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Mustafa Haji Ismail Harun

Mustafa Haji Ismail Harun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This article is hard to understand. What it looks like, though, is a puff piece. WP:PEACOCK concerns are always fixable, but the real concern here is WP:RS. Can RS be located with community input? What I can state for certain, is that no person named Mustafe Ismail or Mustafe Haji is known in Norway in the slightest, yielding 0 hits in the nation's comprehensive media archive. On the other hands, there are considerable problems of how his name should be translated, and the article has already been through a disputed move. Unless the community has fruitful input, my opinion is that it's too indiscernable what makes him pass WP:GNG with WP:RS. Geschichte (talk) 14:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep: This article meets WP:PSTS secondary source BBC News Somali, [1] — YT of Sheikh Shibli; [2] QalasQalas (talk) 17:01, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• A single reliable source is not enough. Youtube is irrelevant. Geschichte (talk) 20:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  These WP:SECONDARY and WP:TERTIARY; Horseed Media, Hiiraan Online, MENAFN, and Sahafi Newspaper, may strengthen and reinforce the WP:RS, increasingly overall reliability of the WP:Article.

  • Horseed Media.[3]
  • Hiiraan Online.[4]
  • MENAFN.[5][6]
  • Sahafi Newspaper.[7]

  QalasQalas (talk) 05:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• I'm not swayed in the slightest. One of the sources is a letter to the subject. Another is a "newspaper" hosted by Wordpress. We need some non-involved eyes on this, which I hope the closer/relister agrees on. Geschichte (talk) 10:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep Covered by BBC and other highly regarded news outlets. Also quite well known in the Somali-Norwegian community. Batmanthe8th (talk) 19:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Can you demonstrate that he is well known in the Somali-Norwegian community? BBC does not cover this claim, and a person by that name is demonstrably utterly unknown in general Norwegian society. And what is he known for? This is wholly incomprehensible from the article. Something about wisdom. Wisdom in which outlets, forums or publications? Which independent sources have assessed these publications? Geschichte (talk) 20:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: So widely known, there is no coverage about him? The BBC article seems to be all there is. I don't see anything else. Oaktree b (talk) 13:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Horseed Media is a RS per the CiteHighlighter (green), but it's a small article. Oaktree b (talk) 13:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete - promotional PR sheet - no RS support for wp:n. Llajwa (talk) 21:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Muhammad Azeem Barkhiya

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No information available in the third party sources, the 2 references given are written by Shamsuddin Azeemi, his disciple in sufism. I searched in Urdu, Hindi also but it seems to be non-notable religious figure. — Quadrimobile(T · C 21:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete per nom does not have third party sources to meet GNG.Tame Rhino (talk) 13:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment. I've looked through some old revisions, and there are a good number of links in them that might be worth evaluating for reliability/independence. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 22:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep, passes WP:NBASIC. I've found two reliable English language sources and one Urdu language source, which I've added to the article. The subject has a substantial article on the Urdu Wikipedia [8]. The subject also seems to also get regular coverage in the Urdu Digest, but it needs a native speaker to review this. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 14:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Ghulam Mustafa Burdwani

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Historical scholarship does not document our subject except once with the rest of the sources being verbatim quotations. Fails WP:N with no significant level of coverage. Article contains a lot of Original Research. Jaunpurzada (talk) 14:51, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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.Delete. Doesn't meet WP:GNG. RomanRaju (talk) 10:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete per nom does not meet GNG.Tame Rhino (talk) 01:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep He is very old Muslim Scholar, whose names are recorded in the old books of Urdu. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 15:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Sani Umar Rijiyar Lemo

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I have TNTed the biography to remove material that didn't belong such as a list of books he's read, people who have taught him and student he has taught.

The original draft is a translation from https://www.alummarhausa.com.ng/2020/07/tarihin-sheik-dr-muhammad-sani-umar-rijiyar-lemu.html

The sources do not seem reliable and talk about him in a promotional manner.

My before search was difficult, but I didn't find anything that stood out as the kind of coverage that would meet WP:GNG or WP:NPROF. I can't tell whether his writings might make him notable.

I'd welcome input from people with expertise in Islamic studies. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Speedy keep Keep — Recipients of the Order of the Niger meet WP:ANYBIO#1. The subject of this article received the award. Shoerack (talk) 17:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I had considered that, but like any country's honours, there are different levels, with the lower levels being awarded to hundreds of people a year and many thousands over the years, so not sufficient in itself for every awardee to warrant an article about them on Wikipedia. In any event, WP:ANYBIO does not automatically confer notability. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have no idea where or how you have considered the award, as it seems clear that you did not consider that in your nomination statement. That said, a WP:BEFORE shows that the subject is a recipeint of Order of the Niger. Orders awarded by a sovereign state are considered notable enough to meet WP:ANYBIO. The Order of the Niger is Nigeria's equivalent of the Awards and decorations of the United States government,and the Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom, and these are generally sufficient to pass WP:ANYBIO.Shoerack (talk) 18:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can you provide sources that talk about the individual? The award is likely notable, but we need things about the person, not reports of what he's said about things. Oaktree b (talk) 15:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Shoerack: At the point of nomination, I had been unable to verify that he had received the award, as what appeared to be the definitive list didn't include him. See my edit summary when I tagged it as citation needed. I have reviewed plenty bios where the recipient had for example received an MBE in the UK, but as there are over 100,000 such award holders, it isn't sufficiently selective to be a guaranteed route to notablity, even if it is an indicator. More secondary coverage was required, per Oaktree, though I note the article's author Gwanki added some directly after my nomination, which I've not yet looked at in depth. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notability is not about sources present in an article. Asserting that sources aren't there at the time of nomination isn't sufficient ground for nomination for deletion. There has to be a reasonable search which would, in this case, include sources in Hausa language. That said, OON is one of Nigeria's highest awards, and that is sufficient for the subject to meet WP:ANYBIO#1. If a subject meets WP:ANYBIO, it does not have to meet WP:GNG. Shoerack (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, I understand the importance of a before search, and did one, as noted in my nomination rationale.

Your assertion that "Orders awarded by a sovereign state are considered notable enough to meet WP:ANYBIO" are not supported by experience - see the following random examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

By the way, your Speedy keep !vote doesn't appear to meet any of the WP:SPEEDYKEEP criteria. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. This is helpful. I believe the award combined with the BBC source and other sources in Hausa are sufficient to establish notability. I have changed my WP:SPEEDYKEEP to "keep." It would have been "strong keep," but your argument is plausible. Shoerack (talk) 18:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: The award implies notability, but without coverage, there is no article... This is typical [9], he speaks to the press about xyz subject as an expert. I'm not seeing much ABOUT him as a person. Oaktree b (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That you do not understand the contents of non-English sources does not make a subject not notable. Shoerack (talk) 16:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I tried in French language African press sources, they also don't mention him. There is more French in Africa then English, and still nothing about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 21:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hausa is a language spoken in Nigeria, and it has nothing to do with the French language. Shoerack (talk) 09:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't speak Hausa, so I can only access En and Fr African media. Oaktree b (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You should not express strong opinions or evaluate sources in languages you neither speak nor understand. Shoerack (talk) 10:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, I can only evaluate what's presented to me, and I don't see much here. Oaktree b (talk) 16:09, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nobody presented anything to you. Rather, you choose to evaluate sources in languages you neither speak nor understand. Shoerack (talk) 11:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

None of which seem notable to me. that's the issue. Oaktree b (talk) 01:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could you effectively evaluate sources in a language you do not understand? Shoerack (talk) 14:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

•  Comment: Pinging a native speaker of Hausa language, Ammarpad, to help evaluate the sources. Regards. Shoerack (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I checked the current sources in the article and majority look valid to me. I will support keep. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:44, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep: The subject pass WP:ANYBIO by virtue of receiving a Notable award, and covered by secondary independent sources such as BBC Hausa, Legit and Aminiya of Daily Trust. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hackesan (talk • contribs) 16:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• I haven't looked for sources, so the subject may or may not pass the general notability guideline. I would however point out that he has the grade of officer in the Order of the Niger which, if our article on the order is to be believed, is equivalent to an OBE in the United Kingdom. That has never been held to be enough for WP:ANYBIO. A subject must be at least a CBE (commander) to qualify. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep: per earlier submission — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hackesan (talk • contribs) 22:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not a !vote. There is no point in voting "keep" twice. Please remember to always sign your comment with the four tides ( ~~~~ ) Shoerack (talk) 11:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Usman Bengali

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Historical scholarship barely documents our subject. Fails WP:N with no significant level of coverage. The article was initially deleted after an AfD request by @TrangaBellam: and the article creator was involved in WP:Canvassing which is classified as disruptive behaviour according to the Wikipedia guidelines. This article should be deleted. Jaunpurzada (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Link to previous AfD: [10].-- asilvering (talk) 23:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete per nom and previous AFD fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Jana Amin

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Failure of WP:BLP and WP:N. Sources are not independent, half are related to her entrepreneur mother, whose biography itself is not notable.

Source evaluation:

• el Kaliouby, Rana; Coleman, Carol (2000). Girl Decoded. Penguin Random House.

Book from her mother.

• "Changing the narrative around Muslim Women and supporting girl's education with Jana Amin, Egyptian-American Advocate (#16)"

Podcast involving her.

• Changing the narrative, one Muslim woman at a time | Jana Amin | TEDxYouth@BeaconStreet

TEDx involving her.

• "Affectiva Co-Founder Rana el Kaliouby on How She Built a Tech Startup as a Single Mom 5,000 Miles From Home"

Interview of her mother.

• "Rana el Kaliouby decodes her memoir "Girl Decoded""

Book about her mother.

• "UNGA 2020: 'I began my activist journey by telling the story of Muslim women I knew'"

Interview with her about her TEDx.

• Amin, Jana (17 December 2019), Changing the narrative, one Muslim woman at a time, retrieved 2021-03-25

Her TEDx talk.

• https://egyptianstreets.com/2020/11/27/i-want-us-to-imagine-if-every-girl-in-egypt-was-educated-meet-activist-jana-amin-advocating-for-women-and-girls/

It is very likely self-published (https://egyptianstreets.com/submit-an-article/). Also, see an excerpt of the article:

Amin is not just an inspiring women’s rights activist of our time, but also a young woman of action whose life is centered on learning, commitment and determination, and passionately works to ensure that visions, policies and even academia are turned into real tangible solutions..

• "Protecting progress for girls' education — Assembly | Malala Fund"

Blog post by her.

• Hung, Madeleine A.; Kim, Joyce E. (September 15, 2023). "Harvard Students Launch Fundraisers for Morocco Earthquake Relief".

One namedrop of her. Local college newspaper.

Given this and the overall interconnection between promotional pages, I think a WP:TNT delete is needed. बिनोद थारू (talk) 23:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Pretty sure I remember this article having an AfD filed against it before, but I can't seem to find it now. If I didn't dream it, it might be worth checking what arguments were in that. 92.19.111.41 (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  A PROD has been filed before, and the revert reason were the National and Egyptian Streets sources. [11] I included both in my evaluation above. बिनोद थारू (talk) 00:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete. I have looked at the sources, and I substantially agree with the assessment that बिनोद थारू has given. There are citations to pages that don't even mention Jana Amin, pages that barely mention her in passing, and pages that are either certainly or probably not independent of her. There is no evidence at all of satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines. JBW (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep because The National (Abu Dhabi) is a reputable newspaper and being prominently interviewed in it should be enough to establish WP:N, especially when also backed by Egyptian Streets which is a large blog in Egypt, plus being allowed to write for the Malala Fund and speak at TEDx: OK so not every TEDx speaker automatically has WP:N but a TEDx speaker who's also been in some country's major daily newspaper and another country's major blog is more likely to be. I agree that the article should be improved (we could cite the Borgen Project magazine article instead of just the front of the Collateral Repair Project for a start, although we'd first need to check why Wikipedia is blacklisting Borgen Project URLs, I wonder if this is an error). But I don't see the need to WP:TNT this article. (Potential Wikipedia:CONFLICT disclosure: her mother and I were in the same lab as PhD students. I think the points I made are still valid; a second opinion to check this would be nice) Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 22:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Add sources to further establish notability: NowThis News - How Nawal El Saadawi Shook Up the Patriarchy in Egypt featured Jana; also the Italian version of Elle (magazine) ran an article on her; also Marie Claire Arabia (which does not currently have a Wikipedia article, but has been cited several times by various Wikipedia articles so appears to be a recognised source) had an Arabic article featuring her. Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 14:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. As others have said, the sources are about others and only mention the subject, no direct and indepth coverage, or are promo or listings. Ping me if SIGCOV is found.  // Timothy :: talk  14:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 11#Category:New Christians (conversos), proposed renaming of Category:New Christians (conversos) to either: ALT1 Category:New Christians (conversos) to Category:New Christians (moriscos and conversos) or ALT2 Category:New Christians (conversos) to Category:New Christians (Iberia)