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I feel like a lot of the requests that get contested fall into some extremely common PCM scenarios that are not detailed anywhere and are overall not intuitive to people unfamiliar with page move processes (a lot of RMTR requestors fall into this). The most common reasons for contests that I've seen after about a year of watching and processing requests are COMMONNAME over official name, company name changes and primary topic grabs. I feel like it would be worth throwing in PCM at least just those two because of how common they are. Wider input would be appreciated. Sennecaster (Chat) 01:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a good idea to me! I wonder if it would also be useful to have an essay that catalogues common types of requests, and the policy questions that are likely to come into play for them, in more detail than would be feasible in WP:PCM itself. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Enough is enough. The backlog is never-ending, especially with the NCROY-related discussions. Requesting for permission to close all outstanding discussions at the whims and fancy of the closers with no recourse at WP:MRV.^{[April Fools!]} – robertsky (talk) 08:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only if you get a coin-flip AI to determine the outcome and write the close. Primefac (talk) 09:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the result is...

no consensus?

– Hilst [talk] 12:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Challengers Bangalore needs closing; the discussion is a convincing support that is over 7 days old. It is a high volume page and has been move protected. The tournament they play in is happening right now, and its going to be odd for those readers to find the team with the wrong name. Desertarun (talk) 08:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Desertarun: You can request a closure at WP:CR, but the request should be neutral. SilverLocust 💬 21:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also suggest to be aware that requested move discussions sometimes take a while – especially when there are significant differences of opinion and policy/guideline issues, as in the situation with that one. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that WP:RMCD now lists a number of implied moves, as in "Fubar → Fubar (disambiguation) over redirect without leaving a redirect (implied), then WP:G14 delete if unnecessary". I see three problems with the way this is working:

• No move notice is getting put at the top of the "Fubar" page.
• Even though these are listed at WP:RMCD, they do not appear on the Talk page where the discussion is happening, thus lowering awareness of part of what is being suggested.
• It's a little dangerous to assume the nominator knows they are suggesting the implied move. Often, inexperienced editors just think "Everybody calls him Bill Smith, not William G. Smith, so I'll just suggest renaming the article to Bill Smith," without realizing there's a problem with that idea.

—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since WP:RMCD is a page generated by RMCD bot, needless to say this was added by the bot's operator, @Wbm1058. He added that to the bot's listings after Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 23#Deleted to make way for page move. (While his new method for handling these doesn't add an RM banner to the disambiguation page or show the implied move within the RM, the bot does add a notice in a new section on the disambiguation page's talk page.)

Before November, these RMs were being manually amended (example 1, 2) to explicitly state a destination for both pages (most frequently by @Paine Ellsworth; also by me and others) so that (1) both pages would have an RM banner and (2) it would be clear (for those who don't have color-coded dablinks enabled) that the proposed title is currently a disambiguation page.

I preferred to complete the requests just by indicating a second move to add "(disambiguation)" to the dabpage's title, but some users objected to that when moving the disambiguation page would make it unnecessary (WP:ONEOTHER), and instead wanted it to be stated as "→ Deleted to make way for page move" or similar.

(As Wbm1058 noted, the dabpage should still be moved even if it would then be deleted, and it's unnecessary for the RM to discuss deleting the dabpage, which can be handled via CSD or a PROD.) SilverLocust 💬 05:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Previous discussions related to these matters, which continue to be an annoyance, are archived at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 33#Request all associated moves explicitly, Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 33#"Request all associated moves explicitly", and User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 2#Incomplete requests. We definitely do not want to literally, explicitly, move an article or a disambiguation page to an article titled Deleted to make way for page move. That's absurd. Deleted to make way for page move is not an encyclopedic topic. RM is for requesting page moves, not page deletions.

Further at the root of these issues is the 3 December 2019 addition of the new section §Make explicit all moves in the request, which declared all such requests "MALFORMED" and "likely to be summarily discarded", while this is a frequently-occurring scenario and what is requested is patently obvious in the majority of cases, even if not "explicitly declared". – wbm1058 (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, per User talk:JuniperChill#Talk:Hamme#Requested move 10 April 2024 the closing editor says we can relist. Can someone in the know please assist, I don't want to break any bot workflow? --Joy (talk) 07:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I started a discussion on WP:MOSFR's talk page (here) about the following pages whose English titles lack hyphens in the given name whereas the French Wikipedia articles do have the hyphen(s). I'm unsure (1) whether following the WP:RMPM guidance here would be unduly disruptive (having a bot touch hundreds of talk pages?) and (2) whether it's even technically feasible (can the hundreds of targets really be listed as arguments in a single subst'ed Template:requested move?) So I'm posting the list of page moves on this Talk page instead of on WP:RM, and hoping that someone with more automated powers and/or expertise will tell me what's the best way to proceed from here. --Quuxplusone (talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quuxplusone (talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Take 10 articles and send them through RM. If you get a strong consensus for those moves, it's probably safe to bypass this for the others and just move them citing the RM (per WP:NOTRM). Gonnym (talk) 19:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at two names: the first in this list, Anne Catherine of Brandenburg, and a random one from the middle, Jean Paul Richter. Both are German, not French, and the German Wikipedia spells them without a dash, but the French one does – I suggest wrongly. So a mass move based on whatever tools led to the above list of 515 names seems flawed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I think more work is certainly needed before any mass move, checking they actually are French for one thing. Are Belgian and Swiss styles different, for another? Jean René Gauguin, more or less abandoned son of the painter, was essentially Danish, and his Danish article is just "Jean Gauguin", which we should probably follow. Louis Crato, Count of Nassau-Saarbrücken was wholely German & his German bio just has him as "Ludwig Kraft". Louis Ferdinand, Prince of Prussia and the Italian Louis Victor, Prince of Carignano should be removed. French figures are often loaded up with middle names they never used. And so on. Johnbod (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notified: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility), Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility. Ham II (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, I had noticed and been-okay-with the fact that my script ([1]) rejects a match e.g. between fr:Auguste-Guillaume de Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel and en:Augustus William, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel — if a name's spelling is "Frenchicized" on fr but not on en, it's not a candidate. But for "Louis," "Ferdinand," "Victor," the Frenchicized spelling is indistinguishable from the Anglicized/German/Latin spelling, so that heuristic doesn't help.

My new thought is to filter the list down to just those people who have Bibliothèque national entries (e.g. not en:François Antoine Marie Constantin de Méan et de Beaurieux) and whose primary name in the BnF is hyphenated (e.g. not en:Claude Prosper Jolyot de Crébillon). This leaves e.g. en:Claude Nicolas Ledoux (BnF); but it also leaves en:Jean Paul Richter (BnF), which was one of the ones you objected to. Hm.

Re "French figures are often loaded up with middle names they never used" — yes, true; but I consider a page a candidate only if the English page title prefix-matches the French page title's given-name-sans-hyphens. So e.g. it's fine AFAIC that fr:François-Auguste Mignet is en:François Mignet; but if it were at en:François Auguste Mignet then I'd want to add the hyphen. --Quuxplusone (talk) 13:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, the heuristic above prunes the list down to just these 107 articles. However, I guess the script will never produce an unambiguously uncontroversial list; which means that my idea of "post the whole list and let people look at it, discuss it, remove controversial items, mass-move the rest" doesn't scale. If I have investigated an item enough to think it belongs on the uncontroversial list, I should just take the 30 extra seconds and move that article right then (and WP:RM needn't be involved). Repeat 500 times. :) --Quuxplusone (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]