I get rid of the box on the sidebar under "Languages" that says "On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Go to top."? —GMX^{(on the go!)} 14:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@PorkchopGMX (on the go): you can put this code snippet:

.mw-sidebar-action {
    display: none;
}

In Special:MyPage/vector.css. This may also hide some other things (or things in the future) as the 'language' box there doesn't seem to have a good purposefully named class to hook on to right now, but it does seem to be the only element using it today. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

It worked. Thanks for the help! —GMX^{(on the go!)} 14:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

You are welcome, I've also opened phab:T303611 to request a more specific class name for this element. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I missed a better option, @PorkchopGMX (on the go): use this instead:

.mw-message-box-notice.vector-language-sidebar-alert.mw-message-box {
    display: none;
}

— xaosflux ^Talk 14:57, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Xaosflux! Is there any way to remove the "Languages" heading at the side as well? 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 05:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@EpicPupper not reliably, you could use the ".mw-sidebar-action" from higher up, but it could end up hiding other things in the future that you could miss. (The container for "Languages" label there doesn't have a unique class). — xaosflux ^Talk 11:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hmm. I've filed phab:T303687 for now. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 17:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Using the .mw-sidebar-action class for this purpose is fine. This class is used for temporary boxes that appear during the Desktop improvements project that help people get used to the new design. At this point it's highly unlikely they will be used for anything else.

Hiding this will hide the "Switch to old look" and the languages tip in the sidebar, which are not important parts of the design. If you just want to hide the languages use

.mw-sidebar-action:last-child { display: none !important; }

I should note the language box is only temporary, as it has been requested by projects where people have been struggling to find the new location. It's likely to be replaced by a Guided Tour soon (see phab:T297367). Jdlrobson (talk) 19:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Perfect, that's actually wonderful for my needs (I want to hide the "switch to old look" as well). Closed the Phab ticket. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 22:09, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello! At WP:AIV there was a report made by Pri2000 which wasn't formatted correctly. I have attempted to fix it, however the asterisk isn't being interpreted as a bullet point like it usually is and instead is just displaying as an asterisk. I'm confused as to why it's doing this. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I removed a character from before the asterisk (Unicode 200C, "ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER"). Certes (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Those dang invisible unicode characters! Thanks for fixing it! ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Maybe it's just me, but has the edit button at the top of each page reduced in size? Maybe by just a few pixels? I'm using Firefox and the MonoBook skin. Thanks! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Lugnuts When looking at it for this, I almost thought so too - but I think it is just an optical illusion. I tried with FF and Monobook, took the screen to maximum zoom level, then took a line drawing tool and overlaid the window, it seems to still be exactly in line with "talk", "history" etc. Would you try something like that and check? — xaosflux ^Talk 14:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. Could be that they've all moved ever so slightly. No big deal, and thanks again for checking. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

It could be just where it lines up with the "shadow" on the skin watermark, try looking at it in qqx which will make those tabs much wider for comparison. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:32, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal (WMF), could this be related to the change you were talking about above? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I believe phab:T290280 changed the HTML of the tabs in Vector as well. It wasn't supposed to have any visual difference, but very minor differences are certainly possible (say browser default styles for <h3> elements that are no longer being applied). MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

This issue is limited to English Wikipedia. It does not affect Commons or Wikisource, Google search or anything else. Firefox just updated itself on my device. I've cleared my cache, shut down the Firefox browser and re-opened it. Nothing works as it should right now.

When entering a term in the search box, it used to show suggestions as you type. Not anymore. You gotta know what you want and typed the entire thing.

There is absolutely nothing in the edit window but a blank white background.

• Edit window tool bar - completely disappeared.
• Colors in Edit window - completely gone
• Sidebar tools - gone
• Sidebar languages - gone

— Maile (talk) 16:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Maile66 you have custom scripts that are unique to the English Wikipedia, try disabling scripts in User:Maile66/modern.css, User:Maile66/common.css, and User:Maile66/common.js; then see if your problem goes away here. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

This is so strange. I'm on Chome right now, because I can't get to my user subpages, nothing. — Maile (talk) 16:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Want me to disable your scripts for you? — xaosflux ^Talk 16:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Right now, there is no such thing as Modern Skin on any of the wikis, so maybe it's not just me. — Maile (talk) 16:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Maile66 done, revert whenever you'd like. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but that made no difference at all. — Maile (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

FWIW, I'm able to access the edit box using FF 98.0.1 (64bit), with the Modern skin. Try switching to a different skin by using this link. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Modern skin has not been on my Preference option - not on Chrome, The Edge or Firefox - since this happened. I'm using Monobook already. — Maile (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Maile66 I disabled your User:Maile66/monobook.css as well, was looking in to "Modern" because of your section header above. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm replying via Chrome right now. The edit window toolbox is still missing in Firefox, but no other browser.— Maile (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Try logging out in Firefox, clearing all your temporary internet files, then log back in? — xaosflux ^Talk 17:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I just did all that, and it made no difference. This is a Firefox snafu. They are going to have to correct it somewhere down the line. But getting through to anyone there, who has a clue about anything, is an exercise in futilely. In the meantime, my editing is going to be very sparse. Too difficult to find a browser with an edit window that is readable. — Maile (talk) 17:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: could you please re-enable the scripts you disabled, since it's too difficult for me right now to find where they are. Thanks.— Maile (talk) 17:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Maile66 I'm on FF98.0.1 (64bit) using the modern skin and I'm not experiencing any of the issues you're having.

PS If you want to get Modern back until the WMF remove it from the build altogether this will do it for you - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?useskin=modern#mw-prefsection-rendering Nthep (talk) 17:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course, done. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: I still don't have Modern skin as an option. Is it gone forever? — Maile (talk) 19:00, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Maile66If you use this link it should be the 5th option. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: Thanks for trying. The time/clock also no longer appears at the top - but only on Firefox in Wikipedia. All the other wikis look perfectly normal. Technology is sometimes a puzzle. — Maile (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Maile66: What happens when you restart Firefox in "Troubleshoot mode" (under the Help menu)? It sounds like you might have an adblocker or some other extension that thinks all the scripts on Wikipedia are evil. If that doesn't work, try WP:SAFEMODE. Does the search box give you suggestions at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?safemode=1 ? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed And that was it. I guess when I uploaded the new Firefox, NoScript blocked Wikipedia. Thanks to everybody for helping resolve this!! — Maile (talk) 19:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

22:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I am seeing a small (but annoying) change to the User contributions listing ( Special:Contributions ). It probably arrived in the recent Thursday update (3 March). The contributions list was a simple single list of edits, but now is now a series of lists with extra hidden date headings. Does anybody have any idea why extra text was added but then hidden? Did I miss some announcement or was this deemed too small for an announcement? Can this "feature" be disabled? etc. — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 17:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Same for article history listings — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 17:33, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

phab:T298638. They made accessibility worse to make some mobile users happy, and seem to not want to undo this. —Kusma (talk) 18:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

This is making me wonder...what is the general ratio of use, for all actual editors, of desktop vs. mobile? And digging deeper into that pile of data, what is the ratio of use for, say the top 5000 editors, desktop vs. mobile? Maybe I'm wrong but sometimes it seems that Wikipedia, when planning or instituting editing changes, is chasing the numbers of accessors/readers instead of taking into account the workload of and accessibility for its top editing cadre. Shearonink (talk) 17:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Shearonink, what I call mw:Neil's spreadsheet (because I can never remember the official name, but I know who started it) has some information. For enwiki, last year, during each month, we had 135,506 registered non-bot accounts make at least one edit. ("Registered accounts" isn't quite the same as "editors", because I'm two of them, and some people use separate accounts for editing from home vs elsewhere, etc. This number is basically ((NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS)), which is currently 124,629 [i.e., during the last month; there are seasonal variations].)

Of those 135K each month, 26.1% used the mobile site exclusively or primarily. These mobile editors account for 14.4% of non-bot edits, which means that the number of edits-per-account is lower than for desktop editors.

Of those 135K editors who made any edit in the course of an average month, 32,805 made five or more edits in that month. For the 103K who made fewer than five edits in a month, most of them will have made exactly one edit.

We see almost 5K brand-new editors each month; the other 130K are not brand-new. About 400 of the brand-new folks come back the next month to edit again. An unknown proportion of the other 4600 brand-new editors edit again in the future, but not in the following month. Many of them never edit a second time (some of which will be due to lost passwords, etc.).

You might also be interested Template:Registered editors by edit count or in the data table I posted at Help talk:Editing#Editing tool use. (NB: there are some important caveats there.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello!

Lately my home-community (SqWiki) has started showing interest in Wikidata, asking questions about it and wanting to have workshops in regard to it. I have some very naive questions. We all know that it helps with interwiki/language links and lately we've learned that Wikidata can also be utilized for infoboxes (can someone show me some help pages about wikidata-related parameters/templates/modules?). I've also been personally involved in some discussions, here and on Wikidata, in regard to Wikidata and taxonomy issues which ultimately, unfortunately, failed to produce any concrete results, again. But... What is Wikidata used for other than that? Everywhere I read on Wikidata I see pages that say more or less the same thing "Wikidata is very powerful and has the potential to be utilized in many different ways to provide solutions to a lot of problems". I remember quite some years ago when Wikidata was just introduced to me as a concept in a workshop and it was done so in a similar way: We run some queries from the default examples and after we saw a list of all the well-known cats in the world and it was said to us that there is a great potential with this tool for querying and presenting information in tabular ways, we all said "oooh" and that was it. That "to-be" tone is on-going on everything related to Wikidata and has been so for quite a while so the questions I have are:

• What are some concrete uses, apart from what I mentioned above, if any, of Wikidata currently speaking?
• Why is that the Wikidata project appears overall way more "static", at least in my eyes, than the other projects?
• What are some concrete changes/updates that have happened throughout the years, if any, at Wikidata?
• What are some concrete projects people are working for in the near future, if any, at Wikidata?
• What is EnWiki's overall interaction/relationship with Wikidata other than for inter-wiki/language links?
• What is some other insight you can provide beside what I asked above?

Thank you in advance! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Probably it would be better to ask on a wiki that has embraced Wikidata. I think ca.wp or hy.wp may be more to taste. Alternatively, d:WD:PC for the more general questions. Izno (talk) 17:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi

What are some concrete uses, apart from what I mentioned above, if any, of Wikidata currently speaking Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Wikidata is an enclyopedia of structered data. Basicaially it takes infomation and puts in a way both humans an machines can understand. Instead of articles, they have properties. Each property has a standard set of attributes that can be used in whichever way you feel best.

One example of Wikidata I know if is using it for social media links. For example, the Wikidata entry for Arianda Grande wikidata:Q151892 has her twitter username in it. So if you wanted to link to her twitter profile, instead of linking to the twitter URL directly, you can link to the twitter URL in the Wikidata profile. That way, if her Twitter username changes, and it is updated in Wikidata, it will automatically be updated for the article in question. It can also be used to get information to place in infoboxes.

I am sure there are more examples so people can chime in. Rlink2 (talk) 17:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

One way to find answers to the above questions is to find templates that use Module:WikidataIB, and go back through that module's talk pages. A good discussion to read about the pros and cons of Wikidata usage, at least in infoboxes, is this 2018 RFC. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Klein Muçi! I'm certainly not extremely experienced with Wikidata, but I can answer some of your questions. Wikidata is also useful for search purposes; you can search for images that "depict" a certain thing in order to find images for an article. You can also find articles to translate, for example, with toolforge:not-in-the-other-language. Wikidata is more "static" because it's just facts; usually they don't change that much, compared to literary works of prose like on the Wikipedias. Finally, Wikidata can also be used to get a rough idea of what an article should be like, because it's simple with just the "facts". Happy Wikidata-ing! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 17:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Izno, @Rlink2, @Jonesey95, @EpicPupper, thank you all for your insight.

So far, what I've understood is this:

Wikidata started as a way to collect data through different wiki projects in a schematic/machine readable manner, mostly as a way to put order on the interlanguage links. Soon enough it started being used as a key part in infoboxes (because of their schematic nature) and this started discussions in EnWiki about the reliability of the said data which ultimately halted its further inclusion on a majority of infoboxes. Ever since, its main use has been on different helping tools like the one mentioned above.

If anyone else can add more information on this or maybe correct what I may have misunderstood, please feel free to do so. - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

That sounds accurate to me. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 03:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi

Yes, basically this. Regarding the RFC (which i only took a cursory look at), Wikidata isn't perfect, but there is no Wikimedia project that is. For a project like enwiki that has enough volunteers to keep info up to date, then maybe Wikidata isn't needed, but for a smaller project with less volunteers, it may be prefereable to use Wikidata to keep things in sync. Rlink2 (talk) 04:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You may want to look at m:Wikimedia CEE Meeting 2018/Programme/Submission/A Gentle Introduction to Wikidata for Complete Beginners and similar presentations (there are video recordings).

I suggest looking at the Spanish Wikipedia's infobox templates. Look at how much is shown in the infobox for w:es:Jimmy Wales and then look at how little wikitext code needs to be in the article for that. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF), thanks a lot! Saw the slides and the video. Pretty informative! - Klein Muçi (talk) 04:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I'm updating my message from February 28 because we had to change our plans a little bit: Because of a few issues in the deployment on other wikis, the improved search won't be part of tomorrow's deployment. Instead, we plan to deploy it a few weeks later along with the other remaining changes. Here's the updated plan:

Improvements coming to English Wikipedia tomorrow:

• Inserting templates will become easier with a back button & added warnings (in the template dialog of VisualEditor and New Wikitext mode). (1)
• In VisualEditor, you’ll be able to remove a template from a page via the context menu, just like removing a table or an image. (2)
• Also in VisualEditor, the template dialog will become bigger and descriptions will be more visible. (3)
• Matching brackets will be highlighted (when you use syntax highlighting). (4)
• The color scheme in syntax highlighting will be updated for better readability. (5)

These improvements have been tested on a few wikis for some months now, and have been deployed to all wikis except English Wikipedia on March 9. We’d love to hear what you think of these changes on the talk pages of the project pages linked above ([1] - [5]).

A few weeks later, we’re also going to deploy the last round of improvements from our Templates focus area:

• Finding templates will become easier with an improved search (in the TemplateWizard & in the template dialog of VisualEditor and New Wikitext mode). (6)
• A colorblind-friendly color scheme will be added in syntax highlighting (CodeMirror extension). You’ll be able to activate it via a user setting. (7)
• A range of fundamental changes to the VisualEditor template dialog will be deployed. They will make it easier to understand what is expected from a template, to navigate the template dialog, and to add parameters to a template. (8)

– We're looking forward to tomorrow's deployment. Once again, greetings from the Technical Wishes project, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 10:47, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

No matter what dates I set under Set filters under New Pages on Microsoft Edge, it resets itself to 3/15/2022 to 3/15/2022. My Chrome browser won't load the new pages feed and says "Please wait..." I'm using a Windows 11 computer. SL93 (talk) 02:36, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

My Chrome browser on a Windows 10 computer is doing the same thing as my Microsoft Edge browser on Windows 11. SL93 (talk) 02:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

• @SL93: It's broken, see phab:T303087. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:42, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

  Also for the archive, Special:NewPages is fine, this is a problem with Special:NewPagesFeed. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

• I put a note at MediaWiki:Pagetriage-welcome - any admin is welcome to remove when repaired. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Should ((Load user script)) support absolute URLs? I added an edit request to ((Load user script)), but was informed that my change needed consensus. The sandbox allows you to specify an absolute URL (/w/etc instead of //en.wikipedia.org/etc) with an interwiki prefix, e.g. "fr" for frwiki and "c" for Commons. It also works with "en" as a prefix to use an absolute URL, in case that's useful (e.g. localized user scripts across wikis). The change also makes the substed code portable, so that users can swap the code over to their global.js or JavaScript for another wiki.

Implementation note: This change does not allow for foreign code (same with the status quo), only crosswiki scripts on wikis like Commons, Meta, etc. (such as meta:User:Zhaofeng_Li/Reflinks.js or meta:User:ESanders (WMF)/commentlinks.js)🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 19:08, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Support, as the sandbox author. To clarify, this version would generate an absolute URL when given a wikipedia page name or a name with an interwiki prefix, it does not allow arbitrary off-wiki URLs to be used. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Template talk:Load user script has been notified of this discussion. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 00:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ahecht: Is it possible to stop this from working with non-WMF sites? ((subst:Load user script/sandbox|WikilivresRU:foo.js)) gives me mw.loader.load( 'http://wikilivres.ru/foo.js?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' ); // Backlink: [[WikilivresRU:foo.js]]. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow That's true of ((subst:Load user script|WikilivresRU:foo.js)) as well, that's not unique to the sandbox version. What's changing in the sandbox version is that it adds the ability to use absolute URLs for scripts on enWiki. That said, yes, it is possible (if we hardcode some assumptions as to what domains are used by WMF sites), but the code would be fairly complex since Lua regexes don't support the alternation (|) operator. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 13:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

This request [redacted] cause

MediaWiki internal error.

Original exception: [3f3e390e-d985-49d3-82ec-754b62a02a67] 2022-03-15 20:03:39: Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError"

Exception caught inside exception handler.

Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information. --Sergei Frolov (talk) 13:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sergei Frolov: It's timing out. Continuing to re-try won't help. Sorry. Try a smaller range such as 176.59.43.96/24, or you could try using external tools such as xtools:globalcontribs. External tools may give results because unlike production, they're allowed to have longer-running queries. I've also redacted the link from your post, simply because both humans and web crawlers will continue to click on it, unnecessarily consuming resources for a query that will never finish. — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: I'm not sure that's right. If you increase the number of displayed results from 50 to 100, this request is handled correctly. So it's not related to timeout. --Sergei Frolov (talk) 17:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I confirmed it was a timeout by looking it up in Logstash (link for those who have access). When there's a lot of data, MariaDB can get confused and choose an inefficient query plan, which is apparently what happens here once an offset clause and/or timestamp constraint is added to this particular query. Even adding a LIMIT as you say (100 instead of 50) can be enough to correct it.

As an aside, I'm not sure why the error page is missing formatting. I know there have been various issues with displaying errors to users lately, so it's probably related to that. — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:04, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I've added a Phabricator ticket about this type of error, even though most users won't be able to see it (I only can because I started a related bug report that was marked as a duplicate). Graham87 04:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

I am on a mobile device. I prefer the desktop view, as it has more helpful buttons and links, and lays out the buttons in a way that none overlap. However, how would I setup a css or js file to hide certain buttons and links I will rarely use? Like the "contributions" and "beta" links. Thanks! -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 11:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

You can hide elements in Special:MyPage/minerva.css (that is the skin used in mobile desktop view normally). — xaosflux ^Talk 13:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

I changed to MonoBook, but I'm smart enough here to know to use the monobook.css file. How would I hide them? "display:none" I guess, but what am I hiding. Does each button have a special identifier, or do I need to hide everything that says "beta"? Well, links anyway. Thanks though so far, I'm one step closer. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 13:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Inspect the html to look for id= or class=. If I right-click "beta" in my browser then there is an inspect option which shows id="pt-betafeatures". Hide it with this in your CSS:

#pt-betafeatures {display:none !important;}

If it had said class="pt-betafeatures" then the code would say .pt-betafeatures instead of #pt-betafeatures. Some id and class names may be used in other places you don't want to hide. There are more complicated ways to influence that with selectors and including or excluding !important. Some people suggest to try to avoid !important so other features get more control of the id or class. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:39, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. And no, I did not reload the page 800 times waiting for a reply. This was a coincidence that I was fast to respond. Thanks again! -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 14:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@User:PrimeHunter: Oh yes! I was scared my browser wouldn't accept a custom "css" file I make, but now the beta button is gone! I was shocked at first, looking for a button that isn't there (but only in wikibooks, I'll add it to my Wikipedia script later maybe). What is the id for my contributions button? Thanks! -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 14:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

#pt-mycontris — xaosflux ^Talk 15:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Notably, your browser isn't accepting this as a custom css file, we are parsing it and including it with your load; some browsers will allow you to load a local, private css file - but you would have to check with your browser specs for that. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

If this is the "User menu" dropdown to the right of the red alerts bell/counter, it doesn't seem to use ids except for the menu as a whole. In minerva skin, for me, the six entries in the list have their own individual classes, as follows:

• .menu__item--user - for the user page entry
• .menu__item--mytalk - for the Talk entry
• .menu__item--sandbox - for the Sandbox entry
• .menu__item--watchlist - for the Watchlist entry
• .menu__item--mycontris - for the Contributions entry
• .menu__item--logout - for the Log out entry

To hide two or more, you would comma-separate them thus:

.menu__item--sandbox,
.menu__item--mycontris {
  display: none;
}

I'm one of those who avoids !important wherever possible, it's a cop-out with effects that are not entirely predictable. If those selectors don't work alone, the thing to do is increase the specificity of the selectors. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:03, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, thanks guys! That is quite a list! Thanks! -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 16:14, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Now that I have hidden most of the buttons, how do I add them back to the "tools" section of the sidebar (or anywhere in the sidebar)? To be more specific, "moving", "page history" and the "watchlist" button (I assume I need a Java script file for this, that's fine). -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 09:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

In CSS you can't. You would need to use JavaScript, and that is outside my field of knowledge. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

The history link could probably be done fairly easily with a WP:PORTLET link. ― Qwerfjkltalk 07:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, all. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe doesn't seem to be readable for me in Chrome, and I'm getting reports that it's not readable while logged out in Firefox (but maybe it is while logged in?). Is this a known problem? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

This seems to be a general issue with MassMessage. I have a smaller list and can't see it unless I go to page history or start editing. —GMX^{(on the go!)} 19:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't see that page either in Chrome, even in mw:safemode. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Try now, I reset the page. Can't promise it won't break again! — xaosflux ^Talk 21:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I can see the Signpost page now, but not GMX's page. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I cant see it on mobile safari, but on a Miraheze page, I was able to see the add targets but not see my targets. IAmChaos(alt acct - please ping my main) 20:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

• Seems like a bit more of what was going on in phab:T63926, if anyone knows how to get the massmessage extension maintainers to be more interested in that, please help! — xaosflux ^Talk 21:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

  mw:Developers/Maintainers says that this extension is not maintained by any WMF team. I'm not sure who does maintain it, beyond individuals trying to do their best. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Wctaiwan and X-Savitar: is MMS something you are still working on? — xaosflux ^Talk 15:35, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

  I haven't worked on this in a long time, but at first glance I don't think this is the same issue as what was reported in the Phabricator task. I'm unable to reproduce the issue either logged in or logged out in Firefox and Safari, but if I can get a repro I can probably take a look. wctaiwan (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

  Legoktm pointed out that this might be phab:T299896. I can try to take a look in the next few days. wctaiwan (talk) 15:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello, over on wikispecies, Felis catus (this version) is using indicators to display to the right of the page name/title, a/the vernacular name, based on the user's language, chosen via the language selector, using:

Hello, following on from the item above re the proposed display as the wikispecies page title, in addition to the taxon's scientific/Latin name (the page name), a/the vernacular name according to the user's language, chosen via the language selector (a $wgRestrictDisplayTitle-related patch is currently at the review stage per Phabricator:T303665), I am encountering a couple of issues in preliminary testing (to be combined later with DISPLAYTITLE:):

As can be seen in the sandbox here, which is drawing on wikispecies:Felis catus, the following

((align|left|((PAGENAME))))((align|right|[ (({style|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted">))}((#invoke:Transcluder|main|Felis catus|only=parameters|parameters=((Uselang))))</span> ]))

<indicator name="vernacular pagename">[ (({style|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted">))}((#invoke:Transcluder|main|((BASEPAGENAME))|only=parameters|parameters=((Uselang))))</span> ]</indicator>

(1) However, if one chooses French (fr) as one's language from the language selector, the Vernacular name is displaying the entries both for fr=Chat domestique and frr=Kaat; how do you ensure only (fr=) Chat domestique is displayed? [Raised also on Module talk:Transcluder, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 10:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)]

(2) If no vernacular name is entered for a particular language, how do you display nothing on the right-hand side, rather than [ ]? [struck, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 10:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)]

As a third issue, and of lower priority, but for future-proofing,

(3) In case a parameter=en or equivalent is entered in another part of the taxon page, as can be seen from the sandbox here, the lower on the page of the two en= entries is returned as standard; I can return the en= value from a named section higher on the page, but not if the section name has ((int:)) before it, how does one do that? Also, following another item above, how do you (in relation to Module:Transcluder) combine only=parameters|parameters= with only=templates|templates= , so that, ideally, we could ensure only the value for the parameter "en=" within the template "VN" within the section "Vernacular names" is returned? Thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You probably will have better luck asking an wikipedia on the list at phab:source/mediawiki-config/browse/master/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php$14778#L14778. English wikipedia does not use this feature. Testing this on species before the setting is live is not going to work, try previewing a page on one of the wikis in the list, make sure any saves you do are in a sandbox, those wikis are not test wikis.--Snævar (talk) 07:10, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I'm attempting to add an option parameter to ((User prog-0)) which I'm testing in a subpage of my userpage to see if what I'm adding is actually working. However, what I was told to add by SkyeWolf369 (who is much more experienced in CSS or whatever templates and userboxes are written in than I am) doesn't appear to be working. What exactly am I doing wrong? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:55, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Does it have to be in Template space for it to work properly instead of userspace? If so then I don't know how I would test it to make sure it works properly since I"d like to make sure it would be alright to add that optional parameter to the template before doing so. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I took the liberty of fixing it for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Looks like it was a pretty simple fix and it was just missing a few things that prevented it from working. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:42, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Can I be provided with a link to the diff of the edit that made it work? SkyeWolf369 (talk) 12:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Here —  Jts1882 | talk  14:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there any way to see the total number of entries in lists like that special page or Special:UnreviewedPages and the such without having to press "show the next 100" ad nausea? - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:10, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

For the most part, those would need to be built in the software, and some of them could be "expensive". You can see some examples of where this is done at Special:NewPagesFeed (bottom of the page) and Special:AutoblockList (header of the page). They can be built in to the page parsers such as the getTotalAutoblocks() function for the later. Feature requests such as phab:T163172 can be entered to discuss these. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, thank you for the information! The expensiveness factor was mostly what I wanted to know and how viable would a phab task really be for those lists. If you have anymore information towards that, I'd be happy to know. Even if the counting can be too exhaustive on the server side, maybe we still can implement it with a kind of limit and once that limit is reached it would read something like "more than X pages". Not having any kind of information whatsoever about the backlog on these situations is a bit frustrating and demoralizing, especially when you're doing cleanup campaigns.

Pinging @MusikAnimal since he was the creator of the aforementioned task, maybe some more insight can be provided. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:11, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

You could mitigate the performance issue by using the toolserver. I think quarry:query/4320 is what you are looking for, there are several lists in FlaggedRevs. I won't be updating that query, you can fork it if you want that.--Snævar (talk) 07:00, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@Snævar, thank you for that! Judging by the results, I think you have found the correct lists. But I wanted the numbers shown on the pages there because a lot of users are supposed to be looking at them. I could add them as links but special pages don't allow manual editing so... I'll go on with the phab-request and if they fail, at least I have your query for personal use. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

The query seems to run very fast, both here and on wikis with a much larger backlog, such as ruwiki. I see no issue with adding this directly to the Special:PendingChanges UI, aside from the fact that mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs is essentially an extension that no one wants to maintain, thus adding new features might be questionable. Special:UnreviewedPages does not exist here on enwiki but I assume you're referring to the special page that does exists for some FlaggedRevs installations, again such as ruwiki. If you happened to mean Special:NewPages, that should probably be a separate Phabricator task since it is part of MediaWiki Core and not FlaggedRevs.

Note also there's Special:ValidationStatistics which gives unreviewed counts, but probably because of the additional info like "most active reviewers", the results are cached and only periodically updated. I would guess that still suffices for any cleanup campaign, however.

I could add them as links but special pages don't allow manual editing so – some Special pages have interface messages that administrators can edit, such is the case for both special pages here (i.e. MediaWiki:Pendingchanges-list). However linking to a Quarry result isn't ideal because it doesn't auto-update. — MusikAnimal ^talk 14:55, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal, thanks a lot for the information! It was really insightful. Especially about the interface messages because I didn't know you could meddle with their content manually. And you're right about your assumption on Special:UnreviewedPages. Unfortunately, I'm not really accustomed with that extension and I don't know how it differs on different wikis. Only now I'm learning that it does. So far we've only used it (SqWiki) in a pretty basic manner: Accept what will appear on Google (that's how many users refer it). - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

This message is to inform the community that if you do not like the disambiguation notifications feature, you can now hide it by adding the following to your common.css (or global.css to apply to all wikis):

.mw-disambiguator-notification { display: none; }

Pinging @Vchimpanzee who requested this in a discussion from March 1. Best, — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I recently got appointed as an administrator on an another project. I only find three protection levels: allow all users, allow autoconfirmed users, allow administrators. English WP has many. Not sure if this because Administrators there have fewer powers or these are all protection levels. Can anyone help me know the list of all protection levels? Thanks! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 20:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: - Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Types_of_protection should have the information you are looking for. Hog Farm _Talk 20:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

English Wikipedia has requested additional protection levels. The ones you are finding on that wiki are the default. You probably don't need the levels we have here. Izno (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

You can find the full lists here. Do a search for 'wgRestrictionLevels'. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 20:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much, y'all. :) ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 20:30, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom you can query them directly from the api, for example here they are for piwiki. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I've had a question about how the a 'cite box' formats the access date, but cannot get an answer. I figure I'm not being clear in my question, but I cannot think of any other way to ask the question. Here's what I have done in the past. Click where I need to to place the cite. Choose correct cite type. Enter info in the box. When it comes to the access date space I always just click on the calendar icon and it automatically populates with the date in this format: 1 May 2022. I've had occasions where I've added a cite - sometimes multiple in the same article - due to there being a 'needs cite' indication in the article. Two days later another editor has reformatted all the cite dates even though I do them the way I describe. When I've asked about this so I can learn more about the why I usually get a link from the editor out to a style article. The question I am asking is 'why isn't the way the cite box formats the date acceptable?'. I get that it may be a consistency issue within the article. I also get that it might be the difference between European and American date formatting. The articles where this has happened are dealing with primarily subjects originating in the US. They have also been articles where I have done the majority of cites, although I was not the first to add cites in some cases. I get the precedence rule - first one to cite establishes the format, so to speak. Just writing this out I think I am beginning to understand some of the why, but I will ask again, Why isn't the way the cite box auto fills the date correct in all cases? Thanks to anyone who patiently responds.THX1136 (talk) 00:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

"the calender icon" is in RefTools, it looks like this File:Cite Journal October 2018.png. That particular format is configured on MediaWiki:RefToolbarConfig.js. I can see your point, if the format is not in line with policy, then the tool should not output it. If the image I linked does not match what you where using please do say so. I recon the previous thread was User talk:Walter Görlitz/Archived Talk to 2020-12#Quick question on the date thing. I am going to allow others to answer the policy part - whether that date format is allowed. --Snævar (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

That date format is OK in articles that use dmy dates (i.e. with European date format) but not otherwise. See the relevant part of the Manual of Style. This is a long-standing issue. Graham87 15:08, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Snævar I was going to say, I run into this in ProveIt, although way less than the old top toolbar. Star Mississippi 01:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

ProveIt uses "general date preference from Special:Preferences".--Snævar (talk) 04:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that is indeed the item I referred to as the 'cite box'. I will also check the link mentioned by Graham87. Thanks to you both.THX1136 (talk) 00:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I think I've finally comprehended the guidelines and the answer to my question. I have some random cognitive issues at times and this was one of those times. Thanks again for your patience and responses.THX1136 (talk) 23:38, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Using Monobook, Edge, Win11. The Edit tab at the top of the page now says "siesie", which does not appear to mean anything in any language. DuncanHill (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@DuncanHill; Is your language set to en-gb at Special:Preferences? ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: Yes, and it's never said siesie before. DuncanHill (talk) 20:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: Try changing it to en. Somebody at translatewiki.net has changed the translation, and it's better to use en, which is much better maintained. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: If I could find where to fix it on translatewiki I would do that. I appreciate that there is a concerted campaign against the use of BrEng, but hadn't expected it to go so far as actual vandalism of the translations. DuncanHill (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

From memory, en-gb doesn't offer any benefits over en - there are no British English words used in the interface messages. That is why it is strongly recommended to use en. @Xaosflux may be able to better explain it. ― Qwerfjkltalk 21:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I think there are a few cases where spelling differs in interface messages, such as "Uncategorized"/"Uncategorised" and "License"/"Licence". --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I once made a full comparison and only found some -ize/-ise cases and a handful of other spelling differences. There were no different words like lift/elevator. I don't think anyone has ever deliberately harmed en-gb but there has been several cases where somebody accidentally saved translations to other languages as en-gb. "siesie" appears to be in the Twi language. The English Wikipedia generally only makes customized messages in the default en, not the other around 450 language settings. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:39, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

• See Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal where it warns you that: Language (Warning: Selecting a language other than 'en - English' will prevent you from seeing localized parts of the interface on the English Wikipedia, and you may see inaccurate external translations.):. You will need to track down the bad translation on translatewiki, get it reverted, then wait for the next time that mediawiki core updates from translatewiki to get that variant corrected. Using English variant interface languages is discouraged. — xaosflux ^Talk 21:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

  Looks like it's been fixed already. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

  Update: Looks like a translatewiki admin already deleted that bad translation, so now you just have to wait. — xaosflux ^Talk 21:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

  Already fixed in mediawiki core, too. So next Thursday, I guess. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

  I wouldn't call it a translation. It is the transliteration in English for "thank you" in Mandarin. 71.105.141.131 (talk) 14:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

  I expect it also means "Edit" in Twi, as the translation was mistakenly created by a translator to that language. Matma Rex talk 21:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

  I see no such warning on Special:Preferences. Modest Genius ^talk 20:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Modest Genius, perhaps you're not using 'en' as your language? The message is MediaWiki:Yourlanguage and it's only visible if your interface language is English already as the warning is added locally here, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?uselang=en. The variant languages use the stock message: en-ca, en-gb which does not contain the warning. (And funnily enough, it's situations like this that the warning is meant to prevent.)– Ammarpad (talk) 11:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

• I came here to report the same issue. Glad to hear it's in the process of being fixed, though I'm surprised it takes so long. Modest Genius ^talk 20:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
• It's still saying siesie today. Has someone reverted the correction? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit = Siesie?

I just came on today and the word "edit" on the editing tab at the top of a page has been replaced with the word "siesie". Is this a glitch or some sort of hack? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@The C of E: This was also asked above; see #Edit tab says siesie. DanCherek (talk) 08:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Kenkan

As an aside, the "Read" tab displays as "Kenkan", which appears in the mediawiki link above alongside "siesie". I would be interested to know if this is a common problem in translate wiki, or if it's only the en-gb ones that get noticed here. CMD (talk) 05:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Cursory web search: Kenkan in Japanese apparently means "dislike/hatred of Korea". 69.203.140.37 (talk) 13:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I expect it also means "Read" in Twi, as the translation was mistakenly created by a translator to that language. Matma Rex talk 21:36, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis It is an occasional problem for other languages as well, see e.g. this bug report from a few years ago about incorrect translations appearing in Catalan. It seems to be somewhat more common for British English, I suspect there are two reasons for it: a) apparently zero people review translations to British English b) relatively many people set British English as one of the languages they speak on Translatewiki, which makes it easier to accidentally start translating to the wrong language. Matma Rex talk 21:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I would be willing to review translations to British English since 1. It's simply just English with alternate spellings and 2. it needs someone to review the translations. Unfortunately I have a feeling I would have to be an admin or something to do so. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf I don't think you need to be an admin, although you might have to request translator rights (I'm not sure how the process works these days). Just sign up on translatewiki: (note that it's a separate site not maintained by WMF, so the account is not shared with Wikipedia), and then watch for the translations on recent changes or in the proofreading interface. Matma Rex talk 17:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

As an aside from the thread: British English is more than just alternate spellings. There is different vocabulary (for example, "torch" vs. "flashlight") and idioms (for example, "in hospital" vs. "in the hospital"). That being said, I'm not sure if the differences will come up a lot in Wikipedia interface messages. isaacl (talk) 03:04, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Issacl: Yes you are right. I honestly forget that sometimes, British English has different words for things than in American English (like "trousers" vs. "pants" or "chips" vs. "fries", or "petrol" vs."gas"/"gasoline") ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 12:58, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Isaacl: Repinging since I messed up the username. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

The number of interface messages using a different word (as opposed to a different spelling of the same word) is very small. I know of no messages where the actual word used might cause confusion. I do know, however, that the word "moot" is used often in talkpage discussions where the user of that word is unaware that it has different meanings in British and American English - and that those meanings are opposite. So I avoid its use altogether, choosing some non-ambiguous wording instead. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Honestly when you said that I thought you were saying the meaning of moot in both languages was opposite, not that the meanings were opposites of each other. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 22:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

You're right. In my first time on translatewiki, I tried translating Twinkle messages to Hindi language until I realised minutes later, that I was in fact translating it to British English, and that all my translations went to the wrong place. Plus, I wasn't able to find an Undo button. I expect more people to have suffered this way. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 18:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

…still "siesie" today. Any idea how to get this fixed? CX Zoom: can you share a link to where you were editing? —Sladen (talk) 09:39, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sladen (and everyone else). So yes: Set your language to English and this problem should go away for you. For any other translated message errors, you just have to wait for the update cycles. We're not going to create English Wikipedia overrides for these unless something outright vulgar is in there. — xaosflux ^Talk 11:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

((#time:e)) returns UTC absolutely everywhere. Is it even possible to get for example "Europe/Berlin" from dewiki? I know

api = new mw.Api; api.get( { format: 'json', action: 'query', meta: 'siteinfo', siprop: 'general'} ).then( function ( data ) {window.alert(data.query.general.timezone)} );

gives me that, but is it possible to obtain this value in wikitext? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Never mind. It's ((#timel: e)) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I created a Template:MLAWIN to substitute the templates for transclusion. Supposed to be used as ((subst:MLAWIN|2008)) . This was supposed to output this . As you can see here, my attempts [10] to get the year added failed and the template was added instead. Can someone update the template to rectify so that it provides an output like this. Venkat TL (talk) 08:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

<section> tags are not allowed in wikitext. Ruslik_Zero 14:31, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I see. Thank you. Venkat TL (talk) 14:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: <section> alone is not allowed but your example tried to use <section begin=.../> and <section end=.../> from Help:Labeled section transclusion#Section marking. The problem was that the section name must be a constant string and not a wikitext expression. The section tags are evaluated before the wikitext to determine which wikitext to evaluate. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

ok. @PrimeHunter Thank you for looking into it and responding. I will now tag it for deletion as it is unviable. Venkat TL (talk) 15:30, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

((SAFESUBST:#invoke:String|match|s= [[Foo|bar]] |pattern=%[%[([^%((!))%]]+)%]%])) → Foo|bar
((SAFESUBST:#invoke:String|match|s= [[Foo|bar]] |pattern=%[%[([^%((!))%]]+)%((!))[^%]]+%]%])) → Category:Errors reported by Module StringString Module Error: Match not found
but without SAFESUBST
((#invoke:String|match|s= [[Foo|bar]] |pattern=%[%[([^%((!))%]]+)%]%])) → String Module Error: Match not found
((#invoke:String|match|s= [[Foo|bar]] |pattern=%[%[([^%((!))%]]+)%((!))[^%]]+%]%])) → Foo
I know this is because of the pipe in the link, but is there any way around this (that can be substituted as well)? ― Qwerfjkltalk 12:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

The problem isn't the pipe in the link, it's that ((!)) is not expanded when substing so your pattern winds up trying to match [^%((!))%]] rather than [^%|%]] as you intend. If you change it to ((SAFESUBST:!)) it should work. Anomie⚔ 18:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello. On User talk:Elle(Sri Lanka), MalnadachBot tried to fix Lint errors in this edit. Due to an unclosed nowiki tag and broken template, it caused the bots' signature to appear after many comments which has unescaped ~~~~ after the nowiki. I tried to fix that and take the page back to how it looked before in this edit, but it somehow opened an unblock request. Jpgordon restored the page to before the bot edit, which caused their signatures to appear after others' comments (diff). I assume that due to some software change after 2014, anyone who edits a page with unescaped ~~~~ will have their signature inserted in its place. I noticed this happen to MalnadachBot in 5 pages by doing insource search. Seeking advice on what is the best way to prevent this from happening. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 18:38, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ, after User talk:Elle(Sri Lanka) (diff ~599759546) the crap just kept piling up. I manually added ((unsigned)) everywhere by going through the history for the usernames and times, should be ok now. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: thanks for your effort, but the page has been deleted now. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 04:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

It has always worked like this as far as I know. It's not a MediaWiki bug but an unfortunate result of errors in the wikitext. It looks difficult to make a MediaWiki change which handles it automatically in a reliable way. Maybe a user script which examines the page history could be made but the user would probably have to check the diff before saving. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:16, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Jpgordon, I disagree with this deletion. I had fixed the technical issues, there was no vandalism on that page IIRC and talk pages with block messages/unblock requests should be public whenever possible for optimal transparency. We don't delete talk pages from blocked people because they're blocked. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:04, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Shrug. I can restore it if anyone cares, but really, this was one of my extremely rare WP:IAR moments. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 18:07, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Jpgordon, could you please restore it? There was no reason for the deletion (not after I fixed it anyway) and the deletion could confuse sock puppet investigators if one would ever investigate if the account can be linked to another sockmaster. (it's uncommon on something this old but it happens) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:04, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

As one of the prime sock puppet investigators, I think the likelihood of this account ever being useful for anything is about as low as possible, and any sock puppet investigator is likely to be an admin entirely capable of looking at the deleted page, but sure, done. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 00:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

If a page has a typo in its title and you want to fix it, you move it. However, if you're not an admin, there is no way for you to NOT leave a redirect from the old page or delete the old page altogether. (My information here may be wrong because it has been a lot of time since I saw the interface as a non-admin.) I understand that giving delete permission to non-admins might present a big potential for abuse but is there a way to move a page while simultaneously not leaving a redirect and tagging the old page for deletion? - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:17, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi, yes, There exists a special right called WP:PAGEMOVER. That does exactly what you want. Today I asked the service of one from WP:RMT Venkat TL (talk) 14:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL, thank you! That's exactly what I wanted as you stated. Do you know of any way I can check which wikis have this privilege group activated globally? - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi No. That is beyond my understanding or knowledge, which is limited to the page I linked. May be admins such as @Ruslik0 or @PrimeHunter can guide you. Venkat TL (talk) 17:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Klein Muçi and Venkat TL: Our "Page Mover" is a custom group we have here on enwiki, the group is not the secret here - it is having the underlying (suppressredirect) permission. On WMF wiki's this permission is only in 'sysop' and 'bot' on all projects. If a project wants to extend this permission to users, they could just ask to have it added to something like autoconfirmed, or add to an existing group such as autoreviewer or reviewer - they do not necessarily need to create a bespoke group unless they want to manage membership differently. Most projects, especially very small projects don't have any need for bespoke user groups. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, am I to understand EnWiki is the only one with that permission extended outside admin/bot user groups? - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Klein Muçi no there are many, but not necessarily also needing a new "group" just to assign it. For example, bnwiki added it to their 'reviewer' group, bnwikivoyage addedit to their 'patroller' group, and elwiki added it to their 'rollbacker' group. Some projects made a group just for that purpose, for example ckbwiki. Much of what it right for a project is how they want to control who has access to what functions. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:18, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Changes to user groups and user rights for Wikimedia wikis are made in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. Settings for a wiki can be seen at Special:ListGroupRights but it cannot be edited at the wiki. Requests can be made at phab: with a link to a consensus at the wiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:41, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

See also m:Requesting wiki configuration changes. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 22:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Klein Muçi, as said page movers can suppress redirects. In case of files (which you can't move at all because you're not a Wikipedia:File mover), LuckyRename automatically tags unwanted redirects for deletion if you can't suppress them. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:40, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone for the information provided! That's all I wanted to know and more. :D - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:35, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I was trying to link the English wiki article for Arnold McCuller in the Portuguese Wikipedia like this: [[en:Arnold McCuller|Arnold McCuller]], but it resulted in it not showing. A similar test I made in the English Wikipedia's sandbox produced the same result, but it works just fine on metawiki when I tried it out. Is it just my browser or is it some weird glitch? wizzito | say hello! 04:42, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

If you are trying to link it inline, then you must place a colon in front: [[:en:Arnold McCuller|Arnold McCuller]]. The way you linked it is a pre-Wikidata interwiki link. Izno (talk) 04:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

See more at Help:Interlanguage links. It behaves differently at meta because there isn't meta wikis in different languages. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Wizzito, use w:pt:Música de Chiquititas (2013). The w specifies the project. See also m:Help:Interwiki linking. Or give Bawl a shot (enable full page editing in the settings) which rewrites external links automatically so you can just copy/paste them from your address bar. This project is still early access so the occasional bug could arise, but see my edit history. I hardly use anything else now. Most bugs are fairly minor at this point and those that are still around generally don't affect full page editing. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 05:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Weird, because I swear I've linked that way a lot and it just seems like it stopped working recently? wizzito | say hello! 05:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The [[lang:Page]] format was never for making inline links, it was for updating the "in other languages" section (and it still used that way for non-content pages); for articles this is now usually done with wikidata links. — xaosflux ^Talk 10:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

What linking without a colon at the start does is namespace-dependent, in a way that is probably confusing. —Kusma (talk) 10:49, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The "Edit Request Wizard" project is going well. We're getting a lot of students who are interested in working on the project this summer. If you want to help out by taking a look at their "microtask" submissions, that would be great. The first microtask is to try making an edit request and write down how that went; it should take just a few minutes to review. You can review as much or as little as you want, and I'm sure the students will really appreciate it. To get involved, just sign up on https://wikimedia.zulipchat.com and send me (@Enterprisey) a private message. Enterprisey (talk!) 03:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Enterprisey: I read the Phab and I am confused. Are these microtask edit request going to show up in the edit request backlog? There is already a large backlog of edit requests, how does adding a large number of test edit requests help? Is there a way for edit request reviewers to quickly identify which edit requests are part of this microtask so we can distinguish them from real edit requests? RudolfRed (talk) 16:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Good catch. I've updated the instructions to require users to identify themselves as working on this project. I originally intended to have a requirement like that but must have forgot. I don't see a problem with clogging up the backlog, because in practice there has been only one edit request resulting from this (2022-02-15, by @Tsuirot). It was declined, but I disagree with the decline (because it's non-obvious that the statement is sourced to the scorecard (no visual connection), but whatever). I would be surprised if there were more than a single-digit number of edit requests made in total. The process isn't very easy for people with zero experience. We can revisit the question if we notice any low-quality edit requests. Enterprisey (talk!) 18:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. RudolfRed (talk) 20:17, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I wonder whether it'd be possible to add Special:Tags to each edit. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I've almost never used the mobile editing interface myself resorting to getting the desktop view even when from mobile. Lately though I've had a user come for help at SqWiki about many mobile editing aspects. He's continuously asking for translation of certain strings and this made me understand that for us the whole mobile interface is almost untranslated. The system messages are, apparently, different for mobile and for desktop. Is that true for every/most system message? What has been the reasoning behind this? Asking because I want to learn more because, as I said, I know almost nothing for mobile editing.

Also, the said user is continuously struggling with talk messages not knowing how to ping, indent or sign. I'm teaching him/her in the manual way but it's surprising to me because he/she is most likely a new user. Shouldn't the reply tools be automatically activated for him/her? How do the said tools work for mobile? What is the right way to approach new users about activating them, especially on mobile scenarios?

Finally, he/she asked about help about adding WikiData links for an article in regard to its homologues in other languages. I was thinking that it would be somehow similar and switched to mobile view from my laptop but I couldn't locate the place where you can do that.

Any kind of help would be appreciated because I'm a total newbie in this aspect. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

With regards to the reply tool on mobile, I understand it is planned to be released there eventually. ( @Whatamidoing (WMF)? ) ― Qwerfjkltalk 16:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

mw:Talk pages project/Mobile is available at htwiki right now (the team needed a public wiki to check something, and the lone regular mobile user there agreed to it) and should start deploying in the next couple of weeks, but sqwiki isn't on the initial list. @PPelberg (WMF), would you have any objections to adding the Albanian Wikipedia to that first batch? Otherwise, it'll be months before this new user gets it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:53, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

And regarding WikiData, you can access the page's Wikidata item through the horizontal 3 dots on the right. ― Qwerfjkltalk 17:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: mobile interface messages have their own blocks in translatewiki. So they would have to be translated separately even though many of the strings would be same as in desktop. Looking at the progress for sq, Mobile frontend, User interface, Minerva Neue, Mobile apps and Commons app all have less than 10% translated. More translation of these would improve Mobile users' experience. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 17:24, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl, is that the only way? Do I have to do the edit in WikiData so that it connects with the other languages? So "strange"...

@ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ, naive question if you have the information: Can't some of them be joined if they have similar outputs? Why is it important that they stay on different blocks? - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: they are separate because they are part of different Mediawiki extensions. Messages cannot be joined, but if a message with same or similar text has already been translated, it will show up in the suggestion window so that it can be quickly copied in a click. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 18:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ, ah, I see. So that's a phenomenon that goes outside the mobile/desktop case. Okay then. That covers everything about translations I believe. Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:43, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, yes. ― Qwerfjkltalk 19:50, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

15:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

People on this page will want to note that line about the schedule change. WP:THURSDAY isn't on Thursday this week. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:33, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

In the last two weeks Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as copyright violations has gone from acting normally, to having PAGESINCATEGORY list 1 article (even though there are none), and at current tally it's giving 0, despite there being no actual pages in that category. I've looked for everything I could think of as far as hidden text goes, and while I know that the dbase sometimes lags and you'll see a single page when there isn't, now that there are 4 ghost pages in there I'm starting to think this is a bug and not just a glitch. (please ping on reply) Primefac (talk) 10:13, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Given that phab:T85696 says we can now get recounts by purging the page, I tried to purge both the category and Template:CSD-categories but nothing happened. So yeah, maybe another bug? —Kusma (talk) 10:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

This has been going on for a while, I know I've started discussions here about category counts being off. Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions has 1 page listed for many days even though the category is almost always empty. Originally it was the CSD spam category that was off, by as many as 7 pages off the actual number of pages but that was fixed a few weeks ago. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:33, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't want to forum shop but we have a problem with XFDcloser that I posted about at Wikipedia talk:XFDcloser/Archive 5#XFDcloser not deleting pages at RFD and it hasn't had any response. Maybe someone here will know how to fix this problem. Thanks for any help you can offer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Liz it looks like the builds for this are done at github, you could try opening a bug there to get the attention of more developers. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:48, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry in the advance for the chaotic description!

In SqWiki, when viewing the recent changes, having activated the popup gadgets, I can quickly see a change by hovering over it and if it is a vandalism, I can click the "Revert" button next to it to revert that change. However if the change is good, no "Accept" button exists next to it to quickly approve it. Can someone explain to me why? And if something similar to my description can be implemented somehow? Maybe by a user script?

The question comes in a desperate time for us where reviewing changes is starting to get out of hands having less than 20 active reviewers in total. Edit filters, ORES and quick-reverting in the method I described above have helped keep vandalisms in check and have halved the list but accepting changes is still pretty time consuming for our small group of human resources. If accepting them, maybe only small ones, would be as quickly as reverting them, maybe, the list could be further halved again. - Klein Muçi (talk) 19:44, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi "revert" as part of most popup scripts is just a general function. "Accept" sounds like part of Special:PendingChanges or a similar extension, which the popup script maintainer likely didn't write a function for. enwiki uses server-side pending changes very rarely, those patrolling them either just use the special page or their watchlists. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: Can you clarify why the changes need to be accepted? on SqWiki, are all pages under "Pending Changes" protection? Can you turn that off and just worry about rejecting bad edits? RudolfRed (talk) 20:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, the "revert" I'm talking about is not part of the popup script/gadget. [riktheje] (Albanian) is a function of our Wikipedia per se, most likely coming from the FlaggedRevs extension as I learned here some days ago. You're right about the Accept part though. It is part of the special page you mention (Special:PendingChanges). If you choose to review any of the pages in there, you'll get 2 main buttons: Accept changes or Revert changes. The later is the same as the one we already have in Special:RecentChanges but the first one is missing there and can only be accessed through the special page you mention, when choosing a specific edit to review. I'd want to have those 2 buttons in Special:RecentChanges but instead I only have 1 (the revert one). The Navigation popups gadget has nothing to do with all this beside the fact that I use that to hover over the edits in Special:RecentChanges and to quickly see what has happened.

@RudolfRed, I'm not really sure because I haven't dealt much with antivandalism myself. It has always been like that for us I believe. At least it has been ever since I can remember. Allowing every edit to be added immediately to every page would leave too much place for abuse I believe. :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 04:04, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Update: I say "Revert" but apparently the name in English for what I'm describing is rollback. Beside this button in Special:RecentChanges I'd want to also have an "Accept" button. Any way to achieve that? (The aforementioned gadget and extension are of a secondary importance in this matter.) - Klein Muçi (talk) 04:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

You would either need to extension devs to write a hook in to recentchanges (quite unlikely) or get a script author to add this to a script, there isn't just an option or setting to make that appear. — xaosflux ^Talk 09:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

1. What extension would need to be changed?
2. How can I write the request in a clear and understandable manner so I can ask it as a script request here? - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

   @Klein Muçi Note that the English Wikipedia uses "Pending Changes" (i.e. Flagged Revisions in protection only mode) - which is different than what sqwiki uses. Pending changes can quickly get severely backlogged if it is enabled without a sufficient volunteer reviewer community (e.g. it seems that sqwiki currently has a 604 day backlog).

   • The extension is mw:Extension:FlaggedRevs, general questions about it can be raised at mw:Extension talk:FlaggedRevs
     • I doubt you are are going to get its devs to extend it as phab:T185664 shows that extension is already critically unmaintained.
   • You could try asking over at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests to see if anyone here is interested it working on a new script (that won't really get used here much) - maybe you will get lucky. Just ask in plain language as a user story: Describe your current workflow, and what you think could be improved with some scripting.
   • You started by asking about what I'm assuming is the sqwiki gadget, Flluska shfletimi, which seems to be a fork of ours, so if you want this to somehow be integrated to that script you could try asking our volunteers at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-popups.js.

   Hope that helps some! — xaosflux ^Talk 13:25, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

   @Xaosflux that helps a lot and you've described the situation perfectly. Can you also explain the difference between the ways we use FlaggedRevs? - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:10, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

   @Klein Muçi in protection only mode like we use here on enwiki, administrators must activate pending changes on a per-page basis as needed, similar to how we would apply page protection (see some examples in our log). FlaggedRevs on sqwiki is in full mode, applying to to entire namespaces (see phab:T27822) (c.f. phab:T44782 about autopromote thresholds). — xaosflux ^Talk 14:22, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

   @Xaosflux, hmm... So you basically apply that as a form of a lesser protection. What happens to all the other articles? They really get updated in real time, as soon as someone does an edit to them, no matter who that person may be? - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:49, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

   Yes, as the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit that may be considered a feature! (It does require a huge anti-vandalism effort, but we have huge anti-vandalism resources). — xaosflux ^Talk 19:12, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

   @Klein Muçi, I believe that dewiki atnd sqwiki have similar tools for that. If you haven't sorted it out already, try asking for help at w:de:WP:FZW or at w:de:Wikipedia:Technik/Werkstatt. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

   Thank you for the information! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there markup which can be put around source content that will only display it on desktop or only display it on mobile? · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 14:45, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

((If mobile))?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:50, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Trappist the monk, perfect, thanks. I have been looking for it for hours. The name is obvious after the fact. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 17:12, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a Javascript tool which I could use to parse templates from wikitext? It should handle comments, nowiki, etc.

I have one already written for PHP but it is quite a task to convert to Javascript.

Presumably this would be used in the browser, although server-side would be a nice addition. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 01:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre

Yes, there are many. One example seems to be https://www.npmjs.com/package/simple-wikitext-parser , which looks good enough. If that doesn't meet your standards, there are many more out there.

I don't know what you mean by "handle comments" (the parser should ignore them). At the very least, I think they can see inside nowiki too. Rlink2 (talk) 01:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I think mw:API:Parsing wikitext is what you're looking for. For example: ((Lorem ipsum))<!-- Foobar --> will be parsed to [14]. If yes, writing a short script should be no big deal. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 02:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Magog the Ogre, why do you want to do this? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:11, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Revolutionary Marxist Party of India (RMPI) would not show up correctly on Bhoa Assembly Constituency Can someone help to fix this. so that party abbreviation and its colours are shown. I cant see any obvious error in Module political party but it is still not showing up correctly. Venkat TL (talk) 08:46, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL: The problem is in the article; someone used ((Election box candidate)) instead of ((Election box candidate with party link)). Cheers, Number 57 08:50, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Number 57, oh. Thanks for fixing it for me. Venkat TL (talk) 08:58, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

The category redirect Category:Foo (to Category:X1_ is filling up again with a lot of .js pages that the redirect bot can't fix. Can somebody with the skills and permissions please identify the source and amend it to clear the category? Thanks in advance. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Timrollpickering: Please always include an example. You said "filling up again" but none of the current pages have been edited since 2011 so I don't know whether you refer to those or something has changed since your post. It can only be changed by the user or an interface editor, but I don't know whether they edit user js to clean up non-article categories. The issue is that js pages are evaluated as wikitext when link tables are made so [[Category:Foo]] in a JavaScript comment (which has different syntax from a wikitext comment) causes categorization. Some scripts add wikitext comment syntax <!-- ... --> inside JavaScript comments to avoid this. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

It's mostly simpler to wrap the whole page in nowiki tags i.e.

// <nowiki>
. . .
// </nowiki>

 ― Qwerfjkltalk 16:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

The problem seems to be caused by something in the script on pages like User:Abu badali/popups.js that somehow causes them to populate the categories years later for no obvious reason. This has repeatedly caused problems with that redirect and the pages are locked against editing to fix them. Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 181#General was a previous round of this. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

If I had to guess, this is related to Wbm1058's bot that is null-editing old pages. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:35, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

It is filling up now as Tim said. These were added at the end of the category page since my first post:

• User:Manecke/popups.js
• User:Markhurd/popups.js
• User:Markhurd/popupsdev.js
• User:Mickster810/monobook.js
• User:Mulder416/popups.js

Recent null edits would cause that if the content wouldn't have added the category the last time link tables were made for the pages. There is around 240 kB of JavaScript before the category code. Some change in the wikitext parser might have deactivated the category code earlier but not now when the parser tries to interpret all that JavaScript as wikitext. Garbage in, garbage out. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:18, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

As I write this, there are 24 pages in Category:Foo and I just checked out 6 of them (25%) - every single one has the line

// eg [[category:foo]] and [[Category:Foo]] are equivalent

That is the offending line; the fix is as per Qwerfjkl's post of 16:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC) but only an WP:INTADMIN can do this (I'm not one). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Indeed per THIS I've been null-editing pages in user space and have noticed several js pages being purged. Is there a Phabricator for .js pages being processed as wikitext? wbm1058 (talk) 23:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

phab:T280448 is about an example of pages with non-wikitext content model being processed as wikitext to make link tables. I assume it's deliberate and we rely on it in some cases. CSD templates work on js and css pages by adding a CSD category without displaying a CSD message. Many scripts like User:Anomie/linkclassifier.js have installation instructions with // Linkback: [[User:Anomie/linkclassifier.js]] to appear at Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Anomie/linkclassifier.js without actually displaying a link. I don't want this feature removed but maybe there could be an option to disable it on a page without resorting to tricks like <nowiki>...</nowiki>. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:57, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I have fixed this. Mostly by clearing out ancient unused copies or ancient copies by users who have not had recent activity. A couple of category link removals. Izno (talk) 00:25, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

The JS entries in Category:X1 should probably also be de-linked (seeing as how these categories are supposed to be "transient"). Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Can anyone fix the image scaling? The downscaled images are way too blurry, and it has been like that for years. Does it not bother anyone?--88.100.176.55 (talk) 16:10, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Where? Examples always help. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:44, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Example https://ibb.co/DtbQdwv 88.100.176.55 (talk) 17:41, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

It seems it happens to all images in mobile view. As if their resolution was halved compared to the actual resolution. 88.100.176.55 (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not going to follow cryptic links to untrusted sites. Is that a screenshot? If so, then per the notice displayed to you when you posted here, please follow the directions at Wikipedia:Screenshots of Wikipedia. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

JPEG was made for photos (P stands for "Photographic"). JPEG#Typical usage: "JPEG is not well suited for line drawings and other textual or iconic graphics, where the sharp contrasts between adjacent pixels can cause noticeable artifacts". It's already poor quality when I view the original file Media:CERN accelerator complex (cropped).jpeg at full 10,470 × 7,292 resolution. When my desktop Firefox browser scales it to the same size as https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/CERN_accelerator_complex_(cropped).jpeg/380px-CERN_accelerator_complex_(cropped).jpeg, the result is about equally bad. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah in this particular case, there is little you can technically do. Someone should extract an SVG out of it, but even then, these lines and text are not MEANT to be thumbnailed, their original intent is to view them at A4 / powerpoint deck size. No matter how much effort you put into the thumbnailing, the design just isn't that suited for small sizes. This is an editorial problem, not a technical problem. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

True, mobile images began being blurry due to phab:T119797 in 2016, but it might get changed due to phab:T293303. See also phab:T127015, which should make the images smaller on mobile.--Snævar (talk) 04:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

((anchor)) is a useful template that is used in many articles. However, for alternate IDs for headings, it should ideally be placed directly below the heading, but this has UX implications for readers, so the guideline is to either put it before the heading or subst it inside the heading, which both have UX implications for authors. I'm wondering if there's possibly a CSS solution by now in Template talk:Anchor#CSS solution. Since I've never used anything from the CSS Scroll Snap module, I'm not sure it actually provides a viable and good solution. Therefore, I would like some input from people who have experience in this regard. — Christoph Päper 11:23, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

In templates, the text ((#time:j F Y|(({start-date|))))} standardizes the formatting of dates, but only if a full date is entered. If only a year is entered, it returns that year with today's day and month. Is there a way to detect whether the user only entered a year? I want it to display something like "c. 1867" in those cases. Thanks! —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 21:52, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Arctic.gnome: Simply remove the j F part. ((#time:Y|1867-09-25)) outputs 1867. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 22:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

See also: How to use the #time parser function. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 22:13, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

If I do that, it will always show the year only, even if the user entered a full date. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 22:28, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I messed up somewhere. Need to rethink a bit. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 23:21, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Here it is. There are some false positives but in general it does work. I'm not sure if there is a more precise wikitext way for this problem. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 02:24, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Woah, fancy! Thanks! I didn't know about the string|len command you used, and I have to ask: could I use that command to simply say that if the input is four characters long, display it as a year, otherwise display it as a date? That might be less precise, but it would be a lot shorter. Alternatively, could your code be used to make a new template that takes ambiguous inputs and returns correct dates? —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 15:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Arctic.gnome: If you assume it's either a year or valid date then the simplest may be to use ((Ifnumber)): ((Ifnumber|(({start-date|))}|c. (({start-date))}|((#time:j F Y|(({start-date|))))))}. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

That's also a useful template to put in my back pocket. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Arctic.gnome: The input date is not always written in Y-m-d form. They can also be in Unix timestamp form (1712272888), full date (4 April 2024), ISO 8601 (2024-04-04T23:21:28+00:00), RFC 5322 (Thu, 04 Apr 2024 23:21:28 +0000), or even some abnormal format like 3.14159265359 seconds (2029-04-21 – it means "3:14 AM today, plus 159265359 seconds") (For archives: 2027-04-10) / a potato (2024-04-04 – outputs this very second, minus one hour, with no errors!?).

Weird, but that's how ((#time)) works. Note that I wrapped all (({1|))} in it, and while I used ((#invoke:string|len)), it is not a wise, and pure wikitext, way to detect parameter value with year only. As a counter-example, 00:00:00 April 04 1990 can also be written as 639187200; the "template" above outputs 1990 with 1990 as input, but will give 1990-03-24 with 639187200. Wikitext, as far as I know, can't do such a thing like detecting how precise an input date is with just the date itself. It needs at least a second parameter that tells it how precise that date is. Here's something you might want to try at to Special:ExpandTemplates (see hidden comment, remember to remove ((void|1=): NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 19:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

Not sure what's going on here: I'm trying to use intitle:/a$/ to look for articles with titles that end with "a", but instead, the search returns all titles that contain the string "a$". I'm a bit familiar with regex, so the "$" symbol should look for the end rather than a literal "$" key (which would traditionally be found with "\$" instead to escape the regex functionality. See Special:Search/intitle:/a$/ for the results; I even tried Special:Search/intitle:/a\$/ (with the "$" escaped), but it provided the same results as the previous search. Is this a known issue, and/or is there a workaround for this? Steel1943 (talk) 22:21, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

This is not a thing in Special:Search. Neither can you search for ^. Nor [\r\n]. But .* does find newlines. Izno (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

mw:Help:CirrusSearch#Regular expression searches says that The ^ and $ are not needed. In fact they are badly needed, but not implemented. I've resorted to something like intitle:/a/ -intitle:/a./, but of course that incorrectly fails to match Banana. Certes (talk) 22:28, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Seems to work at grep.toolforge.org, albeit very slowly. Ruбlov (talk) 22:59, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

If I wanted to create a ((Maplink)) map with a pin for each featured article with coordinates listed, how would I go about doing that? I think it'd be a neat addition to the WP:FA page. (See also, somewhat related query) ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 01:19, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

How do you pushpin a comedy/news show's monologue? Or elements? Or a mathematical conundrum? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 01:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

This would only be for items that have ((coord)) or coordinate location (P625) on Wikidata. ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 04:14, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

As a basic starting point, you can make a mapframe map based on the Wikidata coordinates of two points using:

((maplink
 |type=point|id=((get QID|<article name>))
 |type2=point|id2=((get QID|<article name 2>))
))

I'll look into automatically including all featured articles when I have time in a few hours. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't know how to make it a ((maplink)), but here's a Wikidata query which gives a map if that's helpful: https://w.wiki/4yrh the wub "?!" 15:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Topic map? Donald Albury 01:36, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, Pppery and The wub! That query is excellent! Maplink's documentation here says it should be possible to create a map from the query using this approach, but I think I'm doing something wrong, since when I try I get this error:

Any idea of the issue? It seems like we're close. Cheers, ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 21:17, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb: You forgot to escape quotes. Simply put a backslash in front of each, except for the outermost ones, and voilà! NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 21:41, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

The world's FAs

@NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: Hmm, that resolves the error, but still no points showing up (see right). I feel like "geoshape" might have to be changed, since we're looking for points, not shapes, but I'm not sure what to change it to. ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 21:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb: I tried a random value and it gaves me some nice thing about what should be our input. Try geomask. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 21:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, that doesn't work either. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 22:15, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

You cannot have comments in map link, because for several reasons, line endings get stripped, which causes all content after the comment to disappear from the query. We should check if we can fix that again, because I think the escaping issue that was the reason for stripping the line endings. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Other issues, there was no id column, and the ids contained duplicates. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Apparently the id's still contain duplicates.. I don't know enough about sparql to dedupe ids. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

This doesn't work. You cannot retrieve coordinates from wikidata and use them in Kartographer, only OSM shapes and lines of wikidata IDs (You could say that the wikidata integration is more an OSM integration, being selected based on wikidata IDs retrieved from a wikidata query). See also mediawikiwiki:Help:Extension:Kartographer#External_data. See also phab:T188291. The good news is that this is one of the things that the German tech team is looking at and determining if it is one of the things in their GeoFocus area that they might look at. They have a survey (it was posted in this page recently, which you should definitely fill in if you want this feature. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I also tried ignoring map's external data feature and manually computing all of the coordinates in Lua, which ran into a "too many Wikidata entities accessed" error. And ignoring Wikidata and manually scanning the article's wikitext for ((coord)) calls, while theoretically possible, is a mess and likely to hit the Lua time limit. So, conclusion is that I don't see any way of doing this without a bot (and I say this despite strongly preferring automatic generation of things to bots updating reports). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Until you get that to work you could use a link to https://osm4wiki.toolforge.org/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki-osm.pl?project=en&article=Category:Featured%20articles Agathoclea (talk) 10:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Johanna Strodt (WMDE), I think you might be interested in this use case. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I was wondering if there is some page on wiki that keeps track of the average time it takes us to respond to an issue that needs administrative action. For example, if I wanted to see how much faster/slower it takes us to address a report at WP:UAA now compared to last year, is there some place on wiki I can see that? Is this even something that can be tracked? A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 17:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@A. C. Santacruz, I don't know about UAA, but for WP:AIV, Enterprisey had done such an analysis of reports from three months in 2020 and 2021. Hemantha (talk) 12:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I have an idea that the query parameter "useCSS" worked before (for example https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Table&useCSS=MediaWiki:Gadget-DisambiguationLinks.css). Did it, does it, and if so, how do I get it to work now? Utfor (talk) 05:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@Utfor: You mean withCSS? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 06:17, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you! Utfor (talk) 06:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

As a note, this is deprecated now with the release of a similar technology that is supported in the core software. Izno (talk) 06:21, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Izno How can this new method be used? Utfor (talk) 07:24, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@Utfor: Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?withgadget=dark-mode with a gadget name in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition. For security reasons it only works if the gadget allows it with supportsUrlLoad. We currently only have that in two gadgets – not because the other gadgets are insecure but because it's a new feature and nobody has gone through the gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

• We do still have Load_JS_and_CSS_by_URL support in common.js; and anyone could put it in to their own user/common.js if they want to; the ?withgadget method is preferred for anything/everything that is "community supported" for a number of reasons - we may eventually remove the load_js* from common.js, but the idea is still useful for certain user-level tests. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out why the documentation part of Template:Citation needed does not show section edit links, while they do appear on Template:Citation needed/doc. I'm assuming it has something to do with the page protection, but if that is the case, why does it affect the documentation which isn't protected? Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Because protection doesn't know or care about transclusions. There's a reason there's a manual edit link in the protection documentation boilerplate itself. Izno (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Template:OS/doc is on my watchlist but this edit did not appear on it. I think something like this happened to me a few months ago, although I can't 100% confirm that. I currently have 1,066 pages on my watchlist. I have ticked hide bot edits; the only change from the default settings in preferences. --DB1729 (talk) 15:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Are you using the js watchlist, and showing all edits - or just the most recent edit (as there was a more recent one, which does appear on my WL). — xaosflux ^Talk 15:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: Just the most recent. The subsequent, more recent one, is my revert --DB1729 (talk) 16:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

If you're wondering how I spotted it at all, I often check recent changes with the template namespace only filter (it's funny how many vandals manage to find document subpages of some of the most obscure templates to mess with). So what happened is I had checked my watchlist, and then I checked template recent changes and was immediately drawn to the edit in question. It was bolded because the page is on my WL, which I found odd because I had just checked it. I went back to my WL and indeed the edit was still not there. I went back to the page and reverted it, issued a warning msg, made a revert on another page and then read through Help:Watchlist to see if there was anything there explaining it. I then posted here because this is the suggested forum for such matters.DB1729 (talk) 16:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

If you exclude your own edits and view only the most recent edit, and that last edit is yours, do you see the previous edit or nothing? Certes (talk) 18:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Certes: My own edits were excluded at the time. I see nothing from that page, which is expected, right? because it is set up to only show the most recent edit (and nothing if the last is my own)? However, after reading your post, I got the idea to change it to allow my own edits to be visible, just as a test, and so now I see my revert on that page. Again, that is as expected, but it doesn't explain why I never saw the IP's edit. At least I now know that I'm getting some edits from that page. Thanks for sparking that idea.

There is another issue with my watchlist I failed to mention. Don't know if it's related. It will not load more than a handful of edits unless I force it to show more by selecting the maximum '500 changes, 30 days' in the dropdown. Even then it will only display edits from the last four to six days (today it was displaying edits from the last six days so it should've picked it up). It was far worse for a while last year when it would only show two or three individual edits. I trimmed my WL from about 1500 to 900 something, and it helped, but it took several days for it to populate to a more normal amount. I've been keeping my WL around a 1000 pages ever since, but I noticed on Help talk:Watchlist a user mentioned they have 55,000 pages on their watchlist, so I gather that 1,000-1,500 WL pages, in and of itself, should not be causing any problems. DB1729 (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Certes, I read your post more closely and realized exactly what you wanted me to do. I set my preferences to 'Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent' and 'Hide my edits from the watchlist', and I now see the IP's edit in my watchlist. Maybe it was just a one-time glitch. Thank you. DB1729 (talk) 20:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

My WL is about 1700 pages and works fine. However, if a busy page such as AIV gets onto it, I often don't see the full time range because that page has enough edits to fill my quota. Certes (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Understood. 99% of the pages on mine are very low traffic. And none of them are anywhere near as busy as AIV or ANI. The busiest I have is probably WT:F1. They are 'most recent' type edits for each page, as that it is the setting I always run. I typically have only 20 to 40 edits displaying over the past few days. That's the absolute maximum I can get it to display and why I have to set it for 30 days. That's only way I can get the damn thing to display more than a handful of edits, even though I really only need it to display the last two or three days. DB1729 (talk) 21:14, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

If one type in Template:XXX or Wikipedia:XXX into the wizard, to request edit of a protected page, the wizard will try to take you to talk:Template:XXX or talk:Wikipedia:XXX which, for obvious reason such link doesn't work. Can someone help fix the wizard? C933103 (talk) 23:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

C933103, this cannot be fixed without introducing a dependency on the user inserting the correct specific talk page namespace, which I would guess would fail its most prevalent use (that being main space). Possibly, you could add another input box for "if you don't want to change an article"... regardless, I would guess this page doesn't see all that much traffic for requesting edits. Izno (talk) 23:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, even the parent page only have ~200 view per month. And that it appears like even fixing the link wouldn't lead to loading the correct request edit template either, since there are several for different namespaces. C933103 (talk) 23:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

It there a way to have multiple columns float within a page rather than using the entire width? See South Williamsport Area School District for an example of whitespace caused by the current column layout. I have a list of a half dozen or so articles with this problem. I have tried various column templates and couldn't find a solution. A query at the Help Desk got no response. MB 14:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I suspect that you need a different template, or possibly a table. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Try adding |width=auto to the ((col-begin)). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:51, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

That helped, but the columns weren't aligned between the two different sets. So I tried |width=50% and I think that looks best. Thanks for the assist. MB 00:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello.

Just earlier, I was autoblocked because of a username policy violating account on the same IP as me.

However, when I tried to revert vandalism using SWViewer, an OAuth application, it apparently still registers edits on my user contributions page.

Is there an error or a technical restriction which allows OAuth applications to still perform edits even when blocked? Thanks. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 15:38, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Probably not a bug; the OAuth edits came from a different IP address which isn't autoblocked. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@Pppery—I also tested from a VPN network; that also worked. I suppose it's the same: it comes from a different IP that is not blocked, and when a user is blocked, OAuth applications will know that you are blocked. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 18:23, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Don't known if this is the right place to report it but I've received an alert of 18 (!???) illegitimate attempts to login on my username from English Wikipedia. Are the security settings from Wikimedia correctly set to allow this huge amount? The attempts amount where shown only when browsing on Wikimedia Commons and before I set the notification as read BTW. Lugusto 17:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Please do report these to an checkuser. In 2007, bug phab:T11836, Brion (an top developer) said "Captcha already present. Lockout is a DoS vector, unacceptable." It was considered to report it automatically to admins/checkusers, but it was not done. WMF Captcha is known to be really weak. phab:T188184 is about adding an link to the message to checkusers to act on the failed logins.--Snævar (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@555: Basically, somebody knows your username (so do I, it's 555) but they don't know your password (and nor do I). They're trying to log in as you, perhaps by guessing your password, but are not succeeding. This failure shows that security is good. The time to worry is if you find edits in your contributions that you are 100% certain that you didn't make yourself. But whatever is occurring:

• change your password at intervals
• use a strong password
• don't disclose it to anybody
• if logging in outside your own home, check for security cameras that might be aimed at the keyboard
• if you log in on somebody else's device, make sure that you explicitly log out when done and then use the browser's "clear history" (or similar) feature, ensuring that logins and passwords are cleared too

HTH. But don't get paranoid. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about those. Turn your WP:2FA on and feel free to laugh in their face. If you can't turn it on, request for 2FA Tester global flag after reading the guideline. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 21:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear all, I am an editor at the Catalan Wikipedia. We have been talking about a problem in the visual editor, but we haven't found any solution for the moment. The case is that when I press the grave accent key ( ` ) in a Spanish keyboard, a <code> is generated, which implies that the text I write next happens to be a line of code. This usually happens when the key is pressed twice, but a few users have it when they press only once, which becomes a problem while writing since Catalan has many words with a grave accent. This is how it looks like:

Això és un missatge per mostrar el problema, gracies.

Thank you very much for your time.Sjoel (talk) 18:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, this happening makes a little sense because this is the markup for "code" things in markdown. I would recommend filing a task about whether the key can/should be internationalized in some way. Maybe Whatamidoing (WMF) can help. Izno (talk) 19:02, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sjoel: I've opened phab:T304804 for more on this. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I continue to have intermittent problems, as previously raised at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 196#Wiki production problems. The problems occur when previewing and saving. I get at least 4 different manifestations - I am using Chrome.

• ERR_HTTP2_PROTOCOL_ERROR
• ERR_CACHE_MISS
• unformatted page (presumably a CSS file failed to load)
• false edit conflict i.e. when there have been no other edits

From about 17th to 25th March the problems seemed to go away but have been occurring again over the last 4 days. The original post in the older thread said that the ops folks were working on problems, but maybe that was a different problem. Anyone else affected? Nurg (talk) 04:18, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, there where three mediawiki updates a week - instead of only once normally - Trainsperiment week, upgrade of the servers to the next version of the operating system - phab:T303171 (links to an en.wikpedia task), and slimming of flaggedrevisions data - phab:T297189. As far as notifications go, they are not going to happen as often, see phab:T303605.--Snævar (talk) 18:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I made a thread about this on some noticeboard a few months ago, which didn't go anywhere, and I mostly forgot about the issue. However, when clearing up a bunch of malformatted ((cn)) templates today, I found another batch of them -- things like this, where someone attempting to add a ((citation needed)) template somehow managed to pepper the entire paragraph with randomly placed nowiki tags and substed versions of the citation needed template. I had to slog through hundreds of these when I was clearing out the couple thousand bad ((cn))s earlier -- is there some better place to get the attention of developers responsible for this? jp×g 20:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

@JPxG: At WP:VE there is a link to report problems. You can also check it is listed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Known_problems RudolfRed (talk) 00:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

This one is a known issue that the devs have punted on (not even trying to mitigate it). I think Jonesey probably has the task on speed dial at this point. Izno (talk) 04:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

One flavor at closed phab:T267747, another flavor closed at phab:T209493, another flavor closed at phab:T166425, one currently open for CX2 at phab:T218420, and I'm not seeing others (I just perused the ones that Jonesey is subscribed to). I believe the core issue is phab:T54091 (from memory of related tasks), which may come soon after Parsoid is the one parser. Izno (talk) 04:26, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

I've just fixed about 25 inappropriate nowiki tags, mostly inserted with VE. I suspect most may be user error rather than VE adding them unbidden. Perhaps it's too easy to highlight a random bit of text and enclose it in the tag; it's rarely needed. Certes (talk) 12:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Warning: Cynical rant. My understanding of this and similar VE bugs is that when editors use copy and paste in certain ways, VE can insert all sorts of undesirable garbage. The devs appear to have given up on fixing these bugs with VE, so it is currently up to gnomes to clean up after editors who fail to check the useful Preferences box marked "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta". This throwing up of virtual hands by the devs is the reason that nearly all diffs of CheckWiki's ISBN error list show the page growing over the past year. I used to go through and clean up the garbage in the hopes that the bugs would be addressed, but I gave up tilting and that particular windmill. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

19:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Special:BlockList tells us of all active blocks affecting an IP address, including range blocks which affect that IP. Is there a way to do the opposite, to take a range and find out whether any individual IP or sub-range is blocked? Better still, is there a way to find out if any have been blocked in the past? Knowing, for example, that a previous administrator placed a smaller range block to target the same individual could be extremely useful in combatting abuse and vandalism. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

phab:T146628 is open, requesting support for range searches of the logs. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:20, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: For "blocks" specifically, meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Admins and patrollers/Show recent block history for IPs and ranges has this in third place, so it is heavily requested. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe Community Tech is going to work on it this year (it's a bit too soon to say for sure). The main reason it hasn't been worked on over the past few years is that we weren't sure about the future of IPs in MediaWiki. With that now clarified, we can finally move forward with this project. Stay tuned! — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both. That's interesting. So I guess there's no way to see if an IP is in a range that has been previously blocked (short of manually searching the logs) ... yet? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: You could run a SQL query like quarry:query/63446, changing 123. to the prefix of interest. To limit it to ranges which include a specific address, you could add something like AND "7B1234AB" BETWEEN ipb_range_start AND ipb_range_end, where 7B1234AB represents the IP address of interest, which you'll unfortunately have to convert to hexadecimal. Certes (talk) 19:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Certes: Thank you, that looks like a good stopgap. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:28, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Think you can also do some api queries, but not super easy. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Copy-pasted from VPPRO. --Izno (talk) 23:30, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi there,

I've tried to report the issue via Google Playmarket, but since noone reads users' feedbacks there I've decided to use this channel to reach out to developers of the Wikipedia Android app. Please take my apologies if I've misused the channel as I am still new to the Wikipedia community and trying to report such issue for the first time.

Here is a screenshot taken on my Android tablet from the Wikipedia app: https://fastpic.org/view/116/2022/0328/_c78f776bd761029b52ed3631d17bb599.jpg.html

As can be seen from the screenshot, there are some articles that can be viewed from Android app, but can't be saved by some reason. In particular, I refer to the following article in Russian language, which covers the IT companies in Russia as a "category list": https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%3A%D0%98%D0%A2-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8?wprov=sfla1

So the question I have to ask here is if there is any way to enable saving such articles from the Android app?

Thanks in advance and best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.255.2.247 (talk) 15:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I believe the "save" feature only works on mainspace pages. In fact what you're seeing is just a rendering of the page using WebView, which is basically an in-app web browser. In other words, the mobile app isn't rendering and styling the wikitext like it does for articles (i.e. if you use dark mode, you'll notice category pages don't use the dark theme), thus the other features you're used to having for articles are not available. — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:45, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

• What were you expecting and what was the actual result of your action?: I was expecting to get a Base64 encoding of inputted text Test using ((#INVOKE:Base64|base64.encode(input)|Test)), but got error Script error: The module returned a nil value. It is supposed to return an export table.
• Where did you encounter the problem?: In sandbox preview
• Would a screenshot help you to describe the problem?: No.
• If you are "on mobile" please specify if you are using the Mobile App or the mobile website: I am using the desktop website.
• What browser and what version of your browser are you using?: Firefox 98.0.2 (64-bit) on Windows 10 version 20H2
• No connection problems.

How do I fix this??? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 19:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I fixed that but ...

((#INVOKE:Base64|encode|Test)) → ((#INVOKE:Base64|encode|Test))

((#INVOKE:Base64|decode|VGVzdA)) → ((#INVOKE:Base64|decode|VGVzdA))

Don't know if it works 'properly'; don't know where the stray == come from.

Read WP:LUA

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The == will be from Module:Base64#L-143, where two PAD characters are appended if the number of bytes (4 for "Test") mod 3 is 1. Certes (talk) 20:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of removing the line breaks between the list items from the original message; they created problems with viewing HTML lists which are particularly problematic for screen reader users like myself. Graham87 07:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

User:Bearian/Deletions just showed up in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion over 3 years after being tagged with ((db-user)). Anyone has an idea why? —Kusma (talk) 10:20, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Was it categorised directly or via a template or other transcluded page which may have changed recently? Certes (talk) 12:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The text ((db-user)) was added on 9 July 2018 at 15:32. Template:db-user has been a redirect to Template:db-u1 for more than a decade and has not been edited in forever. I can't see anything in the history of Template:db-u1 that could have caused this to break for three+ years. —Kusma (talk) 12:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Based on some digging, Something Ain't Right™ and I've logged a task ~TNT (talk • she/her) 13:28, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The root cause is the same as #Category redirect Foo playing up again. Izno (talk) 18:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Indeed per THIS I've been null-editing pages in user space and my bot null-edited user pages with page_links_updated in July 2018 within the past ~24 hours. It's a mystery why the page did not quickly populate Category:Candidates for speedy deletion soon after the page was saved. 99+% of the time the category is populated not long after the page transcluding the template is saved. But in rare cases (caused by sunspot activity?) the category was not populated, and when that happens, it can be a looooonnnnng time before it is. Probably a jobqueue update at the time was lost. My bot's null edit finally populated the category. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The above-referenced discussion is now at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 196#Category redirect Foo playing up again. Graham87 07:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, does anyone know why these logs make no sense? Just curious, thanks https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20140302000000&limit=100&type=&user=User%3ABabbaQ&page=&wpdate=2014-03-01&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B0%5D=newusers Mike989 (talk) 09:12, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

They're leftovers from the discontinued article feedback tool. Graham87 09:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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Any idea what happened with Special:Diff/1079976243? In the previous edit, I unlinked "Hebrew Infant Asylum". Then I used HotCat to update a category, and the link came back. I remember HotCat unexpectedly dropping me into an edit dialog asking me to enter an edit summary, but I cancelled out of that, went back to the article link, and re-did the category change. I didn't notice until just now that the links came back. Any clue what might have been going on? Some kind of caching problem, maybe? -- RoySmith (talk) 18:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

You effectively edit conflicted with yourself by making an edit, going back to a previous tab where that edit hadn't been made, and then making another edit. The software (by design) ignores self-edit-conflicts and just overwrites the first edit. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:26, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I've initiated a discussion on Redirect category shell's talk page about the utility of the blue arrow image that starts the template. More input there from you fine folks would be appreciated. Jason Quinn (talk) 23:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I'm looking for another help. I see an interface page pi:मीडियाविकि:Talkpageheader, which transcludes it's text on all talk pages in this project. Is there a interface page that transcludes the same text as header/footer on all pages, subject space and talk space? Thanks! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 23:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: I know of one, though not really a "header": pi:MediaWiki:Tagline. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 23:10, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Addendum: You can also configure it to make it display different messages on different namespaces using wikitext conditional parser functions, just like in templates. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 23:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Struck. That doesn't work. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 06:20, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom if you really mean "all pages" you can use the MediaWiki:Sitenotice / MediaWiki:Anonnotice to put something on the top of every page. — xaosflux ^Talk 23:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Basically, I wanted to put up pi:Template:Edit protection on there, which would automatically sense the edit protection level to show the appropriate protection-level topicon, without having to manually do all of that work. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 00:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: In which case, have you looked at our Module:Effective protection level? If you don't want the Lua route, you can use ((PROTECTIONLEVEL:type)) where type is one of: create, edit, move, upload (see my post at User talk:RMCD bot#Indication of move protection settings for two examples). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:49, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@Redrose64: I took my inspiration from there, and the template I mentioned (pi:Template:Edit protection) uses the same to produce the topicons. I also tested it on pi:मीडियाविकि:Talkpageheader by temporarily protecting a talk page, and it works! But I couldn't find a sitewide equivalent of that MW page. pi:मीडियाविकि:Sitenotice doesn't help at all. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 20:55, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom, if you want to find all of the potential "messages" on a page, use the mw:qqx trick. Remember that there are some differences per skin. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Sadly, couldn't find one. Probably such a page doesn't exist yet. If so, where can I request one? Thanks! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 17:23, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom, I vaguely remember I've asked about something similar years ago but couldn't find an enjoyable solution. I'd also like it if topicons or something similarly small could show automatically on all protected pages, showing their status, similarly to good and featured articles and their topicons added "manually". But "the closest" I've been able to get to that is by editing 1-2 system messages that are specific for full and semi-protection which appear when you're trying to edit articles in the said protection levels (not before), which I believe you may be already aware of. - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@SGrabarczuk (WMF), weren't you telling me something (months ago) about moving the FA stars to a different place? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:44, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, such icons, and more precisely, their templates, should use the indicator tag. Then they are displayed below the page heading (so below the gray line), next to the tagline. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 14:11, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Frankly, enWP is a fairly large project with many editors and bots who can maintain it on a daily basis, but most other projects aren't. Personally, I believe that the protection templates & article quality indicators should be applied by default on all pages, with the help of system messages rather than having to do that manually. The svgs for them can be stored in a MW page. ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 17:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Fully support that opinion. Maybe that feature can be harder to implement in good and featured articles but I believe with protection levels would be easier to get the specific metadata and correlate them to the needed top icons/indicators. - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Protection indicators are the subject of phab:T12347, for which it makes sense for core to have some control.

Article quality indicators are not a domain idea known about in core and may have different levels depending on the wiki, so they do not seem to be a good candidate. Izno (talk) 18:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Eh, that was my train of thought as well. Even though I kinda think it should be an extension, not in the core because different wikis might have different protection levels beside the so-called semi and full? I may be totally wrong. (Didn't study the task.) - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:39, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

This (specifically a header shown on all pages) is requested in phab:T151682. A similar task for footer, phab:T138652, was declined for performance reasons so don't keep your hopes high. – SD0001 (talk) 09:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I attempted to fork ((Adminstats/bars)) and ((Adminstats/bars/percent)) into User:Sdrqaz/statsstyles and User:Sdrqaz/statsstylesstyles respectively. However, there are issues with the bars that I have been unable to resolve (the resulting product is on my base userpage). If there are any solutions (apart from "don't use adminstats"), that would be appreciated. Sdrqaz (talk) 04:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Does adminstats even work? The bot hasn't updated Template:Adminstats/Hog Farm in 14 months ... Hog Farm _Talk 04:32, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The bot does update Template:Adminstats/Kusma regularly. Maybe it doesn't notice you are active? —Kusma (talk) 12:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I made over 14,000 edits in 2021 and a bit over 2,000 this year, so I would hope it considers me active. I suspect it may not know I'm an administrator - my RFA closed on 21 January 2021, and the bot last updated the adminstats on 25 January 2021. Hog Farm _Talk 13:29, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Cyberbot I seems to update Template:Adminstats/HJ Mitchell daily. Maybe Cyberpower678 knows why yours isn't updating? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

It's not transcluded anywhere. It only updates if it's transcluded somewhere. —CYBERPOWER (Chat) 13:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cyberpower678: - I had it transcluded at User:Hog Farm/admin stats until the middle of May 2021, so I don't think it was that. I remember finally U1'ing it after it had gone about three months without working. Hog Farm _Talk 13:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I can't debug until at least the activation requirements are met. You'll need to transcluyde it somewhere.—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 13:57, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Should be re-created now at the same title; maybe the next update run will catch it. Hog Farm _Talk 14:06, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Does not appear to be functioning; hasn't yet updated despite being transcluded. Hog Farm _Talk 18:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sdrqaz: The error is caused by the <span> element that ((Percentage)) returns. (You can go to Special:ExpandTemplates and try something like ((Percentage|50|100|2)) to see it for yourself.) That results in a wacky output when you try to use the output as a CSS parameter, as you're doing at User:Sdrqaz/statsstylesstyles. There's a little bit of background from someone who experienced a similar problem at Template talk:Percentage#Negative percentages... minus sign vs. ndash. Someone created a replacement template, ((Percentage CSS)), but it was recently deleted at TfD as unused. It sounds like that was just a wrapper for ((#expr:)) anyway, so you may have to fall back on the syntax used at Template:Adminstats/bars. DanCherek (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

@DanCherek: I finally got it to work, after six tries. Thanks for your help! Sdrqaz (talk) 22:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Is there a template that echoes back all of its arguments separated by escaped pipes?

So, ((echoallargs|foo|bar|baz)) would produce 'foo|bar|baz'

This would be useful for seeing how all the arguments for an invocation are being parsed when debugging, and for formatting in template test cases. The closest existing implementations I could find are ((1x)), which echoes just the first argument; and getInvocation() from Module:Template test case, which is used only within the module to reconstruct the invocation wikitext for the existing test case templates.

 — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 16:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Aha, there's:

• ((Separated entries|foo|bar|baz|separator=|)) → foo|bar|baz
• and the related:
• ((Concat|foo|bar|baz)) → foobarbaz
• ((Enum|foo|bar|baz)) → foo, bar and baz

 — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 16:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

However, I don't think these cover all use cases. In my current case, I'm able to insert |separator=| cleanly, but sometimes that isn't the case.  — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 16:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit: Corrected Wikicode for posterity — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 17:51, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

((pipe escape)) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:23, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Though it seems like there's no way of discovering many of these templates other than combing through categories or trying to guess at what name the creators gave them. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 16:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, turns out ((Pipe escape)) isn't suitable because the actual reason I need such a template is to convert pipes into | so they don't interfere with a surrounding table. ((Pipe escape)) only escapes once and outputs the pipes as real pipes. XY problem strikes again.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
| a((Pipe escape|b|c|d))e
|}

 — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 19:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Due to the change of user's contribution style in the mobile interfaces, I am thankful that the date header has been returned again. But there’s a bit of a problem that I don’t know if it needs attention. Date headers seem to be too long, as a result, the user's contribution page can slides right and left, and the very header of the page where the Wikipedia search icon is located is truncated. I'll ping User:Celestina007 who's probably noticed the changes too that he can probably explain what I am talking about.—Ctrlwìkí (talk) 09:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the report.

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T301798

Jdlrobson (talk) 17:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jdlrobson: I noticed that this problem is not only in the Mobile version, but also in the Advanced mobile version. Only mobile users can experience this. The date header is too long, in the former style it fits perfectly on the screen of a normal mobile. —Ctrlwìkí (talk) 00:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Sometimes while trying to update and fix errors with refs, especially when there is a "Script warning" at the top of the edit window in preview mode, I'll come across an error notice for the ((cite journal)) template, but it's not clear just what the error is. A current example can be found at Drug Enforcement Administration. Any assistance with this would be appreciated. Cheers - wolf 02:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Izno: I see you just edited the DEA page, and now the error notice is now gone, but it's not clear why. The notice had stated the error was in a "cite journal" template. There was, and still is, three of those, in a different section of the page. Your edit changed a sole "cite document" template to a more specific "cite ssrn", while removing the |publisher= parameter. Your summary was quite brief, so could you perhaps elucidate this result? Thanks - wolf 07:11, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

((cite document)) is a redirect to ((cite journal)) so Module:Citation/CS1 sees it as ((cite journal)) – the module cannot know about redirect names. ((cite journal)) requires |journal= but the community have decided that ((cite journal)) must not show that error message. The only way to see the message is to follow the instructions at Help:CS1 errors § Error and maintenance messages (linked from the preview message).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

User X comes and uploads a certain image in Commons. The said user comes and changes some articles to stop using a certain photo and instead use the photo it just uploaded in Commons. 2 days later that photo gets deleted in Commons and the associated bot removes that photo from the articles that were using it. The result: Articles that already had photos in them remain now without any image at all.

Any way this process can be mitigated? I've had it happen quite a couple of times now in my homewiki (SqWiki). - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

1. Create an phabricator ticket, asking for Commons deletion notification bot to be enabled on the wiki (example ticket phab:T256527). 2. (optional) Mention to foreign users that it is upto the community what images are used on the wiki. 3. Once a file is up for deletion revert the photo swap. Note: Some articles are more likely to have their photos deleted, like company and entertainment articles. Or you could just outright block image swaps from foreign users using abusefilter, thats fine too.--Snævar (talk) 08:18, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I've noticed this happening on enwp too. It's annoying. I wonder if the bot could restore any image which used to be shown in place of the one being deleted. Certes (talk) 10:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Snævar, oh, so the notification bot is another one. I thought it was the same as the bot which removes the broken links globally which are left after files get deleted. That's a good plan but unfortunately it wouldn't help much in our case because we're always lacking human resources. We need something automatic. What @Certes suggests below is what would be helpful. Can the bot that removes broken links also restore the old photos/versions of the page? That would help deal with 90% of the cases. There would be a very small percentage of false positives, when you would restore an image that shouldn't be restored but it's better to fix those cases manually than to do the manual restores. At least for SqWiki, that percentage would go close to 99.99% as we rarely would have problems with "old photos" given that we don't allow local upload and users never bear going through all the Commons procedures AND article changes just for vandalism causes. So that would leave only the cases I described above which would be fixed automatically by such a system, if the bot could accomplish that. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Not really a technical question, but hopefully someone can help me fix the reference section at Chula Vista, California. I think the "further reading" section should have actually been included in the reference section...but maybe not all of the sources listed there, because some have "ref=none" in their template, so they may really just be for further reading. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 10:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Magnolia677 "further reading" is normally its own section on articles, so that it is in the table of contents as its own link. From a "technical" level, you could delete the section header or change it from "== ... ==" to "=== ... ===" to make it a sub section, but that's probably not the best idea in the article. — xaosflux ^Talk 11:11, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Rename §Further reading → §Bibliography and use, move, or delete the one template with |ref=none.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:17, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux and Trappist the monk: Of the several books list, only two appear to be used as a reference (both have a "ref=" that links to a source cited in the article). Should these two be moved, and the non-active books left in "further reading"? Thank you again. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

All are used except Schoenherr 2020 (with |ref=none). For example, this short-form reference links to a long-form reference that does not use |ref=.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:38, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Would this be a place to use the style marked as "Using both footnote-style and bibliography-style references"? Magnolia677 (talk) 13:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I am not at all sure what it is that you are asking so I have no answer.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

In the preference settings, there is an option to uncheck "Allow emails from brand-new users". What is the technical definition of brand new user? Will it be enough to prevent a sock master from abusing my email feature? (Cc @Girth Summit) Venkat TL (talk) 12:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

See WP:ENABLEEMAIL. It means non-autoconfirmed users. – SD0001 (talk) 13:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks SD0001. Venkat TL it's a bit like the semi protection I just applied to your talk page - it means they will have to invest a bit more time and effort than just creating a new account to continue doing this. Girth Summit _(blether) 13:10, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@SD0001, @Girth Summit Thank you. I guess this should work for me. No harm in trying it out. The word brand new user in the preference should be wikilinked to "WP:AUTOCONFIRM" for clarification. Venkat TL (talk) 13:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

 Administrator note link added. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Citoid seems to have an issue with formatting a citation from this URL. Using the DOI itself doesn't solve the issue. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

This one has the same problem. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, now it works. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:33, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere includes both direct links and links to redirects (grouped by redirect). And there is a filter to limit the disply to only certain namespaces and a separate filter to exclude redirects. However, that namespace filter appears to filter the redirects themselves rather than the links to the redirects. It seems like the more reasonable intent would be to filter the links to the redirects ("what winds up linking here from a reader's perspective"). Or at least that's the feature I want.

Given:

• "A" is a redirect to "B" (both namespace=main)
• "Wikipedia:C" has a link to "A"

then

• "Special:WhatLinksHere/B" lists Wikipedia:C in the "A"-redirect group.

but

• "Special:WhatLinksHere/B namespace=Wikipedia" does not list "Wikipedia:C".

My current use-case is to find old AFD and SPI including prior to page-moves of the target article. DMacks (talk) 19:53, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@DMacks hi DMacks, this doesn't seem like something we can fix here on the English Wikipedia, but you can put in a feature request for that special page. If this is only needed occasionally, a query may be able to find the result. — xaosflux ^Talk 21:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Please see Module talk:ISO 3166#Guinea-Bissau error and Template:ISO 3166 code-3/testcases. It appears that a hyphen in a country name is not being processed properly by this module. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

The issue is that the names with hyphens are being split on the hyphen and treated as separate country name + subdivision name. This handles cases like United Kingdom-England, but causes ones like Guinea-Bissau (which is one country name) to fail because there's no Bissau subdivision of the country Guinea.

The invalid cases that produce output are because the code ignores all non-alphanumeric characters for both country and subdivision name, so GuineaBissau, which doesn't get split, matches as GUINEABISSAU.

I've changed the sandbox version to fall back on not splitting with the hyphen. That fixes this, but not sure if it breaks something else. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 16:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Looks like Module talk:ISO 3166/testcases was broken by previous changes and never updated. I got it to work but can't figure out why the Code column isn't showing the codetype parameter (note: Wiki'code' vs ISO 3166 'code').

• ((#invoke:ISO 3166|name|Guinea-Bissau)) is still broken.

 — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 17:44, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

What do Module talk:ISO 3166/testcases/test and Module talk:ISO 3166/testcases/core do? — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 18:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Fixed by pushing down the new implementation so p.luaname() uses it. Testcase page timing out again. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 20:06, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

And I feel like UNITEDSTATESUNIQREF0000001FQINU is not the desired output for that test case. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 17:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Because this:

{'United States<ref name=A>((cite web|url=http://www.example.com))</ref>'},

The module is buggering up the reference's stripmarker so the stripmarker doesn't get replaced with the reference after the module is done with its rendering.

Testcases running out of time suggests that there are bigger issues in that module that need fixing.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Could the use of string.find etc. rather than ustring in functions p.luacode and p.luaname be causing problems by chopping at byte offsets rather than character counts? I don't see any multi-byte characters in these examples, but they may be lurking. Certes (talk) 18:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Doubtful that the ISO 3166 codes are anything but ascii; country names can and do use multibyte characters (AX → Åland Islands for example). At lines 103 and 191 the code is looking for a hyphen-minus character (ascii) so string.find is appropriate; at line 195 the code is apparently looking for a two-uppercase-character string which is presumably supposed to be the ISO 3166 country code which should be ascii characters so string.find is appropriate; at line 245, the code is looking for a specific string of ascii characters so mw.ustring.find is not necessary there.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Ya, I pretty much doubled runtime by always checking both hyphenations. I optimized at the cost of not being able to properly handle the (AFAIK currently impossible) case of both paths giving a result. If that happens, there's now no way to get the country instead of the country-subdivision. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 18:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Profiling shows 86% of the runtime is in the 4 gsub() calls in strip(). — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 18:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Some of it could be made non-regex. But isn't there some Unicode normalization form for almost-ASCII that does this already? — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 18:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

The approach is to decompose into combining characters and remove them. But Lua can't do this natively. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 18:47, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Before line 73, perhaps test text

	local capture = string.match (text, '[%w%p ]*');								-- test for values that are simple ASCII text and bypass if true
	if capture ~= text then															-- if same there are no Unicode characters
		text = mw.ustring.gsub(text,"[À-Ý]",accents)								-- Deaccent
	end

At line 76, it looks to me like the patterns in patterns don't really need mw.ustring.gsub; I could be wrong about that

At line 80, all of the strings in remove are ascii, mw.ustring.gsub is not appropriate

But, I gotta wonder, is all of this necessary? If the template calls the module functions with parameter values that don't make sense, why attempt to fix every possible error; emit an error message and abandon. Attempting to code around en.wiki human editors' endlessly creative ways to break stuff is an exercise in frustration. Set some rules about what is and what is not acceptable as input and code to those rules.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:10, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Ugh, this sort of text handling is already hard enough when using proper libraries. Skipping deaccenting when all-ASCII seems to help a little, but I don't get why the module is this slow in the first place: we're spending 10 seconds of CPU time on just these short strings?

• It's hard to gauge what's slow or not because each removed pattern is also a broken testcase, which causes all the linear searches to switch to worst-case runtime. Curiously, gsub is still on top in profiling data even when all calls are removed from the code; no idea what's calling it internally.
• Lua for some reason has no non-pattern-matching replace function. I guess that means gsub is considered acceptably performant when there isn't any pattern syntax.
• I think we can get away with using single-byte functions like we already are; individual UTF-8 multi-byte code units can never be confused with ASCII bytes because of the high bit.
• Most of the line 76 patterns could be replaced with finds and substrings, very tediously though.
• Refactoring luacode() to call p.strip() less got the testcase page down from 9 s to 7 s.

I noticed that p.strip() gets called a bunch on the stored name data. Is there an official way to cache this kind of output? I tried a hacky sort of caching by using Module:Sandbox/Wqnvlz to 'bake' the results of p.strip() to the sandbox pages of the data (e.g. Module:ISO 3166/data/National/sandbox, Module:ISO 3166/data/CA/sandbox; I only baked the countries currently used by the testcases). This gets the testcases down to 5.5 s, but also allows another optimization, which is to index into the baked tables directly instead of looping through individual entries.

 — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 01:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Mm, invalid input, which causes the module to loop through every country, dominates the runtime. Taking out the four broken testcases nearly halves it. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 01:40, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I did a small amount of cleaning at Module:ISO 3166/sandbox (where mw.ustring was not needed) and introduced a gigantic kludge that works well and is much faster. That's all I have time for at the moment but if p.strip is still a bottleneck there is more I could do. Re caching, Memoization is quite simple and I can add that if you are saying that strip is called with the same input during the same invoke. Johnuniq (talk) 02:40, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, I guarantee that the kludge I used is much faster than mw.ustring and my initial test showed a couple of seconds improvement. However, now Module talk:ISO 3166/testcases is showing 5.7 seconds of Lua time which is disappointing. I can look more later but I don't know what the module is doing so it is very unclear to me where the bottlenecks are, although the profile is showing most of the time in gsub. Johnuniq (talk) 02:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I previewed the testcases with an edit to Module:ISO 3166/testcases that replaced the invokes of the main module with invokes of the sandbox module. The result was 1.7 seconds of Lua time despite the sandbox module being called twice as often. Johnuniq (talk) 03:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

That's clever—and no more kludgy than the hardcoded table; I've been wondering, where did that table come from?

I was asking if there's a way to cache data between different  invocations of a module. When Module:ISO 3166 searches for a name stored in its data subpages, each stored name is visited only once per invocation (ideally), but must be processed using strip() (which is more like normalize()) before being compared with. Every invocation does this, so performance could be gained by storing the strip() results in lookup tables (one per data subpage). But in order to be clean, these tables must update automatically when the originals change.

If I'm not missing anything, the best way to do this is with a module that preprocesses data pages by applying strip() to all the strings. What stumps me is how the resulting output could be simultaneously cached and accessible from the main module. It seems like either using mw.loadData() to load a non-module page or transcluding a template onto a module page is required, but neither is possible. I guess a bot could be used to update a static module page, but that feels inelegant.

Note/beware that the proof of concept I implemented is still live in the sandbox.

The last sentence I wrote above (which is kind of incomprehensible in retrospect) refers to the fact that the isonames and altnames subtables are currently being linear searched when looking up names (because they map in the wrong direction); this can be eliminated by also making inverted versions of them when preprocessing. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 06:14, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki (and therefore Scribunto) is designed so that caching variables between invocations is not possible. The idea is that a preview of editing a section should be completely independent of what is on the rest of the page. It is possible for mw.loadData to load a fixed table where that table is generated at run time—an example is at Module:NUMBEROF/data. Lua can quickly do an astounding amount of work, for example to invert a table, but I don't know if that would help here. I don't want to take the time to investigate what Module:ISO_3166 does and how it is used, but if you would like to give a brief overview of that I could offer an opinion about what caching might be possible. Is there an example of a page where there is currently a problem? Would it have that problem if the sandbox module were used? Seeing an actual problem would help. We should continue this discussion in a new section at Module talk:ISO 3166 which I will watch for a month. Ping me if it appears I've not responded. Johnuniq (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Finishing up the original request at Module talk:ISO 3166#Guinea-Bissau error. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 01:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello! If all goes according to plan, come Thursday, April 14, there will be a "Delete associated talk page" checkbox available when deleting pages, and the same for undeletion. You can read the project page for more information. This was the #11 wish in the Community Wishlist Survey 2021.

To keep the UI simple, there will not be a second text field to enter a separate deletion summary for the talk page. Instead, it will use the same summary used for the subject page. To me, this makes sense; we are essentially trying to head in a direction where subject pages and talk pages are treated as a single unit, similar to how it works when watching pages. Thus, it makes sense for them to share the same deletion rationale (when you intend to delete both subject/talk, that is). However, I know some folks like to do analysis on CSD deletion types, i.e. by querying the database, and with the new "delete associated talk page" option, we no longer will have the G8 prefix in the the deletion summary. Also, the talk pages will have the CSD code for the subject page, since it shares the same deletion rationalte. Does anyone foresee this as a problem? Would it be helpful to add an interface message that the community can customize that gets prefixed to all talk page deletions via the new checkbox? This way we could retain the WP:G8 prefix, though we won't be able to remove the criterion used for the subject page from the deletion summary.

Next, allow me to explain how the corresponding option at Special:Undelete works. As many of you know, you can selectively un-delete specific revisions. Until the introduction of revision deletion (a.k.a. RevDel), this is how admins used to remove specific revisions from a history (by deleting the whole history and selectively restoring). Anyway, the checkbox at Special:Undelete will read "Undelete all revisions of the associated talk page" and do just that. There is no intuitive way to tell it which revisions you want to restore on a different page, so we only give you the option to restore all revisions. If the talk page already exists but has some archived revisions, these are also restored. Note this does not effect revdel status of any of those deleted revisions (yes, you can RevDel deleted revisions!). So at least today, most admins will use revdel or suppression to hide problematic revisions, and those will stay hidden.

That's all for now. I have left at note at WP:AN as well because I suspect we'll want to update some admin documentation, etc. If there are any concerns, please let us know! You can comment here or on the project talk page. Warm regards and thank you for your input, MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 19:41, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. G8 is just a generic catch-all for orphaned talk pages. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me as well. Jeepday (talk) 10:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Does anybody else see a large blank area at 2022 Grand National between the ((Grand National)) navbox and the category box? I see it logged in and out, in MonoBook and Vector. That space should contain two stub templates; these are present in the HTML source, but will only display if you remove the navbox. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:49, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I see it too. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Me too (legacy Vector, Firefox, Ubuntu). By editing ((Grand National)) and previewing the article with with various bits of template hacked out, I can see both stub templates, neither, or just the UK one. Timings and other counts are way below the limit. Certes (talk) 23:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Fixed by removing style = float:left; from the navbox.[17] PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:53, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

When clicking the shortcut: WP:RM#TR, you end up at Wikipedia:Requested moves § Requesting technical moves (the intended location). However, when you are there, clicking the same link from the shortcut box takes you to Wikipedia:RM instead. What is preventing the shortcut from returning to the anchored section as intended? Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 14:15, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@John Cline: The shortcut box adds ?redirect=no to the title, so it doesn't redirect, and tried to go to a TR section of WP:RM, instead of Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves. ― Qwerfjkltalk 14:38, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

The links in shortcut boxes arre intended to go to the redirect page, and not back to themselves. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Company logo File:ScotRail logo.svg for article ScotRail infobox is showing as transparent. Not sure what to do about that... --10mmsocket (talk) 10:54, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

The background is transparent, the fill color is white. That's why you can't see it on a white background! - Erik Baas (talk) 14:50, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Of course. Thanks. I'll delete and download a different version. 10mmsocket (talk) 14:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@10mmsocket I modified the uploaded SVG file to have the same background color as it does on the ScotRail website. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

That has sorted it, thank you. Case closed! 10mmsocket (talk) 16:49, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I was wondering, are there ways to filter article history, for example, to show only bot contributions/hide them, show only minor contributions/hide them, show only the contributions of a specific user and other similar concepts? - Klein Muçi (talk) 08:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

You can use external tools such as userseach or xtools topedits to filter edits by a specific user on a page. These tools are linked from the history pages, but they do not allow filtering all bot edits or minor edits at the same time. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:37, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ammarpad, thank you! I wonder if any work has ever been done or considered in bringing such functions in-wiki. In pages with a long history it would be very appreciated I think. - Klein Muçi (talk) 07:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

There's an old phab task for this, see phab:T18619. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ammarpad, ah, yes. That's exactly what I was looking for. Well, good to know that at least it is a known problem. - Klein Muçi (talk) 08:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I wish to install User:Enterprisey/script-installer on my global.js but disable it on English Wikipedia as it's already enabled via Prefs. What code helps me to do that? Thanks! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 09:40, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I (now*) use something like:

if (mw.config.get('wgServerName') !== 'en.wikipedia.org') {
	// Do things. 
}

The documentation for MediaWiki settings is at mw:Manual:Configuration settings.

I thought I remembered some official page (Special: ?) listing all settings for each site, but can't find it now. You can easily check the actual values by alert()ing them, though:

alert(mw.config.get('wgServerName'))

* Edit: I've actually been doing it wrong this whole time! Just realized that $wgSiteName (what I wrote at first) is the same for all languages of a Wikimedia project (which is not what you or I wanted). Looking at the list of settings now, it looks like $wgServerName is more appropriate, since it's just the server's base URL without protocol, such as en.wikipedia.org or mediawiki.org. — wqnvlz (talk · contribs) 10:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Wqnvlz: Simply type mw.config.values into your browser console. Alternatively, see mw:Manual:Interface/JavaScript. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 10:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, there's the client-side—see, I stopped looking when I found the PHP docs! —wqnvlz (talk · contribs);  11:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: Lazy version:

if (mw.config.get('wgDBname') !== 'enwiki') {
    mw.loader.load('//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-script-installer.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');
}

The code Wqnvlz wrote above also works. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 10:50, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: Where exactly do we write these codes in? Global.js or enwp's common.js? Thanks! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 11:12, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: Since you asked how to install User:Enterprisey/script-installer on [your] global.js but disable it on English Wikipedia, its place obviously is your global.js. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 11:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot to both you! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 11:16, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

When I go to this URL I see an edit notice saying (paraphrased) "This page has been protected so that only administrators can edit it because it is transcluded in the following page ... Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content". I think that Template:Protected page text/cascade is confusing a page being cascade protected with a page being transcluded in a cascade protected page, is there a way to make the edit notice say "This page has been protected so that only administrators can edit it"? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:54, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Yes, but generally this is not a technical problem. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 10:46, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

True, but this is the place to get help with technical issues and that imo includes seeing if someone is interested in writing a solution. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus that page does already say that, that page has the MediaWiki:protectedpagewarning notice on it already; it just also has the MediaWiki:cascadeprotectedwarning. Regarding the later, right now that message seems to be "correct" as far as the template goes, as if you look at the page transclusions log at the bottom it does report that it is transcluded to itself:

Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page (help):
Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content (edit) (protected)

This part may be in error and could be looked in to next. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that text and the cascadeprotectedwarning is what this query here is about. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with Template:Protected page text/cascade, which is only displayed to non-admins. If I as a non-admin follow that link I get the standard "This page is currently protected so that only administrators can edit it." message with no mention of cascading protection. In fact, I fixed the exact bug you are currently experiencing for non-admins as part of a rewrite of the protection message infrastructure in 2019. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:00, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Jo-Jo Eumerus: ok, so it looks like it is working correctly in so far as that message goes - it looks like something in Module:lockbox is actually transcluding the same page to itself (can be duplicated with as little as this snippet:

((#invoke:lockbox|lock
| z
))

So some troubleshooting in that module could possibly resolve the symptom you are seeing. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

line 47 and see mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#Title_objects → getContent(): "The page will be recorded as a transclusion."

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

A current WP:RfD discussion involves a redirect that is basically identical to the target article title, except that it contains an "®". I'm curious as to whether this is prevalent in redirects, but the search function does not seem to return such titles (even the ones I know exist). Is there a way to generate a list of titles containing these symbols? BD2412 T 18:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@BD2412: See Special:Search/intitle:/©|®|™/. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 19:02, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. BD2412 T 19:10, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

That is an incorrect search. The intent is actually this search. 1 false positive, 14 redirects, and a timeout, but you can probably dodge the timeout with the prefix keyword. Izno (talk) 23:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I'm not sure this is the right place, but an editor has brought to my attention a mobile bug regarding mobile. See my talkpage section link(permalink) for a description of the issue, also described at his talkpage. I resigned to forget about this particular user(who seems rather nice), and just fix his legitimate accidents, which are rare. Then a realized I have now come across three such issues from another user( here for those who want to see the diffs). Again I'm not fully familiar with all the discussion boards, so feel free to move thisto an appropriate venue. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 11:13, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I will try to capture and upload a video of this bug in action later today. Thrakkx (talk) 11:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Just say what the problem is rather than make people follow links whenever soliciting help. From your talk page:

Hi, I want to point out that I never intend to add short descriptions to redirects. What happens is a bug on mobile. When clicking on a redirect, the mobile device displays the content of the destination page, but the source code of the redirect. This means that when I edit the short description using the mobile app, it will add the description to the redirect. I cannot know when this happens without checking my edit history, or when you leave me what seems to be an automated message. Thrakkx (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Based on Thrakkx's contributions, it looks like they're referring to the iOS app, not Android. Nardog (talk) 11:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the tq, I should have included that youre right. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 12:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

This seems to be a known bug: phab:T287922. Certes (talk) 12:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible to use the tagging functionality of the discussion tools in page edit summaries somehow? - Klein Muçi (talk) 08:51, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Whatamidoing (WMF) who maybe can provide some more insight on this. - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi If you want to ping users in edit summaries, this is already possible. Just put something like [[User:Klein Muçi|Klein Muçi]] in the edit summary (I did it here) Rlink2 (talk) 13:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Rlink2, yes, I know that, thank you! I just wanted to be able to put @ and then get a list of users of which to choose from as we add more letters from their name so I wouldn't need to write all that down manually. Maybe the said list could also start by suggesting users the edits of which have been part of the page history, like we currently get suggested names of users who have been part of a discussion with discussion tools. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi when using these there is a "mention this user" button, which will populate the names in to the "content", would you want this button to just also be in the summary input box? For a temporary workaround, you can @ the users in to the content input box, then just cut/paste them to the summary box. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, that would be a good workaround but I wasn't referring to talk pages in my cases. I was referring to edits or reverts in the main or in other namespaces. We usually want to communicate something to a user in the edit summary when reverting its edits or when working together with some other users to build help pages we may like to communicate something to them in the said summaries. Is the scenario more clear now? - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:22, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi oh OK, so not really about "Discussion tools" - you just want an auto-complete feature for usernames for the normal edit summary box? — xaosflux ^Talk 14:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, yes, preferably one that behaves the same as the one in Discussion tools in regard to suggestions. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah ok, suggest you put in a feature request for this! — xaosflux ^Talk 15:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Xaosflux, I would but I'm not sure if it should be connected with Discussion tools or be a feature on its own. (Or maybe I should just ask for a user script.) That was what I was mostly trying to find out with this discussion. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

When creating such a feature request, think of it primarily from a "user story" - what is it you want to be able to do - don't focus so much on "how" it will happen. Then, you can add comments about some possible ways it could happen or things like DT that are like it - but it won't necessarily be part of DT. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Created task T305393 - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)