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Should winning the NBA In-Season Tournament be added to the Los Angeles Lakers infobox? Because Debbie.440937 (talk · contribs) is removing it for the third day in a row (I already warned the editor for edit warring). In addition, a parameter to Template:Infobox NBA season has been added per request at Template talk:Infobox NBA season#Adding NBA Cup championship parameter. – sbaio 20:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm the one who requested the parameter get added to the NBA season infobox template because yes, it's a major championship within the context of an NBA season now. It's not going anywhere (Adam Silver stated as much), the players have all bought in, the fans have bought in (tv ratings were historically high for this time of year for NBA games), and just because this year was the first occurrence doesn't mean we should wait until there have been multiple occurrences to include it.

Regarding the Los Angeles Lakers main team infobox, I'm in support of keeping it in. I'd prefer to see it renamed "NBA IST titles" since "NBA Cup" is the name of the trophy itself, but that's a minor point to clarify IMO. SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Their Basketball Reference franchise page makes no mention of it. I think it's premature to say what it means outside of the context of a season.—Bagumba (talk) 11:03, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I question the long-term significance of the in season tourney. It is bigger scope, but it doesn’t really have any impact on the season, just a way to draw interest. Is it really bigger to the NBA than the preseason NIT was in college hoops? Rikster2 (talk) 12:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I suppose footy is a better example, but I know little about it. At least they got the Lakers to shove a banner up for it. —Bagumba (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose Do we list the winner of the Maui Invitational or NIT in collegiate infoboxes? (Rhetorical question.)-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 16:13, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support It is the de-facto men's national cup competition of the United States. Has broad international coverage, something I'm not sure the Maui Invitational or NIT has. Alvaldi (talk) 20:59, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support I don't think likening it to the pre-season NIT is apples to apples, nor do I think it's equivalent to early season tourneys like the Maui Invitational. Those college tourneys never garnered remotely the same coverage as the NBA IST domestically, let alone globally. The Lakers hung a banner for it. It's not going anywhere, and it will only continue to become more prestigious as years go by. At the end of the day it's an important enough championship to include a gold bar at the top of the team's season infobox. It's for sure a notable achievement. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:32, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support: Per Alvaldi and above. The in-season tournament is big enough and generates enough popularity for notability. While it doesn't have the tenure, it has positioned itself to be quite similar to the English soccer equivalent of the FA Cup whereas the NBA season is like the Premier League regular season. As a major, knockout tournament held in-season, with the backing of the league, I view this as an important piece of information for infoboxes. GauchoDude (talk) 12:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just to be clear, this is for the primary team / franchise infobox. Per recent edits at Gabe Vincent, inclusion in a player's infobox as an award / achievement is a completely separate discussion. SportsGuy789 (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is not particularly similar to the FA Cup. The FA Cup is a knockout which comprises several levels of teams that do not normally play. The in season tournament is just an in season tournament of the same teams who play each other all year long. Rikster2 (talk) 16:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support: The NBA in-season tournament, in its current form, combines elements from various tournaments, like the Supporters' Shield or the Presidents' Trophy, the in-season tournament utilizes a point system derived from regular-season games. It also incorporates features reminiscent of the FA Cup and of the German equivalent, the DFB Pokal, by including a group and knockout stage. These awards are acknowledged in the honors section of the respective teams. The in-season tournament has attracted significant attention domestically, internationally, and within the NBA community. With its own trophy, special ceremonies, dedicated banner, and financial incentives supported by the league, the in-season tournament firmly establishes itself as an exclusive and standalone championship, deserving recognition as such. Raphael North (talk) 17:39, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Account created today - who are ya man? This is a very odd first edit. If you have a COI you need to say so Rikster2 (talk) 17:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• In addition, Supporters' Shield and Presidents' Trophy are not tournaments. Those are awards given at the end of the regular season to the best team. – sbaio 19:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes and my first edit on wikipedia. Sorry if my first edit came across as odd. I am from germany and tried to auto translate some of my thoughts, so I understand how it came across as weird. I have followed the discussion surrounding the NBA in-season tournament for a while now and wanted to express my opinion. And you are right Sbaio they are not tournaments - a season award that still gets recognized and as I have said before is not the only element of the nba in-season tournament, that makes it reasonable to add. Raphael North (talk) 19:32, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support Maui Invitational and NIT can not be compared to the IST. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support: As previoulsy mentioned, Silver seems adamant about keeping it and gathered enough ratings to be notable. It's similar as the way minor tournaments are mentioned in the infobox of Euro players (like, for example, if you check Ettore Messina's page, you'll see, for example, the Italian Cup or Torneo Comunidad de Madrid. Silverware is silverware. ~~~~ Intruder007 (talk) 23:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Howdy. I'm seeking input, concerning a 'recent' page move, which involves the NBA. GoodDay (talk) 17:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is a move discussion in progress at Talk:NBA Conference Finals which may be of interest to this Wikiproject Jessintime (talk) 04:03, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello there, I would like to bring to your attention this extensive (incomplete) list of NBA and WNBA articles that have not yet been created. Please let me know if you would like to participate in these enormous efforts. Your assistance is greatly appreciated if you would like to partake. For the WNBA portion, they are non-existent articles that were already created for their NBA counterpart, and should thus exist for the WNBA as well. Look forward to hearing from you! Thank you for your collaboration,

-- BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 06:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not so sure if some of those stats list would meet WP:LISTN. For the career achievements pages, be aware that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwyane Wade (2nd nomination) resulted in deletion.—Bagumba (talk) 06:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for the intel. I was not aware of that. BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 07:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Let me know your opinion regarding the other WNBA and NBA articles if you would like to share. Thank you, -- BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 07:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not too knowledgeable on WNBA. In any event, WP:LISTN is a the basic notability requirement that applies to all lists.—Bagumba (talk) 07:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay. For NBA, we have List of National Basketball Association rookie single-season rebounding leaders and List of National Basketball Association rookie single-season scoring leaders but not for assists, steals, and blocks. So notability should not be an issue for this particular case. -- BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Perhaps assists. Those other stats are a bit more obscure. If you can source the list to show that the grouping is notable per LISTN, then there's no problem. Otherwise, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to create any random stats list. —Bagumba (talk) 07:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wouldn't it be much simpler and more aesthetically pleasing (this is subjective though) to just combine season cells for players who played for two or more teams in a season, instead of having two cells? And why use ((nbay|2021|nolink=y)) anyway if you can just type 2021–22 which is much simpler and shorter?

Whatever y'all agree with, I think there should be a consensus (albeit it's something minor/aesthetic) regarding this because there are inconsistencies on how it's done in articles. I see pages combining those cells; I see them not being combined, with both seasons being linked; I also see them not being combined, but only the first mention of a season is linked (like Bagley's example in the first paragraph). ^{Dieter Lloyd Wexler} 19:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Dieter Lloyd Wexler's way is less complicated and more viewer friendly in my opinion. Both seem to get the job done. But if one were to be labelled better than the other... I would have to say Dieter's is the go to. I support the change.BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 19:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I like the example, looks cleaner. I support the change. Rikster2 (talk) 19:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is not "Dieter's way". Some Chinese editor used to run around and cause havoc in statistics sections in the past. Dieter probably saw it somewhere and just applied it to Bagley's page. I am one of the few editor's that tried to fix it, but these fixes slowly died down since nobody seemed to care (probably one of the reasons why this WikiProject has been fading away for quite some time). – sbaio 19:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I applied it to Bagley's page cause that's the format I was aware of and was predominantly (I think?) what was done in pages around middle 2010s, then around 2019 to early 2020s I actually started to notice this new way of presenting stuff (separating season cells and wikilinking seasons of G League stints in players' infoboxes), but didn't care enough to make changes lol. ^{Dieter Lloyd Wexler} 21:01, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I support the change, looks cleaner and more viewer friendly. Alvaldi (talk) 20:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is there a disadvantage to combining season cells when a player was with multiple teams?—Bagumba (talk) 03:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good point, what does it do to sorting? Rikster2 (talk) 16:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It still sorts properly. The only change is that the combined cell gets separated into two (if it spans two cells), with both cells having links to the NBA season (similar to Jamario Moon's example above). It all goes back to normal when you refresh the page. ^{Dieter Lloyd Wexler} 17:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semi-related example: at Pac-12 Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year, the 1994–95 co-winners are grouped. Sorting still works. —Bagumba (talk) 17:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This an NBA-specific followup to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball § Awards in infobox. There has been back and forth on current Lakers pages, such as LeBron James. Should the in-season tournament title (and MVP award for James) be in players' infoboxes? —Bagumba (talk) 03:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I support having the IST awards in players' infoboxes. I think it is more significant than other awards and achievements mentioned in the infobox. However, I think having IST awards at the top of the info box under the regular Championship and MVP suggested greater importance than it is. IST awards should be placed closer to the bottom of the info box if possible. BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 04:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For sake of preciseness, what other awards and achievements do you feel the IST award/championship supercede? SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good question. Difficult to say. I think determining the relative importance of these awards is very subjective and figuring out the ordering is not an easy pursuit. The regular championship and MVP are undoubtedly the most important of all awards. But beyond that, are the All-Star selections more important than IST championship? How about All-NBA First Team? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 00:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If this ends up being added, probably just lump it with the other items under "Order" 11 at the table at WP:NBAHIGHLIGHTS, listing under reverse chrono order. After one year, it's too early to gauge its relative notability to that detail. —Bagumba (talk) 00:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Note The IST MVP is now shown at the top of LeBron's basketball-reference.com profile, but it doesn't show that he won the IST championship.—Bagumba (talk) 04:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Against including IST championships and IST MVPs in player infoboxes. I might re-evaluate this opinion a year or two from now, but I need to see another IST or two before switching my opinion. SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  If you would like to share, why do you think IST ring should be in team's infoboxes but not in player's? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I support having the IST winners and MVP included in the player infobox, however I feel less strongly about the All-tournament awards. Unlike tournaments such as prior Summer League editions, the IST was not invitational; every team in the league participated and competed for the title. Additionally, teams did not field weakened or developmental rosters. The winning team has hung a banner for it and intends to add to it with future victories. While we only have one winner to go off of for precedent, I would imagine future winners would do something similar. Disregarding an official, non-invitational tournament feels as silly to me as it would to not include actual invitational tournaments like the 3pt contest and Slam-dunk contest in infoboxes. Finally, the league has stated multiple times the tournament is here to stay. Stating it would be better to wait before adding isn’t any more valid than stating we should add them winners and wait to remove them until the league stops hosting the tournament. Gserrato15 (talk) 00:12, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment: Even if the IST award becomes defunct, it should still be valid (if majority supports) to keep it in the infobox. Note that the following defunct awards remain in the NBA awards infobox, both Comeback Player of the Year and IBM Award (see David Robinson's infobox). - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Yes, they shouldn't automatically be pulled merely because it is defunct. However, consensus can change for any award—defunct or not—whether it is worth listing anymore. —Bagumba (talk) 00:13, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Observation: A little... odd, to put it mildly... that two registered users with no user pages and no comments on their talk pages, both with literally one or just a couple edits in their entire editing history, both pop up out of nowhere to comment on the IST in these two related discussions? I've been a registered editor on Wikipedia since 2006 (via two accounts), and this feels like a WP:DUCK situation through and through. Multiple registered single-purpose accounts with the same viewpoint, commenting on the same topic, and both "suddenly" active? Give me a break. SportsGuy789 (talk) 19:38, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Maybe someone can Check User? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Are my thoughts less valid because I’m not as active as another person? I’ve been on this site since my undergrad years and made multiple edits (mainly on Liga MX), not sure why they no longer show up on my page. Gserrato15 (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Edit: realized I made a new account a couple years back, old username was Gserrat Gserrato15 (talk) 20:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Original account right here Gserrat (talk) 20:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  They'd only be less valid if it turns out you were a sockpuppet. But given the circumstances, it was far from unreasonable to call out the coincidence of these redlinked users popping up. I'm not 100% convinced there's zero correlation but I'll drop it for now. SportsGuy789 (talk) 03:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support: The inclusion of IST information in infoboxes for players. This is a major tournament and should be included as such. GauchoDude (talk) 15:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support: It is a major tournament and award marketed heavily by the NBA, even if they randomly stop it in a few seasons, I'd argue it still is significant enough to warrant a mention due to the level of coverage around it, honestly there are awards still in infoboxes that have less coverage and still warrant a mention. Not including it just seems too resistant to change. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By my estimation, Jalen Brunson's just ended 5-game 30+ streak was the first by a Knick since Carmelo Anthony's 7-game streak in 2012-13 because neither Porzingis nor Randle has done it as a Knick. I can't find a source that he had 5 in a row. I had a source for 4 in a row and then the 5th game he and Randle both had 30, which became the story. Can anyone help me find a source.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I found it in this article. However, I don't think it counts as RS. At the bottom of this FantasyPros article - Jalen Brunson scores 21 points Thursday BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't think its an RS either.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:55, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TonyTheTiger, Here it is from CBS Sports and Clutch Sports (should be reliable RS?) -> Knicks' Jalen Brunson: Pours in 30 in Tuesday's win and Knicks' Jalen Brunson completes mind-bending streak not seen before in franchise history -- BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:BeFriendlyGoodSir, the clutchpoints article says his streak is the longest by a Knicks guard in franchise history, but it is unclear whether they are talking about the 5-game 30+ or the 4-game 30+/50% shooting. So I will go with the CBS source. Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I wish there was a good source to clarify whether it is the longest streak by a Knicks guard ever or who was the last Knick to post a longer streak.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alperen Şengün's page needs some serious cleanup (I tagged it). I have cleaned up most of the mess, but other editors are welcome to fix the season-specific sections, because there's too much records and non-notable statistics. I am asking for others to help, because I do not really edit NBA-related pages anymore. Thanks in advance. – sbaio 09:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would like to dispell all rumors that there is a relationship between charges drawn and my editorial efforts. Per https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle-leaders here are the current NBA leaders in charges drawn

1. Jalen Brunson-23 (81.3% of text, page creator)
2. Tim Hardaway Jr.-20 (79.9% of text, page creator)
3. Moritz Wagner-19 (62.2% of text)

I am not responsible.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:31, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Correlation does not imply causation. Having said that, I think you may be on to something. Can you edit Lebron James article some more... I would like to get his charges drawn count up.. Thanks! BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why are the coordinates of the arena considered an important piece of information on the list of teams? Wouldn't a listing of current Head Coaches make more sense and be more in line with how other sports are formatted? Hawksfan7358 (talk) 01:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't understand your complaint. Can you elaborate and share a hyperlink if necessary? Here is a List of current National Basketball Association head coaches. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm pretty sure the editor in question is referring to the list of teams table on the main NBA page.[1] For reference, the MLB and CFL pages have coordinates, the NFL, EPL, and NHL pages don't. To the question. I think it is a bit odd to list coordinates. A linkage to the city and arena should suffice. I think a list of coaches should be a separate page, perhaps ownership would be a better fit. The information was added in 2014 by @Zzyzx11:, with this edit [2]. Maybe they can explain why it was added.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I initially did that in 2014 so I could use ((GeoGroup)) to generate a map of all the points, and the ability to export a KML file, along with the other features listed on Template:GeoGroup/doc. My similar additions on the NFL, EPL, and NHL pages were eventually reverted. I will not contest it if they are also reverted on the NBA, MLB and CFL pages too. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Alvaldi and Rikster2: (I know you've both done work about notability before) A group of NBA players have been tagged for notability. I know they're notable but don't have the time to find sources to show it. Would anyone here be willing to do it? (Noble Jorgensen, John Mills (basketball), Roger Jorgensen, Coulby Gunther, Harry Zeller) Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:13, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll probably take a crack at finding sources for them tonight. Alvaldi (talk) 16:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Alvaldi: More that have been tagged for notability: Howie McCarty, Mike Bytzura, Johnny Malokas, Vito Kubilus. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]