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So clean and new... but down to business. The first task I will be working on is developing a list of our core articles (similar to CrazyC's listing at Meteorology) and working from there. This would obviously be the place to discuss stuff such as the lists of tornadoes by year, and the lists of tornadoes and tornado outbreaks. I hope to eventually start more coverage on major derecho/wind as well as hail events, however rare they may be. But I digress.
Since tornado became featured, I've been thinking that all severe weather phenomenon articles should be featured, such as hail, lightning, derecho, etc. It really shouldn't be that hard, especially if we can get a few people working together. Anyway, this has just become a series of ramblings, but I will post here as soon as I have a plan for getting these articles improved. -RunningOnBrains 02:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
How do you create a new category? I've been modifiying squall line and added severe weather as the cat, and it shows up in red, implying the category is not yet created. Thegreatdr 17:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
What do you think about this? I personally like it and I'd be curious to hear others thoughts. The only bad thing I've noticed is that they automatically show as collapsed if you have more than 3 in an article, but I'm sure that can be fixed somehow. See my sandbox for an example. Gopher backer 03:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Since this project looks like it's being done similary to the tropical cyclone project, I propose that new articles relating to the project only appear on the main severe weather project page. I have removed them from the meteorology project page for the time being. Thegreatdr 15:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
As a few people have requested more specific guides to assessing articles, I started a brief tutorial at Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather/Assessment. Hope it helps all you out there. Many thanks to those who are already out there assessing. -RunningOnBrains 07:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I created the article List of Connecticut tornadoes, thinking it might become a part of a useful series. Let me know what you think, it is currently under peer review. -RunningOnBrains 06:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I stumbled upon Straight-line winds after I saw it get linked in another article. It didn't have a project tag so I put one in there. I'm curious as to if this can stand on its own, or if it should get merged into downburst? Gopher backer 18:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Since most (but not all) tornado outbreaks feature other severe weather as well, should two additional information - largest hail and most intense measured wind gust (straight-line) - be added to the infoboxes? After all (usually) all severe weather goes into the single outbreak article... CrazyC83 01:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Nominations are now being accepted for Release Version 0.7. I was thinking that we should put forth all our Top-importance articles, along with some high-importance which are very good supplemental material. -RunningOnBrains 19:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Also posted this at WP:METEO. It seems I am the only major contributor to Portal:Weather right now. I really want to push collaboration on this, it seems kind of wrong for me to do everything myself (besides possibly introducing unintended bias, I really know nothing about Portals in general). Anyone who wants to help, post on my talk page, and leave comments for improvement at Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Weather/archive1. Cheers all, and happy editing! -RunningOnBrains 07:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Should we be using this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Tornado_outbreaks_by_intensity Gopher backer 04:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether North Central Indiana-Michigan Tornado Outbreak is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 16:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Here is the discussion. Gopher backer 17:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I've also left a message for all other members of the project. Thanks!.--JForget 01:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Ckimpson (talk · contribs), also known as Cgkimpson (talk · contribs), has returned to editing as CamKimpson (talk · contribs). I've given him a strong warning regarding his account hopping and disregard for sources. Please leave me a comment if other inappropriate edits occur. Circeus 20:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/24.224.191.178 Another possible "sneaky vandal". Gopher backer 17:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Tornadoes of 2007#"Most tornadoes form in the U.S.". Simply south 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I've started a user page on the current outbreak in the Midwest which already killed 2 people in Missouri. See User:JForget/October 2007 North America Tornado Outbreak for info and if you want to make some updates and improvements. Eventually, when we are confident that it will meet the requirements for an article it can be moved to mainspace--JForget 15:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Can we come up with a standard set of categories for Tornado or tornado outbreak articles? If we can agree on some, then I'll go through and start cleaning up articles. (I actually already have a little, but thought I should bring it up before I went to far). Here is what I think they should be:
Categories that should not be added are:
Am I correct in assuming these? If so, I'll take the liberty of going through existing articles and cleaning them up. (Remember, this is only for tornado related articles. Derecho or other severe related articles are not as numerous and don't have such an elaborate structure of categories for them.) Gopher backer (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone considered a newsletter for WP:SEVERE similar to that of WP:NTROP? If so, with the help of a few other members, I would be willing to be editor. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 22:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I saw the Convective instability article needed some editing and was in need of an "expert" (I hate that term). So I cleaned it up and did some expansion work making it far less confusing (check out the old version). I was wondering if someone cloud briefly look over it, perhaps another "expert" to see if they agree. Thanks!!! Theonlysilentbob (talk) 02:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure if it is in the scope of the Severe Weather project or the General Met project but here it goes...
We definitely need a stub discussing a hydrolapse while keeping it separate from lapse rates. Can provide a See Also section or whatever linking to lapse rate. Hydrolapse and lapse rate go hand in hand since they are part of the same thermodynamic processes but I would argue for keeping them separate so as to allow specificity in articles which may link directly to hydrolapse or readers who are just interested in that particular term.
Secondly, we need an article dealing with dynamic instability specifically related to meteorology, right now an article exists but it deals with some biochemistry cellular stuff. At the same time we also need something which is related to dynamic lifting, either in a separate article or as part of the article dealing with dynamic instability.
These are two atmospheric conditions/processes which are critical to severe weather at both a storm/mesoscale level and synoptic level. Theonlysilentbob (talk) 06:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
For those who remember this user, see this article. "Cameron Kimpson" is probably active around somewhere, so keep an eye out. Circeus (talk) 21:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Microburst and Downburst are the same thing on a different scale. The microburst article is superior but there are some pretty pictures on the downburst page that should be moved if the articles are to be merged. Please discuss the issue of a possible merger. Theonlysilentbob (talk) 00:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if maybe templates on tornado events per state can be created. I've created Template:Alabama tornado events and added it to outbreak pages which Alabama had received several tornadoes or significant ones. Should we do templates per states or do templates of outbreaks per a certain period? I'm waiting for feedback before continuing whether it is a thumbs up or thumbs down.--JForget 23:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
A newsletter has been started for WP:SEVERE at Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather/Newsletter. Newsletter editors are currently in need of nominations for featured member to finish the newsletter before the begining of the month. Nominations are accepted at the above link. User: Southern Illinois SKYWARN and User:Juliancolton —Preceding comment was added at 23:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
We recently had a similar article to tornadocane called landphoon removed from wikipedia because the term was not in the glossary of meteorology. What's interesting is that landphoon had about seven unique sources, while tornadocane has exactly one source using the term. I'm going to remove the link, and propose the article's removal, for consistency's sake. For reference, I was the creator of landphoon last August. This posting is also in BWER, tornadocane, and will also be in the meteorology and tropical cyclone projects to get the largest possible response. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I have been working on the above article since early January. The article appeared on the front page under DYK at one point. I would like to improve the aricle further. Any suggestions? Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 19:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I have reviewed April 6-8, 2006 Tornado Outbreak and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributor of the article along with another WikiProject. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:57, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I recently did some research on a tornado outbreak that occurred in January 1989. It resulted in 11 tornadoes, two of them F-4. It caused no deaths, but resulted in a total of 61 injuries, 50 of them in Allendale, Illinois, just to the north of where I live. The school building pictured (I took the picture by the way) was rebuilt after one of the F-4s tore through the town. I have original research (I know, I can't use it) that says the tornado embedded what appeared to be straw in trees and wrapped metal siding around trees. The original research also says that houses were totally destroyed to near F-5 damage. The town was closed for weeks thereafter and was declared a disaster area. I wasn't sure if it would meet notability, so I brought it up here. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Hail is a neglected subject in Wikipedia and its projects, and for myself, included. I have upgraded the importance status for the tornado outbreak article covering the supercell responsible for the largest hail swath and most damaging hailstorm in recorded history. I've added a section on the supercell, which also produced 10 tornadoes, to the April 10-11, 2001 tornado outbreak article. Evolauxia (talk) 13:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
One of the contributors to the severe weather project reviewed the article in response to GAC, and made a comment about expanding the article, but isn't sure how it can be expanded. I'm looking for a second opinion, to see if there are any additional avenues for expansion of this article. Thank you for whatever help any of you can provide. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I have proposed new standards for tornado outbreak articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Severe weather/Tornado. I put this on the project page, but I have had very little feedback. Comments and/or votes are appreciated! Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 19:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't look to me like this event is article-worthy ($250k in damage, 0 injuries), unless tornadoes in this specific location are remarkably rare. thoughts? Gopher backer (talk) 20:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Have any other tornadoes hit Atlanta in the past? A duplicate article sprung up last night called Atlanta tornado, but I merged and redirected it into 2008 Atlanta tornado outbreak. Still though, if there have been other tornadoes to hit Atlanta, then Atlanta tornado should be setup as a disambiguation page. Gopher backer (talk) 17:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that there are two separate articles for the same tornado outbreak:
Should these be merged? If not, I think that United States-Canadian Outbreak should then be renamed since the article is not on the Canadian tornadoes. I know that storms from the same storm system are generally keep together, but I don't know that there's too many that happen in two countries like this. Gopher backer (talk) 01:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Template:10 costliest US tornadoes - Someone brought up a question on the talk page that this list looks inaccurate. If you look at the 1989 damage here, and calculate that to 1997 dollars here, then it would come out to $323 million and be 8th place on the list. I'm wondering if anyone wanted to say otherwise. If not I'll probably change it in a couple days. Gopher backer (talk) 19:27, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
This could use some work if someone want to take a crack at it. Gopher backer (talk) 04:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Is this article needed? How is this any different than a thunderstorm? Gopher backer (talk) 04:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
As you may know, I had created several new articles, separate list articles and as well as adding tornado lists in many articles. However, there are a couple of articles, i'm not sure if the outbreak is larger. First case, is the outbreak that included the Jarrell tornado in 1997. There is already an article with the list of all Texas tornadoes, however, there have been many other tornadoes perhaps from the same system in a span of a couple of days that hit I believe Oklahoma, Arkansas, etc. That may require a separate list article.
The second one is the May 1995 Outbreak Sequence where according to the infobox and the list of tornado outbreaks ended on May 27-29. However, in a separate list article, I've only included those until May 19 as there is a significant lull of tornado activity for about one week until it starts again at around May 26 until after the Pampa, Texas outbreak on June 6-7. Maybe a second outbreak sequence article may be needed there - if not the outbreak sequence would probably have to extended into June, considering there have been several outbreaks between May 26 and June 9. Perhaps renaming the first sequence Mid-May 2004 .... and the second Late-May-Early June ....
The third one is the South Dakota outbreak in 2003 which . I haven't touch the article yet because it is small but there have been many other tornadoes in neighboring states too. Probably, a separate list article will be needed there.
Finally, would it be good to add tornado lists in some of the hurricane/tropical articles (those that have produced over 10-15 tornadoes)--JForget 17:55, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I created this map of the locations of killer tornadoes of 2007 and added it to Tornadoes of 2007.... it's basically the same map that the SPC produces but using newer graphics. I'm wondering if this adds anything, and, and if it's worth creating these for these for previous "Tornado of year" articles. Gopher backer (talk) 01:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
That sounds good (as long as there is a link to the page with the list of tornado tracks - which seems is there on the image description]. That can be added to the section below since I've noticed that User:Cyclonebiskit put a map of the all tornado tracks for the year. --JForget 14:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
I am going through and manually drawing SVGs for any good weather images I find. So far these are the ones I have done, and I will be converting these soon: (Image:Meso-1.PNG, Image:Meso-2.PNG, Image:Meso-3.PNG). Does anyone have any comments or see anything they would like fixed/improved? How about suggestions for other images to convert?
This article needs a lot of work yet if it is going to pass FAC. I won't have time to do a thorough copyediting until tomorrow night or Sunday, so if anyone else has time here is a quick list of stuff I found.
I personally do not believe that some of these things will keep it from being an FA, it does not need a lot of work. You make it sound like I just created this awful article and sent it off to FAC. This article has been edited by most of the project and has been through a grueling GAN. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 13:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC) I have to go somewhere until about 1700 UTC that has no internet, so I will restart work later on this afternoon. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 14:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and did a massive cleanup that took me about 30 minutes. I think I have addressed all new issues. Once again, please leave new comments at the FAC page. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 00:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to nominate Portal:Weather for Featured Portal status, and I was looking for some feedback from other members of the WikiProject. Sooo.....take a look, let me know what you think, thanks! -RunningOnBrains 07:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I found this article a couple weeks ago, it was created by our favorite 11 year old editor last summer. I put a deletion tag on the article on the grounds that it was non-notable (seeing that it is on one F3 tornado that killed or injured nobody and caused only 30k in damage), but someone from Project Nebraska removed the deletion tag and has kind of adopted it. I still think it's non notable but I guess I don't really know if we should bother with it or what. Gopher backer (talk) 15:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that these two articles are for the same outbreak. Normally there should only be one article per outbreak, but the content of both articles seems to be well developed and merging might create an article that is too long, and to cut either of them might hurt the quality. The redundancy here is that the "United States-Canadian Outbreak” name suggests that the article is also about an outbreak in Canada, where as what’s really going on is the information about the Canadian outbreak is in a separate article. The original article is the US - Canadian one, which is about 3 years old, and the Barrie article was created by someone about 11 months ago. Any suggestions on what to do here?
I've begun the long task of making articles for the tornado years between 1950 and 2000. I've already started the one for 2000 and if anyone would like to help out, start out with 1999 so there is no confusion during updates. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 08:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
My plan is to create an article for each one, give a brief overview of the major events of that year, and briefely describe the daily events. I understand that this will take many months to compelte, even over a year depending on how many (if any) people help out. User:Cyclonebiskit/Tornadoes of 2000, that is the location of the article for 2000, as you can tell it is just getting started. It shows the basic structure that I have planned out (save a summary of the major events of the year) to allow others to begin creating other years. Even though it is showing up to Feb. 22, I still have to go back and clarify some of the earlier ones first. The first outbreak with a separate page needs a major expansion as it only briefly covers the 4 tornadoes in Georgia. The Fort Worth tornado aslo needs expansion. Once my school year comes to a close on the 11th, I will be able to spend much more time in developing these articles as I will have almost the whole summer (roughly three months) of free time to devote to working here. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
The Fort Worth Tornado article should be part of an outbreak sequence that started on March 22 and ended on the 31st. 59 tornadoes were confirmed during this span. There were three outbreaks in the sequence. One on the 22-23, 25-27, and the final on the 28-31. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
For those of you who haven't been following the discussion, a new C-class will be created shortly (see incredibly long discussion here). I will soon be adding it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather/Assessment. I feel that we need to clarify exactly what articles will be let into B-class, which seems exceedingly overpopulated with bad articles these days. Discussion here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Severe weather/Assessment would be appreciated.-RunningOnBrains 05:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Since I'm going back and reassessing a lot of articles, maybe finding GA's to put up for FAC, would anyone be interested in starting a formal project-wide A-Class assessment, as they do at WikiProject Awesome? There's been a bunch of arguing during the C-Class debate as to the usefulness of A-Class, I say we make use of the class as the Project's go-ahead to FA candidacy. This way the whole project can get behind an article before it goes to peer review and Featured Article Candidacy. I've wanted to do this for a while, and I think this project has a level of activity which would be able to sustain such a system. -RunningOnBrains 07:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
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I opened a peer review for this a couple days ago. I didn't see RunningOnBrains note above about utilizing the A Class though. Maybe this article would be a good one to start with. I'm hoping to submit this for FA soon, so feel free to leave comments on the Peer review page. Thanks, WxGopher (talk) 16:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
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In the last several tornado outbreak articles that we've nominated for FA or GA, the people doing the reviewing are consistently questioning why these are getting bolded. Do you think we should stop doing this? WxGopher (talk) 02:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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I'm running into a really big problem with the ever-increasing size (no pun, if there is one..?, intended) of this article. I've just added the tornadoes from the June 2008 tornado outbreak sequence, and the article has reached 183 KB, and I don't even have the tornadoes from may in it yet. I think it's best that I split it into sub-articles for each month. That should help reduce the size significantly and make the articles a lot more manageable. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
My computer froze and shut down in the middle of the May article, and I ended up forgetting about it. I've Finally started on it again
Those are the articles on the way (links will show once created of course) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Training (meteorology) WxGopher (talk) 16:23, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
This project is a group of large articles listing each and every tornado that was confirmed to have touched down in the United States in 2008. The project is likely to take at least until Late April of 2009, by then, next years project will be underway, meaning that there will be severe backup. Hopefully, once I have the project completely set up, I will try to get others to help.
Basic Guidelines- Format for the main article is like the list of hurricanes in a state article, but on a daily basis for a single year. It will lay out the major events, like the Tornadoes of 2008 article but noting more of the minor tornadoes, times, and location, and less of the technical data since it is covered in the tornadoes of 2008 article.
Most data will be obtained through the NCDC and SPC pages, if needed, other data can be obtained elsewhere
The monthly pages will give a complete list of the tornadoes that touched down in each month and a basic overview (a summary of the overview in the main page) of the month. Main Article links will be placed under each day or groups of days that have one.
--Please note that this is still in development--
To save all the notices about being incomplete and lacking references, I'm going to pull all six of the current pages that are out in the open and put them in user pages by 5:00 pm (EST) today.
Main page - List of United States tornadoes of 2008
Monthly pages
I'm going to be using the March article as an outline for the others to follow, so I'll try to get that one done ASAP.
Anyone who would like to help me out with this project is welcome. If you are going to help, please leave me a message on my talk page so I know that you are going to be editing pages. Also, feedback on this idea is welcome. Thanks to those who want to help and/or give feedback. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi. There seems to be a difference of opinion in the Storm chasing article about including external links. Part of the problem might be that I am not any kind of expert on the subject and may have not picked out the right ones to include. However, many WP articles do include a list of external links at the bottom of the page for people to check out to learn more about the topic. Redddogg (talk) 05:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)