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Co'Motion Dance Theater

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Little more than WP:ROUTINE, Iowa focused coverage, both in listed sources, and in search results. Fails WP:ORGCRIT given insufficient WP:AUD. Allan Nonymous (talk) 00:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no sign of sufficient notability and, given the dead state of the webpage link, unlikely to generate further notability. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 00:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete. No notable people connected with the company. No notable premieres or collaborations with notable composers. Very WP:MILL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete doesn`t meet GNG, need more reliable sources--Improvised but so real unicorn (talk) 10:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aircraft Sales & Services (Pvt.) Limited

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I don't see this Pakistani charter airline meets the WP:NCORP The article relies on non-independent and unreliable sources and press releases. Fails WP:GNG as well. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 19:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sausalito Yacht Club

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Run of the mill local yacht club. Does not meet NCORP. Graywalls (talk) 23:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Most of the article is also uncited and appears to be OR. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 23:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zashko Films

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Fails WP:NCORP. Most of the press I find is a mention of the company in articles about films it was involved in, but nothing that meets WP:ORGCRIT. Possibly redirect to one of the films as an WP:ATD. CNMall41 (talk) 21:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wizz Air Serbia

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Merge to Wizz Air. This subsidiary does not meet the WP:GNG. Toadspike (talk) 12:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge as per nomination. Cortador (talk) 14:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge. Definately not enough to have a separate article. Merge to Wizz Air. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 17:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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PropertyLimBrothers

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While I don't quite think the text meets the criteria of a G11 like Joseywales1961, I do believe it is in no way suitable for retention in mainspace. Perhaps I should have nominated it immediately instead of draftifying. In any case, that's now moot due to the cut & paste move back. I cannot find any sources meeting WP:ORGDEPTH or WP:ORGIND. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: I would say that this new article is borderline G11 (The one I CSD'd was by another different editor, something strange with different people suddenly wanting this particular firms article published) Josey Wales ^Parley 18:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Does not meet WP:ORGIND, looks like an advertisement. Dcotos (talk) 08:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EMR Regional

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I can't see that there's any coverage of this line of services that is distinct from East Midlands Railway, nor do I think this is a good candidate for a WP:CFORK. The only additional content that exists here is a WP:DIRECTORY of every route this provider operates on. BrigadierG (talk) 10:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. The coverage of EMR Regional relates to its plans to refurbish its rolling stock, which seems to be smaller and older than that used by EMR Intercity. I found several references for refurbishment and added them to the article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 11:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Actually, the main scope of the page is to describe the routes its operating on. Because An article that is only about refurbishments of something is almost never allowed and can be placed on the relevant part of the article instead. Plus it is not titled refurbishment of the EMR fleet. It seems as though EMR are either brand new trains (class 810, due to enter within 12 months), sourcing newer trains (class 170, built 1998-2005) or in the process of refurbishment after it withdrew its HSTs, 153s, 156s and even the 180s. JuniperChill (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  not only that, but please also note WP:REFBOMB. No more than three sources per sentence, plus I am not sure about the reliability of these sources. JuniperChill (talk) 15:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  > Actually, the main scope of the page is to describe the routes its operating on.

  Have you been familiar with the discourse surrounding similar subjects such as lists of airline destinations? I'm really loathe to have more of these kinds of big piles of information on Wikipedia without further context? There's moderate consensus (albeit several years old) that these things are generally not good bases for articles. BrigadierG (talk) 19:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  These are just reprints of press releases - replacing some of your trains is just a normal run-of-the-mill activity when you operate a train line. I'm not contesting that the operator itself is notable, just the idea that its two train services need separate articles of their own. See WP:ROTM BrigadierG (talk) 16:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miami International Holdings

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Fails WP:NCORP. 6 of the 11 references are non-rs and routine business news scope_creep^Talk 11:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your review. I've gone ahead to add several WP:RS/WP:INDEPENDENT references from Bloomberg, Reuters, Harvard Journal of Law & Technology.

I've also added segments that reference news coverage on some prolonged controversy and lawsuits involving other companies to meet substantial coverage requirements as per WP:ORGDEPTH, and how the firm has first-ever approval to operate a derivatives exchange for digital assets in the US.

Keep. With these changes, a majority of the 22 references should be WP:RS with several intended to meet WP:N/WP:SIGCOV requirements that are not routine business events or have significance at regulatory level that has implications to national WP:AUD, e.g. IPO, lawsuits from or against other major international corporations, provision of a major financial index.

- Cara Wellington (talk) 14:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Numerous independent and reliable sources providing significant coverage, including Bloomberg 1, Bloomberg 2, Bloomberg 3, WSJ, and S&PGMI. With these, it passes WP:ORGCRIT or GNG. (Editors should be sure the numerous press releases cited on the page are not supporting contentious material, though.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep - There is also this reference. I would also consider changing the page name to Miami International Securities Exchange since its the exchange that seems to get most of the coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for the input. It's not a bad idea but I'd like to explain my reasoning. I had considered writing the initial article on Miami International Securities Exchange ("MIAX Options Exchange"), the original options exchange under MIH, however I ruled against it because:

  • MIAX Pearl Equities, Minneapolis Grain Exchange, Bermuda Stock Exchange, LedgerX, and the three other MIAX Exchange Group exchanges likely meet GNG and often require redirects to the parent company, which the MIAX Options Exchange is not.
  • There are 3, soon 4, MIAX options exchanges of nearly equal notability and coverage these days, and people usually think of them as a single unit, just as they think of BZX/BYX/EDGA/EDGX as one under Cboe Global Markets.
  • Exchanges often become antiquated and their names change frequently and this causes many editorial mistakes on WP. See for instance NYSE Arca and NYSE Euronext. It's more likely that the holding company MIH will outlive all of its subsidiary exchanges.

  I would instead suggest either (a) a stub for MIAX Exchange Group to encompass everything else or (b) changing the page name for MIAX Pearl Equities to MIAX Exchange Group instead. Cara Wellington (talk) 04:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was not aware of the other pages. Pinging @Scope creep: for an opinion as they did the BEFORE. Wondering if it should be merged into one of the exchanges already listed in Wikipedia. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I share @Dclemens1971's position in Afd (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MIAX Pearl Equities). There is enough coverage to separate parent company from several of its MIAX Exchange group of subsidiaries, just like there is enough coverage for Minneapolis Grain Exchange. Merging the two would be difficult due to coverage and content differences. Cara Wellington (talk) 07:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tawal

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I don't see this meets the criteria laid out in WP:NCORP The article relies on unreliable sources and press releases, and therefore fails WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 12:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MIAX Pearl Equities

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Fails WP:NCORP. References are company news and routine annoucements. scope_creep^Talk 11:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I don't agree with this nomination.

1. Statement is untrue. I have included references from Financial Times meeting general notability criteria as outlined in WP:ORGCRIT and WP:SIGCOV.

2. This is also balanced with other sources such as The Royal Gazette, and another company's press release, meeting WP:SECONDARY and WP:IS criteria.

3. Remaining primary sources, press releases and company pages, beyond that are stylistic choices of the author's own, but sufficiency is met even if those references were removed.

4. All other US stock exchanges, including smaller ones such as Long-Term Stock Exchange, and Investors Exchange already have their own pages.

5. Crucially, Consolidated Tape Association and Unlisted Trading Privileges have long pointed to each of these exchanges' pages for WP:POFR, and only MIAX Pearl Equities remains redirected to its holding company Miami International Holdings.

- Cara Wellington (talk) 11:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For avoidance of doubt, I have added WP:RS and non-business news from Wall Street Journal and S&P Global.

- Cara Wellington (talk) 12:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Got a bit distracted looking at Long-Term Stock Exchange, oops. But I took a quick squiz at the ProQuest results, unfortunately could not find anything there either. I'm sorry to say that the WP:ORGDEPTH requirements are a bit stricter than what's available, and it's quite rare for routine coverage of launches to go beyond WP:ORGTRIV. Unfortunately, delete. (Also, full disclosure, I only got about 6 pages in before it started showing the regulatory filings again, so I did not review the full 2748 results ProQuest gave me, only slightly over a fifth of that, but I do not anticipate it making a material difference) Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for the review.

  1. Could you reconsider your opinion if you search for "Miami Exchange" or "MIAX" instead? "MIAX Pearl Equities" is the formal entity name of the stock exchange as per regulatory filings, and I have followed this convention. However, the exchange is more commonly referred to as "MIAX", which unfortunately conflates with MIH's naming for options exchanges and causes this confusion.

  2. I made the above search on ProQuest and don't see a problem meeting WP:SIGCOV given the extensive coverage in Financial Times, Boston Globe, Wall Street Journal, Barron's, Bloomberg that not only relate to the company itself, but also rivals Nasdaq and CBOE.

  3. Further, a national stock exchange's history appears to meet WP:ORGDEPTH guidelines, which I cite:

  • "An encyclopedia entry giving an overview of the history of an organization".
  • "Significant coverage in media with an international, national, or at least regional audience".

  4. I should point out that deletion would be an inconsistent application of guidelines, considering similar or less coverage of other national exchanges found on ProQuest, some of which have much less volume or are even defunct altogether:

  • Philadelphia Stock Exchange
  • Bermuda Stock Exchange
  • Boston Stock Exchange
  • Washington Stock Exchange
  • Long-Term Stock Exchange
  • Members Exchange
  • International Securities Exchange

  - Cara Wellington (talk) 13:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  MIAX was the search term I used for ProQuest. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  OK. That explains: for some reason, your search only yields 2,748 results but I see 12,960 results for MIAX. It appears that this inconsistency is because ProQuest is not a WP:REPUTABLE or reliable source. I wrote a Python script to scan all of such 12,960 results for MIAX and also the 96 "Newspapers" entries returned and it appears not to index links from many reliable sources, such as these ones:

  • CNBC
  • CNBC
  • Reuters
  • Bloomberg
  • Nasdaq News
  • S&P Global
  • S&P Global

  Let me know if you can corroborate these findings, e.g. with screenshots of the 6 pages you've seen or the payload returned from the proquest.com/resultsol/ endpoint that I can run a script on, or if there's anything else I can do to help. In any case, I'll go ahead to add some of these references to the article to resolve your WP:ORGTRIV concerns. Thanks again.

  - Cara Wellington (talk) 14:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  ProQuest is a collection of databases, it doesn't really index things the same way a web search engine would. Most of my search results would have been from ProQuest Central, because historical newspapers aren't very likely to be of interest (I also have access to One Academic, but, again). After excluding The Federal Register and a few other publications, you should find the number quite comparable. Also, I'm fairly sure scraping would violate something in my TOU somewhere, and I would rather not get in trouble with my institutions, or my institution in trouble with ProQuest.

  Also not sure how you expect the sources in your most recent comment to meet WP:ORGDEPTH where the others didn't. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Unfortunately, I'm unable to replicate your methodology and will invite the next editor who visits this discussion to do so, because "quite comparable" is a vague quantifier. 12,960 or 2,748 - those two numbers are too drastically different and cannot be dismissed as "quite comparable". I've also given you concrete, specific links which are not tracked in this tool or apparently outdated collection of databases.
  • I've also identified the two specific clauses of WP:ORGDEPTH guidelines that I specifically sought to address, in point 3 above. This seems to be a case of WP:THIS or WP:THAT or WP:THEOTHER without an attempted interpretation of what WP:ORGDEPTH means.
  • Trivially, one has likely heard of Reuters, Bloomberg, and CNBC, however this is the first time I've heard of ProQuest. The latter appears to be unreliable and not a meaningful measure of WP:NCORP or WP:ORGDEPTH. So if you intend on admitting WP:NOTRS for relevance, I hope you agree that the burden of proof is on you, not myself, to show how you expect your sources to matter to this discussion.

  - Cara Wellington (talk) 17:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Next you'll tell me you've never heard of Gale or EBSCO either. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sure. My contributions are mostly in finance, CS, math, which also aligns with my professional background. We use different research databases in our area and so I find this is a strange barometer of ORGDEPTH, in the same way you wouldn't use a search on Nature or NEJM to indicate GNG on a political person of interest.

  I'm sure they're meaningful in your area of subject matter expertise and that's great. I'm not questioning your expertise, just pointing out how your methodology appears flawed and unscientific, so we can make the editorial process a little bit better for the next person who comes along here with an article in finance.

  There's no WP acronym to express my respect for people who're trying to make the world a better place. So as critical as I sound, it doesn't mean my respect for you is diminished. You have a hard enough job patrolling the AfD queue and I don't mean to make life more difficult for you.

  - Cara Wellington (talk) 11:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. In reviewing the available sources (cited and not cited), I come up with three news articles that represent significant coverage of this exchange (versus its parent company): two in the Financial Times (here and here) and S&P Global Market Intelligence. MIAX Pearl Equities is also covered in depth in this Global Finance Journal article. With "multiple" not a set number, I believe these sources clear the WP:ORGCRIT threshold. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are pretty solid secondary sources. I wish to see you more at Afd. Nomination Withdrawn. scope_creep^Talk 08:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the prompt withdrawal of your nomination. Would you kindly review your nomination in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miami International Holdings again if you have the time as well? The same editor has also provided similar analysis of the coverage on the parent company, and I've also tried my best to improve the article to meet guidelines.

- Cara Wellington (talk) 10:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Meeting WP:ORGCRIT and WP:SIGCOV. 2409:40D0:1003:8EC1:B97B:BE02:1EED:D027 (talk) 04:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This editor is a WP:SPA. scope_creep^Talk 08:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TalkLocal

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Fails the notability guideline for companies. Previously deleted at AfD but I could not verify whether G4 applied. There is some not-totally-worthless Washington Post coverage [1] [2], but (1) the company is Maryland-based and so WaPo coverage is not as significant as it otherwise would be and (2) we need multiple independent sources. The rest are either unreliable or non-independent. My source checks covered both "TalkLocal" and its former name "Seva Call". – Teratix ₵ 05:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yuga Labs

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This stub's information on Yuga Labs' ownership of Bored Ape and CryptoPunks NFTs, doxxing of its founders, and new CEO hiring are all covered in more detail at the existing Bored Ape article. I propose redirecting this article to Bored Ape (which was how Pppery originally created the article in June 2022), as the latter already has more information on the company. BluePenguin18 🐧 ( 💬 ) 03:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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12Go

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Does not meet the WP:NCORP/WP:GNG. Sources are based on what they say or adverts. There was this one by The South African but the author is "a junior campaign management who inspires and empowers you to create marketing that your customers will love; igniting real results for your business" so not reliable/independent so I removed it along with blogs and other non-RS (written by contributors and/or sponsored). I was unable to find any reliable sources about the company. S0091 (talk) 15:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chargrill Charlie's

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Fails WP:NCOMPANY, lacks WP:CORPDEPTH. Noting the company’s website is a primary source and not independent. Previous PROD removed by anon IP, possible WP:SOCKPUPPET, without addressing the issue of notability. The article’s creator is currently blocked for disrupting other articles. Anon IP is potentially working around current block. Dan arndt (talk) 13:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Most of the issues raised in the nom are not themselves justification for deleting the article. The current sourcing is poor but I have been able to find quite a bit of decent coverage such as this from the Financial Review, Mosman Living, Hospitality magazine, and the Sydney Morning Herald. This was from a fairly quick search. AusLondonder (talk) 18:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep: The article needs improving but a Google search found a number of sources that can contribute towards establishing notability under WP:NCORP. GMH Melbourne (talk) 15:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WeFinance

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Fails the notability guideline for companies. Just wanted a second or third pair of eyes on these sources [3] [4] [5] - I don't think any are suitably reliable or independent, but their coverage would be significant. – Teratix ₵ 11:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• More or less agree that the three linked sources aren't suitable. Have not yet done my own BEFORE though, so I'll leave the bolded !vote for later. Alpha3031 (t • c) 16:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I found this which would indicate it should have gotten some press, but cannot find anything that meets WP:ORGCRIT so obviously fails NCORP. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nelson Airways

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While airlines are generally notable, I'm not sure that the assumption holds for virtual airlines -- particularly with such thin sourcing. Avgeekamfot (talk) 09:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of PNWR locomotives

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Fails WP:NLIST - I cannot find any independent reliable sources talking about this set of rolling stock as a group. The current sources are all self-published and of questionable reliability. A simplified, well-sourced table at Portland and Western Railroad that simply lists the quantity of each locomotive class would be more appropriate. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Koehler Instrument Company, Inc.

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This is not related to the well known plumbing company, but a not so commonly known specialty business who makes laboratory test equipment and offer test services to the oil and gas industry. I see articles authored by "Dr. Raj Shah​ is a Director at Koehler Instrument Company in New York, where he has worked for the last 28 years." but I'm not seeing much coverage on the company in news or books and does not appear to pass WP:NCORP Graywalls (talk) 00:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A. K. Infradream Limited

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Fails GNG and NCORP. Nothing found that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found routine mill news articles, mentions, nothing showing this meets NCORP, or SIGCOV meeting GNG.  // Timothy :: talk  05:03, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Timonthy, can you please help me in improving this article. I am still looking for reliable sources for this article. I am editing this article again, please let me know whether it meets Wikipedia criteria or not. GrooveGalaxy (talk) 05:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shiftboard

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Questionable notability Amigao (talk) 22:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - A couple of reliable sources on the article, seems to meet WP:NORG. A couple of hits in the news section of Google too. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 19:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Securian Canada

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The subsidiary doesn't seem notable. This page can be a redirect to Securian Financial Group. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 15:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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They are separate business entities with separate governance structures from what I can tell and have reference on the Government of Canada website when I was digging around for references. While they share a name, I don't think the connection is that strong beyond that, seems like a worthwhile distinction for people who want to recognize the two entities especially when they have separate reputations (Securian Canada for example has poor reviews vs US which seems to be neutral). Brendanphilp (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: And I used to work for them, so I'll avoid this discussion. But yes, most of this is correct, they did insurance for Sears Canada, Hudson's Bay and Capital One (credit insurance and direct marketing items). Used to be the direct marketing division of JC Penney, then it was sold to Aegon, then sold again. Oaktree b (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Coverage here [6] and here [7]. Then here [ https://www.dmnews.com/penney-sells-dm-services-to-aegon/]. The article now seems to gloss over most of their history, which was "colourful" to be generous. A proper article on the company here should at least include the JC Penney and Aegon history. I've poked around the Canadian company's website, they're the subsidiary of the US Securian; they also tend to gloss over that for the same reasons I've outlined. They sell insurance using non-traditional methods (again, I'm trying to be diplomatic, but it seems to be about the same quality as when I was there in the JC Penney days), and even then, it was direct marketing/telemarketing, with all the "fun" that comes with that. Oaktree b (talk) 20:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Interesting, I think the JC Penney references are worth including if that's the case. I think maybe the tactics they use should be omitted unless we can reference that somehow like a newspaper article etc. I'll have a poke around again if there's anything I can reference around that but I didn't see anything on the first pass for including as a "controversy" section so to speak. Brendanphilp (talk) 13:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  So I've dug into it a bit over my morning coffee, it looks like maybe we're confusing two entities. What I can find here is Securian Canada used to be Canadian Premier Life, not JC Penney or Aegon. I did find this: https://www.advisor.ca/industry-news/industry/cpp-owned-wilton-re-buys-transamericas-canadian-business/ which has a same parent company that was purchased but they look like two separate entities in that deal. Maybe still worth referencing. Brendanphilp (talk) 14:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Desertarun (talk) 19:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  I still think given the above additional, that it's worthy of its own listing compared to rolled up into US parent. If it makes sense to add the https://www.advisor.ca/industry-news/industry/cpp-owned-wilton-re-buys-transamericas-canadian-business/ article to help add some context about these acquisitions, I think that would be helpful.

  I haven't personally been able to find external sources to validate the JC Penney part of the discussion or their "business practices" Oaktree b referenced but if someone finds something, happy to include as well.

  Let me know your thoughts! Brendanphilp (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medtral

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Non-notable company for medical tourism. Discussed at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board that it was set up by an SPA for promotional reasons. First AfD in 2009 closed as no consensus. Schwede66 20:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, promotion for an apparently defunct company. The website listed in the article (www.medtral.com) is dead, and a search for Medtral on www.mercyascot.co.nz returns nothing. I was the nominator for the first AfD for this article.-Gadfium (talk) 23:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Clearly promotional. Citations establish existence not notability. Appears to fail SIGCOV. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:34, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete SPA creation. A search on business.govt.nz indicates that Medtral Limited has been removed from the register and is thus defunct. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Lack of a functioning website strongly supports deletion as the article appears promotional and lacks notability. Waqar💬 17:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MailHippo

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Deprod by IP. Deletion reason still stands. The Yahoo Finance ref is a press release, the other sources are likewise either primary and nonindependent, blogs, or both. I have performed searches in EBSCO, Gale and ProQuest and have not been able to locate any sources suitable for WP:NCORP, it is likely that it is simply WP:TOOSOON for any significant coverage to exist. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - I can only find regular business listings such as Crunchbase. Nothing that meets WP:ORGCRIT.--CNMall41 (talk) 00:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medixsysteme

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Spammy promotional page written by connected WP:SPA-contributors. Does not appear to even have a functional website let alone any rs's. Pabsoluterince (talk) 09:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Wow. I'm a little surprised news actually returned zero results for once. Nothing useful in books, nothing at all in Qwant, nothing useful in ProQuest. Delete. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nano Nuclear Energy

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Fails WP:NCORP. Almost all sources are routine coverage and/or "contributor" or non-independent. Some articles about the broader technology mention the company in passing, but no real coverage of the company itself. Bestagon ⬡ 02:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as TOOSOON to tell if this company will someday become notable. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Nothing on my end either. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Loblaw boycott

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WP:NOTNEWS, WP:CRYSTALBALL. A boycott of only about 60 thousand people and probably less will not drastically affect the largest supermarket chain in Canada. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 17:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment I'd like to argue that I had taken the adequate steps in creating the article in a way that does not treat the situation as if it is acting as a WP:CRYSTALBALL. One could argue that it's nothing more than a boycott that originated from Reddit, but it's absolutely reached far beyond that, otherwise it wouldn't have been making national news, nor would I have created the article in the first place. There's a good amount of sources covering about this topic not only during/near the beginning of the boycott, but in the months leading up to it as well. Additionally pasting this here from what I've previously stated, but this is easily one of the most established consumer boycott movements directly related to the 2021–2023 inflation surge and in the 2020s overall outside of the American conservative-led Bud Light and Target Pride Month boycotts/backlash movements.

Adding on to this, but the only editors who have seen this as potentially being delete-worthy were a number of WP:ITN voters. It's received a passing review as well as a "go" sign by an Administrator on the DYK nomination (with the exception that a QPQ had to be completed). B3251 (talk) 17:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge to Loblaw. Until we actually know the size of this boycott, a separate article is simply not necessary. If it draws 100,000s and has continued coverage over the month, now that's likely something, but it is CRYSTAL to predict how much of a planned boycott (particularly one organized on Reddit) will have. --Masem (t) 02:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Loblaw Companies, in a reduced form. Too recent. Almost all of the coverage is from last week. I can't find support for the boycott being reported on prior to 18/4/2024 (although I haven't done WP:BEFORE level searching). I also couldn't find support for the vague suggestion planning started in January 2024.
  The Steal from Loblaw thing may or may not be worth merging, but it seems like it's a parallel thing with which the organizers are denying any relationship. Oblivy (talk) 02:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This topic is subject to massive news coverage in Canada; it's on all of the major networks and newspapers, night and day, running for days now. We do not judge notability based on outcome, we base it on coverage, and this passes any bar one might wish to consider for article creation. The arguments above are to the effect of "we don't know the outcome of the protest", but I'm not sure what that is supposed to even mean - we don't know the outcome of the campus protests in the US over Israel's involvement in Palestine, yet there are several articles on that topic and not one has been AfDed. The Loblaws coverage started the same time, so I'm likewise not sure how one can argue it's "too recent" and the other isn't. I'm inclined to SNOW this AfD unless someone can come up with a cogent argument based on actual policy. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  In my view the relevant policy is WP:CRYSTAL. All of the cites relating to the boycott are extremely recent. I put a link above to a mid-April day on which a local newspaper reported on the boycott. Maybe there's something earlier, I don't know.

  Although not a policy, the article has, in my view, some WP:COATRACK attributes as it puts together (1) allegations against the company (the background section), (2) the history of the reddit group, (3) the boycott and some corporate reaction, and (4) steal from Loblaw. These all fit a theme, which is anti-Loblaw activism (speaking directly, not trying to be provocative), and perhaps that's an article that could be written now. But an article on the boycott itself is too soon for the reason given above. Oblivy (talk) 21:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This article should not be deleted. The boycott started two days ago and is ongoing for the entire month. The Loblaws boycott is happening nationally and receiving press coverage from various sources. Deleting this article in the midst of the event when it is gaining more traction daily seems like someone is colluding with Loblaws to get more favourable press for their company. Wikipedia is suppose to be independent. The article should stay as it provides valuable information on the Loblaws Boycott. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sleeplessjade (talk • contribs) 13:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC) — Sleeplessjade (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Sleeplessjade (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. [reply]

  Please assume good faith. There are three editors who didn't vote for keep, and it is unwise to assume they're all conflict of interest editors. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Let me directly address your concern: No, I am not related to Loblaw. Neither is anyone who is !voting here (probably). 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 20:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Once the boycott ends, the article will serve as a permanent record of its success or failure. Bradlegar the Hobbit (talk)
• Comment to closer: This AfD has been posted off-wiki on Reddit, with instructions to vote Keep, see [8] ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 02:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As the article creator, I apologize for the actions of whoever may have posted this. I didn't make the Reddit post nor do I use Reddit, but this being posted in the community that is an active subject in the article itself causes major WP:BIAS issues with potential votes coming from r/loblawsisoutofcontrol community members rather than editors. B3251 (talk) 03:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for letting us know. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Posted again today [9]. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Loblaw Companies, per above. WP:TOOSOON and/or WP:CRYSTAL apply here. It would be a fine section in Loblaw Companies, but not much more. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 05:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I don't really buy the argument that because we don't know how a boycott will work out, we can't have it on Wikipedia. It's clearly very well supported by sources so is notable enough of an event. GraziePrego (talk) 08:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The criteria we should use is the notability of the topic, not the possible outcome of the boycott itself. The Wikipedia article already has a quote from François-Philippe Champagne (Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry), and Galen Weston Jr. (chairman of Loblaws), showing that it is creating a response from people in politics and the corporation. This article has 41 news articles cited as of May 5 from a wide range of news sources. The only reason that has been given is the prediction on the success of the boycott, which isn't a normal criteria that Wikipedia considers for deletion. If there is some criteria that is missing, it is recommended that that be better clarified in the discussion, so that the article can be improved, such as through additional citations or editing of the page.DivaNtrainin (talk) 01:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't saying the boycott wont have any effect trying to predict the future itself. It also assume that only members of the sub will participate in the boycott.

We don't know what the effect on the corporation financials will have.

But there's already very big PR damage done. It's on all the news network (both in French and English) and even the president of Loblaw met with one of the organiser. So the event itself is already something tangible and acknowledged by the Loblaw.

It can also be argued that it's a social event of mention in Canada on it's own. Jocoeur (talk) 01:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the above two comments do not stand up to longstanding policies that say we should not predict future events, like WP:CRYSTAL. There is no merit to claiming that those voting for merge or delete are predicting the boycott is going to fail. The onus is on those voting keep to offer policy-based arguments that this extremely recent and ongoing event is shown, based on things that have already happened and been reported on in reliable sources, to merit a separate article. Oblivy (talk) 02:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Your arguement is a reason to keep the article, not delete it. The fact that this boycott has created a lot of PR and the President of Loblaws (Galen Weston) has met with the organizer gives credence that the boycott is news worthy. There is still uncertainty of the effect of the boycott, but uncertainty by itself is not a reason for deletion. We can tag this as an ongoing event. We can add corporate financials as a separate subsection once they become available, but we shouldn't wait until financials become available to have this article. I have also seen some articles that this has lead to an increase in sales for local and alternative grocers, which is also something we can add to the article. If there is reliable articles regarding a shift in consumers spending, that is just as important as Loblaws bottom line.DivaNtrainin (talk) 16:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, I advocate keeping some of the content but not having a separate page. Noted that several days into the boycott people already extrapolate that it's having an effect, but there are longstanding policies cited above that counsel against including recent events such as this. Oblivy (talk) 01:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Property Finder

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Quite frankly, the sources are: company SPIP (not even about the company, just quotes about the market); more SPIP; SPIP about one of their events; more investor relations/market data; announcement of publicity initiative; funding announcement; interview; interview; more interview; funding; more funding; even more funding; product announcement; M&A; another M&A. In other news, more market predictions, more routine announcements.

What's missing: Any semblance of any coverage anywhere close to meeting WP:ORGDEPTH. It seems impossible that this article would become anything other than an investor relations brochure. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RouteNote

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Fails WP:NCORP. Out of the 9 sources in the article only 4 could have the potential to count towards NCORP, and out of the 4, I am not entirely satisfied with their independence. ([10][11][12][13]). This article appeared for me while doing WP:NPP and I wasn't comfortable accepting it and with the last AfD being no consensus, I thought I'd opt for the AfD route. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Deugro

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So I created this page back in 2019, thinking that this company, being big, should have a WP page. However, since then, it has been tagged for notability issues. It might be best to remove it, as if a German company doesn't have an article on German WP, it likely isn't worth having on English WP at all. Others might perceive it as a paid article, which it is not. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I think this can be speedied under G7. The only edits from other people are some minor cleanup. Might do an actual comment later if I don't miss it though. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jord Engineers India

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This company article is missing a reliable source to establish notability. The only reference is a dead link. After searching, found social media and sales websites, but no comprehensive, in-depth coverage of this company. Article was created by a new user on 11 July 2012, their only contribution to Wikipedia. Was PROD April 22, 2024; contested on April 27. Also, "Requesting speedy deletion (CSD A7)" on 15:24, 11 July 2012. JoeNMLC (talk) 15:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Fails WP:N, has one dead reference, and a quick Google search found only the official website and the Linkedin (of course). The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 16:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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M Group Services

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M&A activity appears to be pretty much the totality of the available sourcing, and that is excluded from establishing notability per WP:ORGTRIV. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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XPANCEO

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Spammy article on company that, as far as I can tell, struggles to meet WP:BASIC, let alone the more stringent WP:CORP. None of the sources in the article contribute to notability:

1. Ref 1: A Forbes Contributors article.
2. Ref 2: An advert on the website of what looks to me to be a dodgy award.
3. Ref 3: An obvious PR/paid-for piece.
4. Ref 4: A Forbes profile of the company founder that, if nothing else, is obviously not significant coverage of the company.
5. Ref 5: The source contains a few lines about the founder, again; nothing about the company.
6. Ref 6: More or less the same as Ref 5, and therefore the same issues.
7. Ref 7: Most of this TechRadar article reports what the company has to say about itself, or peripheral information about the field - not independent reporting on the company's work.
8. Ref 8: This looks like a version of a press release subject to churnalism by multiple other outlets as well. Searching on Google for the headline of this article unearths other articles such as this press release.
9. Ref 9: not significant coverage of the company.

Searching the company on Google doesn't yield anything better, as far as I could tell. I mostly found interviews, blog posts, passing mentions, PR pieces or churnalism. JavaHurricane 12:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Genuinely, I do not think that it is appropriate to say the article is Spam while in the reality that it represents something true. Over google there could be plenty of PRs. But, here I used references from reliable sites and non PR ones I have also included some more references and will continue to add more if I am getting time. And for your information this article was created and was live on Wikipedia's main-space for a long time but, for unknown reason the main contributor of the article made it blank and that is why it was removed and I tried to make it happen again. Joidfybvc (talk) 12:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. UPE spam. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Workday Adaptive Planning

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Does not meet WP:CORP, at least in my opinion. There is no significant coverage from a reliable source, the Fortune article cited is simply a serialized list. A cursory Google search for alternative sources didn't turn up much, as they were acquired by Workday. TJS808 (talk) 20:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Workday, Inc. All independent available coverage that I can find is in the vein of acquisitions and thus not qualifying under WP:ORGCRIT ([14], [15], [16]). Other available coverage appears to be sponcon or otherwise not independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would also second Dclemens1971's opinion to merge for the same reason. Annika59 (talk) 00:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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CITYpeek

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Fails the notability guideline for companies. Passing mentions in local sources only. – Teratix ₵ 16:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ENAPU

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Article on a small company formed in 1970 with just "it exists" type info. North8000 (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Good evening, I am currently unable to review this nomination individually, but in the event that the deadline passes before I am able to do so, I would like to request that the page be redirected to Revolutionary Government of the Armed Forces of Peru as a section which includes enough coverage of this and similar entities can be created. AlejandroFC (talk) 20:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yamnuska Mountain Adventures

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Non-notable mountain guiding company in Canada (per N:CORP). There are some scraps of articles in local old Canadian newspapers, but nothing nationally or internationally (and zero SIGCOV anywhere). Some famous Canadian climbers have worked there, but the company never appears in any of main climbing RS (per WP:NCLIMB). Article had a lot of unreferenced promotional material, which I removed, but ultimately it has no future on Wikipedia. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Very little of the content in the article is referenced or supported by reliable sources. Of the 6 references provided, 3 of the links are broken or the original articles have now been taken off-line. It fails on the basis of verifiability Sadly what is little sourced material is left does not qualify as WP:SIGCOV. Dfadden (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What content do you believe should be referenced? Jdemontigny (talk) 02:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, for starters, the entire Sponsorship and Community Involvement section contains only 4 refs, 2 of which are dead links, another points only to a homepage for the John Lauchlan award and makes no mention of Yamnuska Mountain Adventures and the final one makes only passing reference to the organisation sponsoring a $500 prize in a local book contest - hardly in-depth, significant coverage!

  The list of issues is a very long one - history section talks about changes of ownership and board appointments with no sources cited; guides section makes generic, unreferenced claims about pioneering new routes through the Rockies; a throwaway line after a referenced claim that they were the second largest employer of certified guides in 1993 that says "it is expected that this is true today" - really? How do we check this anyway as the original source is a 30 year old off-line newspaper article that you'd likely need a Canadian library or subscription to an archive service to verify.

  There is a large amount unencyclopedic promotional content throughout the article that likey violates WP:PROMO (eg. "The very exacting standards to which Yamnuska Mountain Adventure's guides are held should not obscure the fact that the guides are the heart and soul of the company." or "Individuals, groups, corporations and military organizations from all over the world continue to choose Yamnuska Mountain Adventures as their provider. Yamnuska Mountain Adventures has become known as the leader in the industry with excellent program delivery, high levels of risk management and excellent customer service." Once again, neither of these statements are supported by any sources, let alone reliable ones. Dfadden (talk) 13:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'd love to see this stay up as I think Yamnuska has a long (47 years) history and has had many touch points within the Canadian mountaineering community that are worth knowing about. You're right it needs some work with the references. Here is one for the John Lauchlan award with Yamnuska listed to start: https://www.alpineclubofcanada.ca/community/financial-grants/john-lauchlan-award/

  How do you suggest I reference or find sources that we have military contracts?

  You seem pretty motivated to delete this content but I would suggest that working to bring this to the right level would be in Wikipedia's best interest. Jdemontigny (talk) 02:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I appreciate you feel strongly about the importance of this company. I don't have any personal investment either way. Im not motivated to delete content arbitrarily, but afyer objectively assessing it against wikipedia's content policies, the case to delete it far outweighs the case to keep it in my view. The link you provided to the John Lauchlan award doesnt actually mention the company, but has its logo as a sponsor. Under Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines that are the basis for what should and should not be included in the encyclopedia, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." I'm failing to see how the inclusion of the company's logo on a list of award sponsors is anything but trivial.

  As to your question about finding sources related to military contracts, if you cannot locate any, this fails the general notability guidelines of WP:Verifiability - if you cannot find a reliable source that supports a claim, then that claim shouldn't be published in an encyclopedia. There are many companies with Defense contracts and partnerships all over the world that are well documented in industry publications (for example this article, which provides independent, significant coverage [17]).

  If you think you can fix the article to an standard that satisfies the notability guidelines, you can request it is moved to the draft space where you can edit it, however I'm slight concerned that you said "How do you suggest I reference or find sources that we have military contracts?" This implies you have some connection to this company that may represent a Conflict of Interest. If this is the case you should declare it upfront and click on the blue link to familiarise yourself with the policy around COI edits. Dfadden (talk) 03:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'd like to know why Yamnuska Mountain Adventures would be considered a non-notable mountain guiding company in Canada? It is still Canada's largest, non-mechanized Guiding company. I think this company should remain on Wikipedia and not be deleted. Jdemontigny (talk) 02:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  For a company to be notable on Wikipedia, it must meet the criteria of WP:NCORP, which requires quality independent sources to give significant covergage on the subject (ad not people who worked for the subject etc.).

  The issue is that I could find no such sources - not even in main line climbing media (per WP:NCLIMB). If such sources exist, you can paste them here (just put the web link inside hard brackets like this), and they can be considered. Aszx5000 (talk) 08:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  (https://mountfitnesstraining.com/learning-climb-not-just-young-people/)

  (https://explore-mag.com/Mountain-guides-the-investment-you-cant-afford-not-to-make/)

  (https://calgaryguardian.com/wild-jobs-mountaineering-guide/)

  (https://www.wildly.ca/articles/7-women-only-adventures-in-the-canadian-rockies)

  (https://achatscanada.canada.ca/fr/occasions-de-marche/contrats-octroyes/w3666-19h003/001/cal-003)

  (https://www.landrovercalgary.com/made-for-the-mountains-week-2.html)

  (https://www.instagram.com/seanisaacguiding/p/CiiPUHAJ7ht/)

  (https://www.banfflakelouise.com/blog/summer-itineraries-4-days-adrenaline-pumping-adventures-banff-national-park)

  (https://outpostmagazine.com/what-exactly-is-mountaineering-heres-how-yamnuska-defines-the-sport/)

  (https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/novice-back-country-skiers-boarders-and-snowshoers-learn-avalanche-safety-1.5193000?cache=mxzpofjaup%3FautoPlay%3Dtrue%3FclipId%3D89530)

  (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/spring-avalanche-conditions-1.4637376)

  (https://www.ctvnews.ca/lifestyle/banff-national-park-s-mount-temple-a-taxing-terrific-trek-1.4429713?cache=%3FclipId%3D64268&src=sdkpreparse)

  (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/the-mountains-are-unforgiving-climber-deaths-a-reminder-of-scrambling-risks-says-mountain-guide-1.4793259)

  (https://www.thecragandcanyon.ca/opinion/columnists/bubba-smoke-and-politics)

  (https://www.mountainviewtoday.ca/beyond-local/caf-conducts-adventure-training-around-canmore-mountains-3444173)

  (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/peak-perfection-alberta-rockies-rise-as-popular-ice-climbing-destination-1.6361832)

  (https://globalnews.ca/news/945924/k-country-avalanche-sparks-call-for-caution-on-ice-climbs/) Jdemontigny (talk) 02:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Having read and considered the links provided above, I am starting to form a view that this company is at least somewhat notable. However, it needs a lot of work by an experienced editor (with no COI or connection to the company) to address the many issues it has and ensure it folows the WP:NPOV guideline.
  • Most of the articles linked provide only trivial coverage, or are focussed on employees and directors, rather than the company itself, but I think this speaks to @Jdemontigny's lack of familiarity with Wikipedia content policies (and potential COI). Things like Instagram and blog posts by anonymous users are hardly WP:RS. That said, I feel the 2x CTV articles and the Outpost Magazine article do provide considerable depth and verify some of the Yamnuska article's claims. It will take a lot of work to bring the article up to standard and this probably should be done in the draftspace. I would support Draftify although I'm not familiar enough with the subject matter to volunteer and it's not a particular area of interest for me. Dfadden (talk) 21:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Most businesses (and corporations) generate an online presence as part of their commercial activities. That is why WP:NCORP requires "significant coverage (addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth)" on the corporation. None of the above references are about the "Yamnuska Mountain Adventures" as a significant topic (and many are not really sources that would be acceptable to Wikipedia), but rather mention them in relation to other topics. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    In an effort to give this one the benefit of the doubt, I went searching for further RS... I found an academic publication on google scholar here: [18]

    Co-author of this document is Jesse De Montigny, of Yamnuska Mountain Adventures. Noting that a significant contributor to this article who has also contributed to this AfD has the username user:jdemontigny and their total contribution to Wikipedia has been edits to this article or the AfD, I feel there is a clear conflict of interest and I am now firmly in favour of delete! While I do think there may be enough out there to prove the company is at least somewhat notable and salvage a very basic version of the article, I feel the only fair way to achieve that now would be with WP:TNT and a robust, consensus driven AfC. Dfadden (talk) 01:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Every company will easily meet WP:NEXIST, by the nature of their activities. Therefore, because of the promotional aspect of companies on Wikipedia (and this article has a lot of promotional material on it when I came to it), the notability of WP:NCORP is stringently applied imho. Having gone through the sources above, it is clear that in this case, a Wikipedia article for 'Yamnuska Mountain Adventures' would be the biggest plank in its notability (hence the conflicted editor working on it), which is the wrong way around. ( Aszx5000 (talk) 09:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for doing a bit of digging into it. I didn't write the original content but did do a bunch of edits to add some more modern content given my knowledge of the business. This was the first time I had contributed to a Wikipedia page so clearly some learning needed. Could the article not just be reverted to the original, removing my edits if having me write them is a conflict of interest? 2604:3D09:2384:900:3D76:98E:C35A:6AC2 (talk) 02:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gotham, Inc.

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Fails WP:CORP. Found only one independent source with in-depth coverage: https://archives.lib.duke.edu/catalog/gothaminc. Flounder fillet (talk) 03:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seeds of Hope Publishers

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The organization does not appear to pass WP:GNG The only references not published by the organization itself is a trivial mention in the NYT and a profile of the editor, Katie Cook, in bpfna.org, who was (at the time) an editor of bpfna.org as well. While there is a list of articles under the "Further Reading" section, one of the articles was written by a student newspaper, one from Baptists Today, and the others all seem to be limited to the Waco Tribune-Herald. They are mostly from the 1990s- and I have been able to find no significant coverage since.

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• Delete Full of primary sources and only 2 gnews hits which is surprising for an American organization. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 08:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Somali Inside News

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No notability upon WP:BEFORE. Doesn't meet GNG or NME 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 13:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  since WP: NEO is cited, let us see what it says, Articles on Somali Inside News that have little or no usage in reliable sources are commonly deleted, but in this case, this phrase is very widely cited across an enormous variety of reliable sources. The phrase probably should also be mentioned Mass media in Somalia. if anyone can tell us why it should be deleted. @Rydex64 HelperWik25 (talk) 14:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Apacer

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Previously deleted and salted as Apacer Technology Inc. No evidence of notability * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Ng, Celeste See-Pui; Chang, Pei-Chann (2009). "Exploring the Links between Competitive Advantage and Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) Upgrade Decision: A Case Study Approach". In Chou, Shuo-Yan; Trappey, Amy; Pokojski, Jerzy; Smith, Shana (eds.). Global Perspective for Competitive Enterprise, Economy and Ecology: Proceedings of the 16th ISPE International Conference on Concurrent Engineering. London: Springer-Verlag. p. 185. doi:10.1007/978-1-84882-762-2_17. ISBN 978-1-84882-761-5. Retrieved 2024-04-28 – via Google Books.

     The book notes: "Apacer was founded in April 1997. The capital is over ten hundred million US dollars with approximately 500 staff members. The business volume is NTD120 millions in year 2003 and reached NTD140 million in 2004. The head-quarter is situated at the Nankang Software Park, Taipei. The firm currently has offices in USA, Netherlands, France, Tokyo, Middle East, India, Sydney, Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia. Apacer is a manufacturing company that develops dynamic RAM (DRAM). Apacer offers various types of sale services to its clients based on the size of the order and the size of the client's company."

  2. "Apacer Technology Inc. (Taiwan, China)". EMIS. 2024-03-26. Archived from the original on 2024-04-28. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

     The company summary of the report notes: "Apacer Technology Inc. was founded in 1997 and, from its earliest stage, positioned itself to be an agile supplier of DRAM whose primary operations focused on memory modules. The company provides standard DRAM memory modules, which include 128 megabyte (MB), 256MB, 512 MB, 1 gigabyte (GB), 2GB, 4GB and 8GB double data rate (DDR) I, DDR II and DDR III products; DRAM memory modules, which are applied in industrial computers, servers, printers, network products, routers and memory modules; flash memory cards, flash memory drives, multimedia players and digital peripheral products, including moving picture experts group layer-3 audio (MP3) players, flash drives, card readers, solid hard disks, universal serial bus (USB) hubs and USB chargers, among others, as well as embedded flash memory modules. Reliant upon the semiconductor’s complete vertical integration of the memory modules' technical capabilities with its professional marketing services, Apacer successfully created its own global brand and had become the world’s fourth largest memory module manufacturer by 1999. Since its establishment it has set up subsidiaries in the United States, the Netherlands, Japan, Mainland of China, India etc."

  3. "Apacer Technology Inc. (Taiwan, China)" [宇瞻科技股份有限公司 (中国台湾地区)] (in Chinese). EMIS. 2024-03-26. Archived from the original on 2024-04-28. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

     The company summary of the report notes: "1997年4月16日，成立企基科技股份有限公司，设立公司于台北市，资本额新台币10,000,000元，为宏基集团转投资公司，提供记忆体模组产品之专业制造商。同年7月，公司地址迁移至台北县汐止市，并更名为宇瞻科技股份有限公司。10月，成立宇瞻美国子公司。1998年1月，龙潭厂区设立。同年2月，成立欧洲子公司。4月，领先推出符合IntelPC100规格的记忆体模组。"

     From Google Translate: "On April 16, 1997, Apacer Technology Inc. was established in Taipei City with a capital of NT$10,000,000. It is a company invested by Acer Group and provides a professional manufacturer of memory module products. In July of the same year, the company's address was moved to Xizhi City, Taipei County, and its name was changed to Apacer Technology Co., Ltd. In October, Apacer's US subsidiary was established. In January 1998, Longtan factory was established. In February of the same year, a European subsidiary was established. In April, it took the lead in launching memory modules that meet Intel PC100 specifications."

  4. Chen, Yanni 陳嬿妮 (1998-12-04). "宇瞻科技擦亮APACER招牌 挾宏碁集團豐富資源 在記憶體模組領域快速崛起" [Apacer Technology Polishes Apacer Brand. Leveraging Acer Group's rich resources to rapidly rise in the field of memory modules.]. Economic Daily News [zh] (in Chinese). p. 54.

     The review notes: "宏碁半導體集團旗下一支專業記憶體模組供應商一宇瞻科技公司，成立才一年半，漸露鋒芒。預期今年營業額將突破2．5億美元，已躍升全球前十大記憶體模組製造商；明年可望營收4億美元，前進全球前五大廠名列，擦亮自有品牌「Apacer」招牌。... 隨著營運版圖的擴大，一年半來宇瞻科技公司已由早期十多人組，增加到現在100多人公司，並在今年7月增設龍潭廠房且在美國、荷蘭都設有分公司，使Apacer記憶體模組新產品研發、生產及行銷能充份掌握。"

     From Google Translate: "Apacer Technology, a professional memory module supplier under the Acer Semiconductor Group, has only been established for a year and a half and is gradually showing its talents. Revenue this year is expected to exceed US$250 million, making it one of the top ten memory module manufacturers in the world. Next year, revenue is expected to reach US$400 million, ranking among the top five manufacturers in the world, and polishing its own brand "Apacer" brand. ... With the expansion of its operating territory, in the past year and a half, Apacer Technology has grown from a team of more than ten people in the early days to more than 100 people now. In July this year, it added a Longtan factory and has branches in the United States and the Netherlands. Apacer memory module new product development, production and marketing can be fully grasped."

  5. Cao, Zhengfen 曹正芬 (2000-01-07). "宇瞻搶攻快閃記憶體卡商機 網路通訊設備需求增加 今年業績目標5,000萬美元" [Apacer seizes flash memory card business opportunities. Demand for network communication equipment increases; this year's performance target is US$50 million]. Economic Daily News [zh] (in Chinese). p. 30.

     The article notes: "宏碁集團轉投資公司宇瞻科技跨足快閃記憶體卡領域，由於網路、通訊設備需求增加，宇瞻將快閃記憶體卡今年業績目標訂為5,000萬美元。 ... 宇瞻為國內記憶體模組廠商，去年宣布跨入快閃記憶體卡領域，由宇瞻向業者購買快閃記憶體，自行組裝快閃記憶體卡。宇瞻當初決定跨足快閃記憶體卡，起意在於供應宏碁集團專用電腦 (XC)之需。"

     From Google Translate: "Acer Group's investment company Apacer Technology has entered the field of flash memory cards. Due to the increase in demand for network and communication equipment, Apacer has set a flash memory card performance target of US$50 million this year. ... Apacer is a domestic memory module manufacturer. Last year, it announced that it would enter the field of flash memory cards. Apacer will purchase flash memory from industry players and assemble the flash memory cards itself. Apacer originally decided to branch out into flash memory cards with the intention of supplying the Acer Group's dedicated computers (XC)."

  6. Chen, Yanni 陳嬿妮 (2001-03-08). "宇瞻與聯測簽合作契約" [Apacer signs cooperation contract with Lianchai]. Economic Daily News [zh] (in Chinese). p. 26.

     The article notes: "全球第四大記憶體模組大廠宇瞻科技 (Apacer) 公司昨（7）日宣佈與聯測公司簽訂合作契約 ..."

     From Google Translate: "Apacer, the world's fourth largest memory module manufacturer, announced yesterday (7th) that it had signed a cooperation contract with Lianchai ..."

  7. Lin, Maoren 林茂仁 (2004-01-27). "《《數位發燒商品》》 宇瞻隨身燒 精彩畫面不錯過" ["Digital Fever Products" Apacer burns with you, don’t miss the wonderful pictures]. Economic Daily News [zh] (in Chinese). p. 30.

     The article notes: "宇瞻的「隨身燒CP200」及「Audio Steno MS400隨身碟」兩款數位儲存產品，日前並雙雙獲得第十二屆「台灣精品獎」殊榮，其中「隨身燒CP200」更晉級「國家產品形象獎」，挑戰國家評鑑最高榮譽「國家產品金質獎」。宇瞻「Audio Steno MS400隨身碟」為全球首創相容於MemoryStick及Memory Stick Pro記憶卡的MP3隨身碟，目標鎖定全球超過四千萬人的Memory Stick記憶卡使用者。"

     From Google Translate: "Apacer's two digital storage products, "Portable Burner CP200" and "Audio Steno MS400 Flash Drive", recently both won the 12th "Taiwan Excellence Award". Among them, "Portable Burner CP200" was even promoted to the "National Product Image Award" , challenging the "National Product Gold Award", the highest honor in national evaluation. Apacer's "Audio Steno MS400 flash drive" is the world's first MP3 flash drive compatible with MemoryStick and Memory Stick Pro memory cards, targeting more than 40 million Memory Stick memory card users around the world."

  8. Peng, Zihao 彭子豪 (2006-05-18). "宇瞻科技Tango系列 隨身碟耍時尚" [Apacer Technology Tango series flash drive is fashionable]. Economic Daily News [zh] (in Chinese). p. E3.

     The article notes: "許久沒推出新作的記憶體模組大廠－宇瞻科技（Apacer）日前推出「Tango」隨身碟系列，受到該公司過去於產品設計上具有不錯的口碑，這次推出的Tango系列在產品外觀上，確實和市場相關產品不同，賣相不差。「Tango」的外觀游走在科技與時尚的邊界，並融合資訊傳輸便利和流行時尚元素，外型硬挺陽剛外，更內建Tango軟體技術，透過「同步資料」的技術，"

     From Google Translate: "Apacer, a major memory module manufacturer that has not launched a new product for a long time, has recently launched the "Tango" flash drive series. Due to the company's good reputation for product design in the past, the Tango series launched this time has a unique appearance in terms of product appearance. It is indeed different from related products in the market, and the appearance is not bad. The appearance of "Tango" walks on the boundary between technology and fashion, and integrates information transmission convenience and popular fashion elements. It has a tough and masculine appearance, and it also has built-in Tango software technology. Through the "synchronization data" technology,"

  9. Xu, Mujun 徐睦鈞 (2010-12-28). "宇瞻 增加高毛利產品" [Apacer adds high-margin products]. United Evening News [zh] (in Chinese). p. B3.

     The article notes: "準上市記憶體模組股宇瞻科技 (8271)將在明天以每股21元掛牌 ... 宇瞻目前生產DRAM模組的標準型產品營收占70%，藉由徹底落實數字管理，即便在近年DRAM報價數度走弱下，獲利表現仍優於同業；而占營收比重30%的加值型產品毛利率貢獻度較高，未來將持續專注在工業用SSD市場以及數位家庭市場，預計明年加值型事業的營收比重將拉高到40%以上。"

     From Google Translate: "Apacer Technology (8271), a quasi-listed memory module stock, will be listed tomorrow at 21 yuan per share. ... Apacer currently produces 70% of its revenue from standard products of DRAM modules. By thoroughly implementing digital management, its profit performance is still better than that of its peers even when DRAM quotations have weakened several times in recent years; while Apacer accounts for 30% of its revenue. Value-added products have a high contribution to gross profit margin. In the future, they will continue to focus on the industrial SSD market and the digital home market. It is expected that the revenue proportion of value-added businesses will increase to more than 40% next year."

  10. Zhou, Pinjun 周品均 (2010-12-29). "宇宇瞻上市 漲幅衝3成 今天好熱鬧 鑫永銓櫃轉市漲0.15元 弘憶新上市漲0.1元" [Apacer goes public, gains 30%. It's so lively today. Xinyongquan's new listing rose 0.15 yuan and Hongyi's new listing rose 0.1 yuan.]. United Evening News [zh] (in Chinese). p. B1.

      The article notes: "宇瞻前11月營收118.98億元，前3季稅後淨利2.92億元，每股盈餘(EPS)2.62元，雖然今年第四季動態隨機存取記憶體市況不佳，但宇瞻在毛利較高的加值型產品比重拉升的情況下，法人預期，今年EPS有望挑戰3元水準。... 宇瞻今上市 開盤23.05元 最高27.9元 最低23元 成交6460張"

      From Google Translate: "Apacer's revenue in the first November was 11.898 billion yuan, its net profit after tax in the first three quarters was 292 million yuan, and its earnings per share (EPS) was 2.62 yuan. Although the DRAM market conditions were not good in the fourth quarter of this year, Apacer's gross profit was higher With the proportion of value-added products increasing, the legal person expects that this year's EPS is expected to challenge the 3 yuan level. ... Apacer went public today. The opening price was 23.05 yuan, the highest was 27.9 yuan, the lowest was 23 yuan, and 6,460 contracts were traded."

  11. Chen, Fuxia 陳復霞 (2017-05-19). "宇瞻科技成立20周年奠基工控第一" [Apacer Technology's 20th Anniversary, Laying the Foundation for the First Place in Industrial Control]. CTimes (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-28. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

      The article notes: "宇瞻科技(Apacer)歡慶成立20周年。宇瞻科技1997年創立，以持續打造最佳品質與效能兼具的創新領導產品，屢獲世界級肯定。自2012年起，連續四年蟬聯Gartner評比全球第一工業用固態硬碟供應商，奠基工控市場的領先地位。"

      From Google Translate: "Apacer celebrates its 20th anniversary. Founded in 1997, Apacer Technology continues to create innovative and leading products with the best quality and performance, and has repeatedly won world-class recognition. Since 2012, it has been ranked as the world's No. 1 industrial solid-state drive supplier by Gartner for four consecutive years, establishing its leading position in the industrial control market."

  12. Sun, Yuliang 孙玉亮 (2013-01-04). "宇瞻张家騉:服务+创新 深挖高利润行业" [Apacer Zhang Jiaqing: Service + Innovation to dig deep into high-profit industries]. ZOL [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-28. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

      The article notes: "Apacer宇瞻科技成立于1997年，初期公司以DRAM模组的专业供货商为定位，将经营聚焦在「记忆存储」。凭着对半导体垂直整合的完整内存模组技术能力与专业营销业务，成功在全球打出Apacer自有品牌，并于1999年成为全球第四大内存模组厂商。企业总部位于中国台湾，在上海设有宇瞻电子（上海）有限公司。此外在美国、欧洲、日本、印度等地设有分公司。"

      From Google Translate: "Apacer Technology was founded in 1997. In the early days, the company positioned itself as a professional supplier of DRAM modules and focused its business on "memory storage." With its complete memory module technology capabilities and professional marketing business in vertically integrating semiconductors, Apacer successfully launched its own brand around the world and became the world's fourth largest memory module manufacturer in 1999 . The company is headquartered in Taiwan, China, and has Apacer Electronics (Shanghai) Co., Ltd. in Shanghai. In addition, it has branches in the United States, Europe, Japan, India and other places."

  13. Zhang, Xuhong 張旭宏 (2010-10-15). "台股宇瞻科技通過上市審議 股價2天漲逾1成 全年營收上看130億元" [Apacer Technology passes listing review, stock price rises by more than 10% in 2 days, annual revenue reaches 13 billion yuan]. 頭條新聞 [cnYES] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-28. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

      The article notes: "宇瞻科技成立於1997年，主要從事記憶體模組製造銷售，產品包含記憶體模組(DRAM Module)、快閃記憶體相關產品(如快閃記憶儲存卡、快閃碟、消費性儲存控制器、嵌入式快閃記憶體模組、可摧式多媒體儲存裝置)、動態隨機存取記憶體、快閃記憶體等，... 全球第七大DRAM Module廠，2009年市佔率約4.4%，市場結構為內銷佔28%、亞洲佔34%、歐洲佔24%、美洲14%。"

      From Google Translate: "Apacer Technology was founded in 1997 and is mainly engaged in the manufacturing and sales of memory modules. Its products include DRAM Modules, flash memory related products (such as flash memory cards, flash disks, and consumer storage controllers). , embedded flash memory modules, destructible multimedia storage devices), dynamic random access memory, flash memory, etc., ... Currently, the company is the seventh largest DRAM Module manufacturer in the world, with a market share of approximately 4.4% in 2009. The market structure is domestic sales accounting for 28%, Asia 34%, Europe 24%, and Americas 14%."

  14. Product reviews:
      1. Chuenprasaeng, Paisal (2003-09-07). "pacer Audio steno Bp300: Apace sets the pace for tunes". The Nation. Archived from the original on 2024-04-28. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

         The review notes: "Apacer Audio Steno BP300 is a beautifully designed three-in-one device capable of playing digital music, recording and serving as a mobile hard disk. Despite all these features, it has a reasonable price of only Bt4,000."

      2. Yap, Nigel (2002-04-11). "Portable storage media for PCs and notebooks". New Straits Times. Archived from the original on 2024-04-28. Retrieved 2024-04-28.

         The review notes: "All in all, the Apacer Handy Drive is a useful device to have around, especially if you are tired of floppy drives. It is portable, small, and can hold quite a a good deal of data. This is especially so if you are to purchase the one-gigabyte (GB) version of the Apacer Handy Drive which will cost RM3,000. The setback is when you want to transfer files to machines running on Windows 98 and below as you would need to have the driver files."

      3. "The road warrior's CD writer continues to grow apace: Slow down". British Journal of Photography. Vol. 150, no. 7432. 2003-06-04. p. 11. ProQuest 1673730224.

         The review notes: "As things stand, with a price tag of just under £200 (before VAT) the Apacer is attractively positioned, but not exceptionally so. It is therefore significant to report that the drive comes with its own padded case, which is a definite bonus. Although a CompactFlash card was mentioned above, the drive has a six-type card reader that also accepts MMC/SD, Memory Stick, ...One observation that I had not come across until I tried the Apacer was the incompatibility that appears to exist between older CD writers and the latest high speed discs, but not vice versa. So whereas my own La Cie drive, which has an 18x maximum write speed, was uncomfortable with 48x TDK discs, the Apacer, despite only being able to write at up to 24x, was perfectly contented."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Apacer (Chinese: 宇瞻科技股份有限公司) to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 11:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep based on the sources found by Cunard. Mccapra (talk) 05:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bandhan Mutual Fund

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Trivial coverage according to WP:ORGTRIV. Citations are collections of paid news which are highly pervasive and deeply integrated practice within Indian news media WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The primary issue arises from the editor's attempt to pass off two financial products (exchange traded funds), namely BANDHAN S&P BSE SENSEX ETF (BSE:540154) and BANDHAN NIFTY 50 ETF (NSE:IDFNIFTYYET), as company's own stock market listings, which they are not, thereby failing to adhere to WP:LISTED. A comparable effort was observed in the AFD discussion of Aditya Birla Sun Life Insurance, wherein the company tried to be part of NIFTY 50 without proper validation. In a nutshell, the company falls short when it comes to meeting WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:ORGIND. To put it mildly, they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a banjo and their depth is about as shallow as a puddle in the Sahara. TCBT1CSI (talk) 12:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Atlus USA

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Reads like a video game essay, insufficient standalone notability. Only source I found that might have sufficient coverage is the Game Informer one, suggesting merger with Atlus. IgelRM (talk) 02:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Seems quite notable, cites over 77 sources, many of which are secondary. I will note that if language is an issue, just tag it. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I could have tagged for style but generally interviews, which are a large part of the sources, don't give sufficient notability. IgelRM (talk) 17:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: A fairly in-depth article that explains its significance outside of the parent company; several dozen hits when looking at a cursory Google Books search. I do not see a strong reason to delete. Why? I Ask (talk) 02:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I am assuming you are referring to "notable in its localization approach in preserving as much of the original", but I struggle to find a notable source for that and mentioned Game Informer article doesn't say it. It would help me if you could pick an example book with significant coverage. IgelRM (talk) 17:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Neutral: I know I'm biased, and if things go another way I'll accept the decision. If style and writing is the issue, then it needs a rewrite. Or maybe trimming down in places like that huge game list. --ProtoDrake (talk) 06:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  (Biased means article creator here for outsiders) It only makes sense to rewrite if it is notable. The game list seems fine although ideally it should be sourced and maybe spun-out to a separate page. IgelRM (talk) 18:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Somewhat off-topic but the name in the lead was changed from "USA to "West" (as well as on the Atlus article), which does not appear to an official name. IgelRM (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Can the keep editors give WP:THREE for those of us who don't want to slog through 77 (!) references? -- asilvering (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Tagging @Thetechie: @Why? I Ask:. I mentioned relevant Game Informer article above, so maybe two? IgelRM (talk) 10:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - per above, article passes WP:GNG smoothly. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 22:56, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge, concur with others below, fails WP:THREE, see discussion on my talk Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 01:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Atlus. After (briefly) looking through the 77 sources and Google Books, I'm simply not seeing significant coverage of Atlus USA in reliable, secondary, independent sources. The article clearly has plenty of sources, but they're all trivial mentions (not significant coverage) or interviews (not secondary or independent), plus a few primary sources from Atlus. A few sources do border on significant coverage of Atlus, the parent company, but not Atlus USA, the subject of this article. The only source that is unequivocally significant coverage of Atlus USA is Game Informer, as mentioned above. Will gladly change my mind if anyone can point to two more sources that actually demonstrate SIGCOV. Woodroar (talk) 12:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Deliberating a possible merge: History section (except staff section, which does not appear notable) to Atlus; Localization approach section (mostly about localizing SMT) to Megami Tensei; Publishing section and third-party list into an additional section on List of Atlus games. IgelRM (talk) 19:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This makes sense to me! Woodroar (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Editors are free to merge whatever content they want to other articles but XFDcloser can only handle one Merge target article in closing a discussion. Would that be Atlus? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Understood, yes; although merging most into Atlus doesn't appear feasible to me, so perhaps redirect to Atlus would be a more accurate AFD close while still preserving for future editors. IgelRM (talk) 21:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Functionally, a merge or redirect is the same result for the topic article. Just a matter of "review for mergeable content first" really. -- ferret (talk) 21:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge I've been going back and forth on this one, but Woodroar more or less said where I ended up. The GameInformer is a huge in-depth source, but as I went through the rest, I simply could not find anything else. A few passing mentions in relation to games ("And Atlus USA is translating" and the like), and many of the non-interviews/non-primaries seemed to not mention Atlus USA at all. Calls for the !Keeps to provide at minimum three are unanswered at this time. -- ferret (talk) 13:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'm just curious, is there policy/precedent for not spinning out regional branches like this? Nintendo of America for example doesn't have a standalone article even though it seemingly could. I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't an argument for or against deletion, I'm just wondering if there was some previous consensus on this. CurlyWi (talk) 17:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think ideally every single article is as comprehensive as possible, so I would need to ask why (maybe because of the section length?) and what a spin-out would improve. IgelRM (talk) 18:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge per above. The article doesn't have enough in-depth sources to exist on it's own, most articles are about the Japanese developer. Swordman97 ^{talk to me} 03:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Seems quite notable per WP:NORG. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Would you mind identifying the three best sources demonstrating notability for Atlus USA? Woodroar (talk) 18:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I really really want to change my position, but no one has provided a single source other than Game Informer that shows in-depth independnent sigcov. -- ferret (talk) 18:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete It currently fails WP:NCORP. I looked at the first block of references in detail and quickly looked at the second block. The first block is mostly made up of profiles with no byline, routine business news, PR and interviews with leading folk in the company, none of which passes WP:SIRS or WP:ORGIND. The second block is just equally as bad. It is completely non-notable. Possible small merge to main article, a sentence or two at most as they're is nothing to support anything bigger. scope_creep^Talk 09:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Airbiquity

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All sources for this company are WP:ROUTINE coverage. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Lean keep very difficult to find under all the regurgitated press releases but the Seattle Post-Intelligencer has done a couple of more substantial pieces on the company,^[1][2] which looks to have been more prominent in the 2000s. (I don't think the articles are still available online – if anyone would like me to email the full text to review, let me know). I'm not yet fully convinced of notability – we would want to see decent coverage from more than one source – but the situation is not quite as bad as it looks. – Teratix ₵ 06:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. I opened all of the refs, they are routine press releases, 404, tangential and such. Nothing to establish notability. A 1997 startup that had 50-100 employess before being bought up recently and has now disappeared. Desertarun (talk) 19:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Did you look for sources that weren't in the article? – Teratix ₵ 04:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seekda

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No independent reliable sources about this niche software company in the article, and I am seeing nothing in a search that is not promotional. BD2412 T 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails GNG obviously. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 02:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Bin, Xu; Sen, Luo; Sun, Kewu (2012). "Towards Multimodal Query in Web Service Search". 2012 IEEE 19th International Conference on Web Services. Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. doi:10.1109/ICWS.2012.42. ISBN 978-1-4673-2131-0.

     The article note: "To the best of our knowledge, Seekda is the most comprehensive search engine for Web Service nowadays. However, Seekda only provides keyword search, which makes its search quality far from satisfactory. For example, assume that a developer wants to search a Web service with the function of sending email. If he types “send email” in Seekda, the first matched Web service is a Short Message Service (SMS). If he inputs “email” in Seekda, the first Web service is for email validation."

     The article notes: "Seekda is currently the most comprehensive global search engine for Web services. However, Seekda only offers keyword search which leads to low accuracy. Because keyword search could not capture the users’ search need well."

  2. Fensel, Dieter; Facca, Federico Michele; Simperl, Elena; Toma, Ioan (2011). "Seekda: The Business Point of View". Semantic Web Services. Heidelberg: Springer Berlin. doi:10.1007/978-3-642-19193-0_14. ISBN 978-3-642-19192-3.

     The book notes: "The mission of seekda is to ease the search, interoperability and bundling of services and thus achieve a true Web of services. seekda provides a dedicated Web services search engine, featuring monitoring and invocation facilities. ... The crawler developed at seekda detects services over the Web and classifies them in an internal ontology that is maintained by seekda. Discovered services can then be annotated with semantic descriptions. The aim is to detect as many public services as possible. To achieve this goal, the crawler is focused on both WSDLbased and RESTful services. The search is not just restricted to pure technical service descriptions but also encompasses information surrounding the service, for example, HTML documents that talk about the services. This information will help in a two-fold way: to discover the actual service (and to automatically classify it) and to further annotate the service (given that the extra information about the service is available). The semantic information is then used by the front-end search engine that seekda also develops and provides to users (more in Sect. 14.2.2)."

  3. Mirmotalebi, Rozita; Ding, Chen; Chi, Chi-Hung (2012). "Modeling User's Non-functional Preferences for Personalized Service Ranking". Lecture Notes in Computer Science. 7636. Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg. doi:10.1007/978-3-642-34321-6_24. ISBN 978-3-642-34320-9.

     The article notes: "Seekda is a publicly available web service search engine. It contains a good number of web services published online. It also maintains useful information of each service, such as its origin country, the provider information, a link to its WSDL file, tags, its availability, a chart of its response time in the past, a user rating, its level of documentation, etc. For most of the non-functional properties we consider in our system, we could find their values from either Seekda or the original hosting sites, except the provider popularity, the service popularity and the service cost. In the experiment, we excluded them from the similarity calculation. ... There were 7739 providers and 28606 services stored in Seekda (as of August 2, 2011). ... After removing the services with expired URLs, we finally got 1208 services from 537 providers, and each provider contains at least one service. Since Seekda started crawling and monitoring web services from 2006, the oldest service in our dataset was published in 2006."

  4. Li, Deyi; Zhang, Haisu; Liu, Yuchao; Chen, Guishen (2010). "On Foundations of Services Interoperation in Cloud Computing". Lecture Notes in Computer Science. Springer-Verlag Berlin Heidelberg: 9. doi:10.1007/978-3-642-14553-7_3. ISBN 978-3-642-14552-0.

     The article notes: "Seekda’s Web Services portal provides a search platform for public direct access to web services, which can enable users to find web services based on a catalogue of more than 28,000 service descriptions. Services listed at seekda cover a wide range of functionality in map, weather, sports, shopping and entertainment etc., and can be integrated into more capacious services. At present seekda verifies if a service is up once a day, and reports a measurement of availability by means of the frequency whether the server correctly implements the SOAP protocol daily. "

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Seekda to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 07:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I am not convinced that this set of mentions meets WP:NCORP. BD2412 T 12:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Despite Cunard's review of sources, this is a company and therefore needs to meet WP:NCORP. References showing notability must adhere to WP:ORGCRIT and nothing I can find does so. Even GNews only has 3 hits and GSearch shows nothing more than the typical press release, blogs, and CrunchBase type references. If the company was worthy of notice, we would see significant press coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Significant coverage need not come from the press – academic sources are a perfectly legitimate means of establishing notability. – Teratix ₵ 11:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Analysis of the first two sources:
  1. Bin, Sen & Sun 2012 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFBinSenSun2012 (help)'s abstract says, "Compared with the alternative system Seekda, it is able to obtain much higher search accuracy with keyword query (with a match rate of 2-4 times higher than that of Seekda). The custom search can achieve 100% top-3 match rate, while Seekda fails in most cases using keywords." That a conference paper for IEEE did research on Seekda strongly contributes to notability. The word "Seekda" is used 20 times in the paper.
  2. Fensel et al. 2011 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFFenselFaccaSimperlToma2011 (help) has a chapter titled "Seekda: The Business Point of View". The chapter's abstract says, "Industry is slowly picking up on the use of semantic technologies within their systems. In this chapter, we describe how these technologies are employed by seekda, a company focused on Web services." That there is an entire chapter about Seekda in a Springer Berlin book strongly establishes notability. Seekda is mentioned 38 times in the chapter.
  It is inaccurate to call these sources merely a "set of mentions". These sources meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Significant coverage as they provide very detailed coverage about Seekda. These sources meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Independent sources because they are functionally independent and intellectually independent. These sources meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Audience because they are international publications covering this Austrian company. Cunard (talk) 06:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think by your own analysis of the first source it is a mention. The paper is not about Seekda. "Compared with the alternative system......" indicates it is simply being compared to the main topic of the paper and not about Seekda itself. And the fact the name is used 20 times also has no bearing. Curious if you were able to access the entire paper or just the abstract? --CNMall41 (talk) 07:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have full access to all of the sources I listed here. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria says:

A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.

These criteria, generally, follow the general notability guideline with a stronger emphasis on quality of the sources to prevent gaming of the rules by marketing and public relations professionals.

Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline says:

"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

There is no requirement for Seekda to be "the main topic of the source material". Covering "the topic directly and in detail" (which these sources do) is sufficient to meet the notability guideline.

Cunard (talk) 09:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would have been helpful to note when first presenting the sources that the discussion of the subject went beyond the content quoted. I am more on the fence with that information. It would also be nice to see some of this added to the article. BD2412 T 13:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BD2412 (talk · contribs), I usually do not note that because the full text is usually available to all editors. The full text is not available to all editors for any of these sources, so I will take that feedback into consideration for these kinds of sources. I am hesitant to rewrite an article at AfD as it would be a time waste if the article was still deleted. I've rewritten the article here, however, in the hope that it demonstrates the subject is notable and moves you off the fence in supporting retention. Cunard (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Greenish Pickle!: What do you think? BD2412 T 15:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Here are two additional sources about the subject:
  1. Simperl, Elena; Cuel, Roberta; Stein, Martin (2013). "Case Study: Building a Community of Practice Around Web Service Management and Annotation". Incentive-Centric Semantic Web Application Engineering. Cham: Springer. doi:10.1007/978-3-031-79441-4_4. ISBN 978-3-031-79440-7.

     The book notes: "In this scenario, seekda’s mission is to facilitate on-demand use of services over the Web. As a first step seekda is operating a search engine providing access to publicly available Web APIs. Seekda will simplify purchases across different providers and unify the use of services in bundles. Therefore, the emerging seekda portal can be a good candidate for such an independent Web API marketplace aiming to simplify purchases and transactions across different providers and to unify the usage of services regardless of their origin.

     "... Seekda’s products aim at creating a more transparent and accessible Web API market. The company has developed automatic means to identify Web APIs (on the World Wide Web) and has devised algorithms to enable users to find appropriate APIs for a given task efficiently. By pre-filtering the Web content and indexing Web API specific features, seekda manages the largest set of Web APIs known and make comparison easier through a unified presentation.

     "As depicted in 4.1, the seekda marketplace will facilitate the trade of Web API usage in a one-stop-shopping manner—dramatically reducing procurement costs. The current market is mostly based on atomic service offerings, when completely integrated solutions are clearly needed. Seekda will address this demand by facilitating the creation of service bundles. Interoperability issues between different providers will be handled by the marketplace, which allows for a seamless switching between providers and thus reduces integration costs for the customers of seekda."

  2. Petrie, Charles (2009-11-06). "Practical Web Services". IEEE Internet Computing. Vol. 13, no. 6. doi:10.1109/MIC.2009.135.

     The article notes: "To be really useful, an open Web service would be able to be discovered easily by some easy-to-use search engine, perhaps Seekda (http://seekda.com). Now, this is potentially a good tool. Try, for example, searching for “hotel reservation.” You get a list of WSDL services. Click on one and you get the list of operations of the service. Click on one of those, and it asks you to fill in the strings that will compose the message and be sent to the service. This is almost practical. Except you don’t have a clue what you’re being asked to enter. Click, for example, on the “ReservationsService,” which is one of the services returned in the search. Oh, wait, there’s no description yet. Well, just pick the first one in the results list. Its description is “seems to be an internal service.” And if you click on the “Use Now” link, you have no idea what the operations do, individually or together. If you click on one of them, you’re asked to enter strings that correspond to fields that clearly want you to enter some secret codes. Even the previous “ReservationService” has operations with names like “GetRGInfo” with a single message field called “nRGID.” Seekda is possibly the best product of this kind out there. But you see the problem, don’t you?"

  Cunard (talk) 09:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you are saying, but I still do not agree. You are pointing to GNG for some of your contention and NCORP for others. Under GNG, "There is no requirement for Seekda to be "the main topic of the source material". Covering "the topic directly and in detail" (which these sources do) is sufficient to meet the notability guideline." However, under NCORP, there IS a requirement. It is spelled out in WP:ORGCRIT and unfortunately I do not see these meeting that criteria. It likely had a great product for a brief period of time but "presumed" notable and actual notable are not the same. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#How to apply the criteria says:

Individual sources must be evaluated separately and independently of each other and meet the four criteria below to determine if a source qualifies towards establishing notability:

1. Contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth.
2. Be completely independent of the article subject.
3. Meet the standard for being a reliable source.
4. Be a secondary source; primary and tertiary sources do not count towards establishing notability.

These sources "addres[s] the subject of the article directly and in depth". The guideline does not say Seekda must be "the main topic of the source material".

Cunard (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am very family with what the guideline says. I feel your definition of what constitutes WP:CORPDEPTH is not consistent with how others apply it. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41: You said:

Under GNG, "There is no requirement for Seekda to be "the main topic of the source material". [...] However, under NCORP, there IS a requirement. It is spelled out in WP:ORGCRIT

I am not seeing anything in ORGCRIT, or NCORP more broadly, that requires a prospective source to cover a company as "the main topic of the source material", as opposed to "directly and in depth". Please point me to the specific text you believe sets this requirement. – Teratix ₵ 11:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bad choice of words on my part. I will admit that as it does not literally say that. I am going off what it says here "Sources that describe only a specific topic related to an organization should not be regarded as providing significant coverage of that organization. Therefore, for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO, but not a significant coverage on the company (unless the article or biography devotes significant attention to the company itself)" - I take that (and it has been fairly consistent in NCORP AfD discussions) to mean the company must be the main topic.--CNMall41 (talk) 22:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But your own quotation specifies an exception if the article or biography devotes significant attention to the company itself – NCORP, far from requiring something must be "the main topic" of the article in question, explicitly notes the opposite: an article with a different main topic still demonstrates notability if it devotes "significant attention" to the topic under scrutiny. – Teratix ₵ 04:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I rewrote the article. Cunard (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: The article is very well-written and makes the best possible use of what sources there are. But the only real source is the book in the Bibliography. The sources Cunard provided are not about the company at all; they're just using a Seekda product as an example in studies of computing problems. This would be like having the article on General Motors sourced mostly to the Consumer Reports reviews of the Chevy Bolt. It isn't in-depth coverage of the company, so WP:NCORP is failed. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 14:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This would be like having the article on General Motors sourced mostly to the Consumer Reports reviews of the Chevy Bolt. Sure, but in this scenario the reviews would demonstrate the Chevy Bolt is notable, no? Wouldn't this suggest the article needs to be rewritten to be about the Chevy Bolt rather than deleted altogether? – Teratix ₵ 11:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, just need to tweak the lead to focus on "Seekda" the search engine service, rather than "Seekda" the company. The sources Cunard provides convincingly demonstrate notability. – Teratix ₵ 11:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is assuming the software is notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's been more than adequately demonstrated by the sources. – Teratix ₵ 04:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kiolbassa Sausage

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No evidence of notability. One source was added in response to my PROD, but both it's reliablilty and the independence of its content are dubious. Previously deleted and salted as Kiolbassa * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:40, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I'm landing on a weak Keep. I've added a bit, checked the refs, searched for more; there's a biz journals article that looks like it might be sigcov that I can't get to, added that into a Further reading section in case someone else can. It's got two instance of coverage by Forbes former staff, which is a bit hard to assess, and obviously it would be better if it were two different non-local sources. Lots of local coverage, and coverage in an industry mag. I guess what puts me kind of over the top toward keep is the fact it's been in business independently for 75 years, which for a food business of this type is practically a claim to notability all by itself. Valereee (talk) 21:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Valereee the San Antonio Business Journal article is sub-titled "Kiolbassa CEO talks growth opportunities, company culture and legacy" and is largely what they say about themselves. S0091 (talk) 19:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah, I saw that subtitle, but headlines can be so misleading, thanks for clarifying. It's a cusp article, I'd say. 1949 and still a family business, and of this size...that's unusual. I dunno. I will, however, definitely be having my husband look for it next time he's at the grocery. :D Valereee (talk) 21:25, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aquarius Musikindo

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Nothing notable, nor relevant per GNG. No SIGCOV. The author is blocked for evading the block Gavrover (talk) 20:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment if we can verify the article's claim that it is the second largest record label in Indonesia, it's definitely worthy of inclusion. Chubbles (talk) 14:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep It's definitely the second-biggest.[19][20][21][22] WC gudang inspirasi (talk) 04:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. One source on one page of a book is the definition of failing WP:SIGCOV. Bearian (talk) 01:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Credibly (company)

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I guess this has been recreated—wasn't quite sure what had happened here initially, but as I was planning on commenting on the previous AFD I guess I may as well nom it. I couldn't find anything useful in my own search. Editing history of the creator also seems a bit odd but I'm not too familiar with that kind of thing. Alpha3031 (t • c) 16:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per my rationale at the previous AFD. The only indepth sourcing is not from reliable sources. ~ A412 ^talk! 20:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Created the article as good faith. I believe the subject passes GNG on the basis of independent references. JSS24 (talk) 17:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Good faith is irrelevant. To a first approximation all articles, no matter how lacking in notability they may be, are created in good faith. Athel cb (talk) 09:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Probably not all articles, heh. It's possible the range p-block on the IP is just collateral though. I mean, I wouldn't bet money on it but it's possible. Alpha3031 (t • c) 17:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Evidences are available to prove subject's Notability Guidelines. And passes GNG. 2409:40D0:10CE:A5F:1C4F:A30E:B72D:E5DA (talk) 05:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "This user is currently blocked." What more is there to say? Delete. Athel cb (talk) 09:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This is a company therefore references need to meet GNG/WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability. Nothing I can find meets the criteria, mostly just PR and company announcements and profiles, all generated either by the company or regurgitating company provided/generated information, nothing that meets WP:CORPDEPTH/WP:ORGIND. HighKing⁺⁺ 09:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Lack of significant coverage from reliable sources other than routine coverage. Air on White (talk) 07:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Song Haus Music

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This article on a USA-based record label, created in 2010, is unreferenced. Per WP:Before no sigcov found including in searches in both the wikipedia library and standard search engine, except a passing mention in Billboard ([23]). Subject fails to meet notability guidelines. As there aren't guidelines in place for record labels - I expect WP:NORG applies. ResonantDis_tortion 16:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment This company shares a warehouse with two other record labels: Metallic Blue Records and Rewind Records. [24] StonyBrook _babble 22:12, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Panasonic Connect

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Deprod by @MSMST1543:. There are lots of press releases available, with announcements similar to what's already cited, but nothing in-depth about the company itself. I do not believe this article would be able to meet WP:NCORP. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Plenty of sources: [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32]. Easily passes GNG. DCsansei (talk) 11:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  DCsansei, both for GNG and NCORP, trivial coverage (e.g. WP:ORGTRIV) are not counted towards meeting the requirements? Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete None of the sources seem to be in-depth and independent, just interviews and press releases. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Only the financial figures are from press releases, all other citations are from independent media outlets. Bridges&Horizons (talk) 06:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gates and Partners

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Unclear that notability has been established. Beland (talk) 04:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. All the available coverage falls well within WP:ORGTRIV. I was not able to find anything more substantial. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Juest wanted to note, I'm alright with redirect, though I'm not so sure the other company is notable either. Don't really think there's anything to merge. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect into Kennedys Law into which Gates was dissolved. Why wasn't this suggested upfront? gidonb (talk) 13:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge with Kennedys Law: Trivia PR coverage doesn't meet WP:NCORP, appropriate to merge to parent company even though sources in Kennedys Law aren't really independent Robertjamal12 ~🔔 09:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep this article there are many articles about it being purchased by Kennedys and its cases prior to the purchase [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39]. Also covered in multiple legal books including the European Legal 500 until its merger and Chambers UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfloving (talk • contribs) 12:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vecteezy

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I'm surprised that User:Jamiebuba approved this page because this company has a long and torrid history of COI and uploading promotional pages to Wikipedia and this page seems no different to what has gone before. Sure, we've got Entrepreneur Magazine which might have been published independently of the subject but there are a lot of sources that don't count as RS like press releases, local newspapers and the dreaded TechCrunch the least independent source in the history of business journalism. I think it's safe to say that this one-man band, run of the mill, stock image supplier fails WP:NCORP and is hardly notable so fails WP:GNG. I am interested to see what crawls out of the woodwork in the ensuing discussion, though.Dafydd y Corach (talk) 08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]