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This page has been subject to long term abuse by followers of the Pakistani new religious leader Gohar Shahi who have sidelined any report of the mentioned death of the person and changed it to mere disappearance which none of the sources claim. The Pakistani government and courts [and press] treat Shahi as having died in 2001 and have dismissed various cases of blasphemy against him based on that. Basically two groups arose after his death in 2001 with the larger one being Messiah Foundation International which claims that Shahi did not die and that is what is being reflected in the article. (I recommend reading this journal article by Yoginder Sikand on the leader and the movement(s) founded by him.)

I am not sure how to approach this and am not too familiar with new religious movements. Please see what should be done here, pinging @FULBERT, Gwenhope, and SMBisbee: for reviewing this. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 17:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Firstly, I am not in any way knowledgeable about Asian NRMs. However if official sources list someone as dead, unless very reliable sources put the official source into dispute for a legitimate reason, we should write it as if the person were decreased on Wikipedia. Reversion seems necessary if that is indeed the case. Gwen Hope (talk) (contrib) 19:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jayen466: Can you please provide a comment as to what should be done here? The article's status has not changed much since I first made this comment. Gotitbro (talk) 19:22, 1 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We should go with what the mainstream sources say. That is the person is dead, however, mentioning what the other sources have claimed (though the proof is lacking). ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:54, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TheAafi: Yes, that is what I was thinking. On the lines of "Though he died in 2001(citations/note here), a section of his followers claims that he has merely diasppeared and is still alive(citations/note here)". With further changes to the article per this. Gotitbro (talk) 18:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Gotitbro, sometimes it happens that a person venerates some one so much that they do not agree with their death. "How can such a person die"? We need to throw such misinformation out of this encyclopedia. If their claims of Shahi being alive are produced by reliable sources, mentioning them makes sense. Otherwise, we just go with what the legitimate reliable sources say, and of course, we give some weight to primary sources as well. We take the balanced approach here. This is not a biography of a living person anymore, in my opinion. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indeed, I also went through the 23 other language wikis to check the status of his articles there; on Bengali, Finnish, Malaysian, Punjabi, Simple, Portuguese, Romanian, Swedish, Urdu, Vietnamese and Chinese he is reported to be still alive likely due to the articles being later translations of the enwiki article (after COI editing had taken place). I will wait for further comments and implement the changes of his death if no one is opposed to it as such here. Gotitbro (talk) 18:29, 2 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

At Wikipedia: WikiProject Council, I have made a proposal for a new WikiProject - WikiProject Mysticism. I wonder whether any one in this WikiProject would be interested in helping me to launch such a WikiProject? Vorbee (talk) 17:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thelema, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:46, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, this draft, about a project that was initially focused on new religious movements, needs some work before being moved to the main encyclopedia area. Any help from content creators familiar with NRMs would be welcome. Most of the people involved in the project have a long history working in the NRM area of religious studies. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:21, 27 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Small NRM in the news today, due to the leader being found deceased. There was some significant coverage prior to this so I've created an article at Love Has Won. Feel free to improve. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An article that this project has been involved with (Chinese lists of cults) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (List of Chinese new religious movements). Additionally, the current discussion is leaning toward not splitting, and instead moving the current article to Heterodox Teachings (Chinese law) and changing it from a list-class article to a more substantial discussion of the topic. If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. - - mathmitch7 ^{(talk/contribs)} 12:15, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A religious ministry that sounds more and more like a cult the more you read about it, has paid to skew article content relating to their activities. More eyes to return the article to NPOV would be appreciated. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hello all,

I recently created an article on Bentinho Massaro, who may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.

Any additional eyes on this article would be greatly appreciated. QueenofBithynia (talk) 21:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please see these two articles and share your opinions on notability:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gospel Light International Ministries
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Felix Omobude
  • Felix Omobude is the General Superintendent of Gospel Light International Ministries

Thanks,

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 17:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]