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A user has been deleting several bands from the crossover thrash page. His only reason for doing so is that "he was there" and he only requires sources for bands that he personally doesn't consider to be crossover. Apart from one of the bands I tried restoring (Lawnmower Deth, who are generally considered as crossover on a bunch of sites, but I couldn't find any "reliable" sources for them), all the other bands have been referred to as crossover on reliable sites like Allmusic and Blabbermouth. Despite adding sources, the user continues to delete the bands claiming that the sources are pushing my "POV" and has no interest in discussing it on the talk page. I would like someone to step in here. I'd particularly like someone to confirm whether my sources for Hellbastard and Dead horse are good enough. Thanks SonOfPlisskin (talk) 00:41, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
No actually I told you on my talk page "I was there". I told you they have no reliable sources as as per their wiki articles didn't list themselves as "crossover thrash" . I also went to every band in the list over about 3 Hours . also the one band you said has a source the source is their Own Website which is Not a reliable source . Then what you/this user did was look up sources to back his/her point of view add it to the article and then type that "its sourced" . For his / her own POV . Such as one site that quotes band camp another unreliable "source" . I removed many bands in a mass clean-up to make the list pure . "punk Rock" bands aren't crossover thrash and "thrash metal" bands aren't crossover thrash . Dead Horse and hell bastard are not Crossover Thrash . This person should never lie being everything is there as it was . Able to be accessed and read . A reader deserves to use the article and any article as a knowledge tool . It should be pure and honest . 68.39.152.45 (talk) 05:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
For instance what this user above is doing is searching things to back up their POV. While there are Just as many that contradict what they are finding as sources , in 30 second search heres one, Hell Bastard from Death Metal .org http://www.deathmetal.org/news/sadistic-metal-reviews-01-12-14/attachment/hellbastard-_-heading-for-internal-darkness/ I feel this person may work for earache or metal blade records as most of the bands he pushes have something to do with one of those labels or both 68.39.152.45 (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
hell hammer is a crust band as per this wiki, with sources , without Anyones POV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crust_punk just about Guarantee he changes this Article to meet his .her POV. 68.39.152.45 (talk) 22:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
take a look at this users 5 month old talk page . The only thing this user ever does is Argue, make personal attacks, threats and if this user doesn't get their way , goes to Articles to change the genres that have been there for Years in some cases just to have them on a list , that they don't qualify or meet the criteria for . This user lies constantly and has no history of working with ANYONE . What this user is trying to do is Change Genres and set up a list on the talk page as if its Legitimate . Its not . Everything thats WRONG Will Always be deleted By Someone eventually . I have no personal "beef" with any of those groups , This user made some serious errors in their rush to change articles to their POV so they would qualify and meet criteria for inclusion. Those errors are Obvious to any Experienced editor . I will reveal them as this/after this is resolved . Also if someone asks me to I will show them . Also the bands own Facebook pages don't even claim they are "crossover thrash" . This persons talk page with all their arguing and on the talk pages at my ip is proof this person doesn't work with Anyone . 68.39.152.45 (talk) 16:17, 23 September 2014 (UTC)68.39.152.45 (talk) 16:14, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Heres where it was said to not use bands personal website to back up claims "and a band's own website is at best questionable, and probably should not be used either." Unless its being interpreted wrong . What flags does it raise when a person goes and changes Articles to say what they want it to , just for purpose of having it in a "list" . It raises a lot of flags to me . Look at their 5 month old talk page . Ive moved a few times Ive been here for over 10 years . I can go back through pages Ive helped to edit and Prove this . This is the first time in about 13-15 Years that Ive ever had an experience like what this person does with every editor who "dares" Help an Article Towards the Truth . These bands many all have either earache records or metal blade records, or both as the one common factor . Esp the ones this user gets all heated over 68.39.152.45 (talk) 16:28, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
No one said use the Facebook as a reference but even in the Own bands "hands" THEY Don't even consider themselves as you went and speedily changed their genres and articles, but made some serious Errors, I noticed . The talk page from the page which I am typing from is there for all to see. You argue with me at the talk page I type from and on your own talk page and have a history of edit warring . Why do you never wait for someone to mediate and continue to engage about this . It is what it is, an Article should be Accurate and Helpful to any reader or person who seeks Knowledge . Any one who doesn't support your POV you freak out on . How did this start I cleaned up about 150 bands and you took it upon yourself to argue on the talk page telling me things like "you're not going to listen to what" I say , and that I "can barely speak english" , also saying my only reasoning was "I was there" . You kept trying to define, in your POV what each article means . Even what you wrote on about crossover thrash and what you think is "thrash" is contradicted by the article itself , maybe you would have read it First . You also typed that "thrashcore" and "crossover thrash" are THE SAME THING. If you read or ever read Both Articles like I have for like 8-10 years you would notice what the article states are the Differences and how one is NOT the other . Also they have two separate Articles for that reason . They are not the same . If you don't have a clear understanding what the genres Entail why bother arguing your own POV. All you want to do is argue. Did you ever think maybe someone has to read this and maybe there is already enough for an editor to make judgements . You keep adding More and More and More and More . Even when you say "I don't have time today" you still have time to argue your point . Your point, Your POV . You can't seem to give it a rest until an editor reviews it . You seem Too Overly concerned that YOUR POV is "heard" . What do you think is going to happen if we just DROPPED IT ALREADY . Even if we had 26 Hours go by until this is reviewed Fully . Is one of the bands going to break up if you can't include them on a "list" . Give it a rest . Its been three days . 68.39.152.45 (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
"What do you think is going to happen if we just DROPPED IT ALREADY . Even if we had 26 Hours go by until this is reviewed Fully . Is one of the bands going to break up if you can't include them on a "list" ". Give it a rest . Its been three days ." Do you think that editors aren't smart enough to go through the contribs and see there is activity on the talk page at crossover thrash ? Let things run their course . If you know how . You never give it a rest . Try this word , "Patience" . 68.39.152.45 (talk) 17:45, 23 September 2014 (UTC)