Why can't we have a stub type with only a small number stubs?[edit]

It's true that Wikipedia is not paper, and as such, it's perfectly acceptable for categories for use by readers to be of any size. However, stub categories are not for use by readers, they are for use by editors, who have different requirements. One of those requirements is that they can browse categories of a size that is neither too big to easily hunt down articles nor so small as to necessitate looking through dozens of categories. Categories of between 60 and 800 stubs are an optimum size for this. Anything bigger, and the task becomes too daunting. Anything smaller, and there is serious risk of an editor needing to look in a number of categories while working on a similar subject, and also a danger of a category being repeatedly deleted and re-created as it is emptied and new stubs are made.

A smaller threshold for stub category creation would also lead to a likely proliferation of stub categories, increasing the workload of stub-sorters, who already have to monitor and transfer stubs into several thousand stub categories. Given the number of permcats that have 60 or more articles as a proportion of the total number of permanent categories, the number of stub categories would be likely to blow out into the tens of thousands very rapidly.

Note that the thresholds apply even where it seems likely that a stub category would eventually have the required number of stubs. A possibility or likelihood of there eventually being a certain number of stubs is no guarantee that such stubs will eventually exist – the articles may never be made, or may be made fully-formed at beyond stub size. For this reason stub categories are always created based on the number of currently existing stubs.

Why do we have to propose stub types?[edit]

Briefly, though it's not a policy, it is a strong recommendation, since it allows the people who work with stubs the most to know what types are likely to be created and to double-check there aren't any problems with them before they are made (it's far easier to make stub types right the first time than try to fix them afterwards!)

Given the enormous number of stub types which exist on Wikipedia, it's also useful for stub types to be arranged as logically as possible so that the types and names of them are clear to those who regularly sort stubs. This includes things like naming stub templates unambiguously and according to a standard naming scheme, making sure that stub category names are as analogous as possible to existing permanent category names, and trying to ensure that stub types are not split in such a way that we end up with a small number of stubs that would require an "everything else" category (see the comments on splitting geography stubs in the next section).

The only way to keep some form of control over this process is to ask for proposals prior to creation. This allows people the opportunity to vet the stub types for any possible problems that may emerge, and to suggest alternatives that might more effectively cover the same ground while being more in keeping with existing stub splits. It also allows for the possibility of contacting any subject-specific WikiProjects to gain input from experts in the particular fields covered by the stubs if there is some doubt as to the best way to split them.

It may seem overly-bureaucratic to do this, but the reasons should be clear – it is the best way to get stub types right from the outset, and it is also the only way to try to keep any control of the available stub types. Without that control, the job of stub-sorting becomes next to impossible.

Why are stubs not split on this subject axis?[edit]

Sometimes, an editor will suggest splitting a group of stubs into subdivisions in a way that is generally not supported by WikiProject Stub sorting. Though the lack of support for what, initially, seems a sensible split is often surprising to the proposer – especially when that proposer is doing so on behalf of a WikiProject – there are usually very good reasons for not splitting stubs in this particular way. Often this is because of the overall inclusiveness of stub-sorting, i.e., it needs to be able to successfully cover the entirety of Wikipedia, and often this will be at odds with the wishes of one specific WikiProject. The following are some examples of splits which are unlikely to gain much support, even though on the face of it, they appear sensible:

In each of these cases, talk page assessment templates are a more sensible way to go; if there is sufficient interest in editing articles on a specific subject not covered by the Wikipedia-wide stub system, then it is likely that a WikiProject or Taskforce will exist to cover that subject. Using a talk-page banner will allow that project to assess and sort all the articles relating to that subject, stubs and non-stubs both. Thus, for instance, WikiProjects or Taskforces on Manchester United, people from Alabama, Celts, the Sparta, Abkhazia, and glaciers could each group their articles using talk-page banner templates to respectively avoid one of the guidelines above. In doing so, they remove any need to rely on specific stub templates for their area of interest.

Is there an alternative to stub types that can be used by my WikiProject?[edit]

As mentioned above, and explained at Wikipedia:Stub and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Article tagging, Assessment templates are often a far more useful tool for WikiProjects than stub templates, and don't have the limitations of specific subject requirements or threshold limits. Assessment templates are placed on article talk pages, where they are less likely to be seen as controversial (the placing of stub templates on controversial articles has frequently been a source of edit-warring). They allow all articles within a topic area to be assessed and catalogued by a project, not just stub articles. They allow an indication to be made of exactly what work needs to be done on an article. They also allow workgroups that are subgroups of WikiProjects to have their own specific templates that are better suited to their tasks.

Assessment templates are often used in parallel with stub templates - one for use by a specific WikiProject and monitored by that project, the other for use by Wikipedia editors overall and monitored by Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting. This means that occasionally an article will be regarded as a stub by one project's standards but not by the other, though this should cause no great concern to either. The important thing in these cases – and in every case where either template is used – is that some form of assessment has been made which can be used by both editors interested in a specific field and general editors overall, and each can find the article more readily if it needs expansion.