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Seeding lists

Hi all, I've seen quite a few of these types of tables show up - Do we really need them? The prose and tables are enough, we don't need some more Statistics-cruft added to this. An example (as seen currently on 2019 World Snooker Championship) is shown below:

Rank	Player	Total Points
1	Ronnie O'Sullivan	1,104,000
2	Mark Selby	1,097,225
3	Mark Williams	1,005,000
4	John Higgins	755,500
5	Mark Allen	682,000
6	Judd Trump	646,500
7	Neil Robertson	557,500
8	Kyren Wilson	542,725
9	Barry Hawkins	454,500
10	Ding Junhui	443,500
11	Shaun Murphy	370,000
12	Stuart Bingham	363,500
13	Stephen Maguire	327,500
14	Luca Brecel	326,600
15	Jack Lisowski	321,600
16	David Gilbert	300,000

I'd be more than happy to see this go. I think this sort of table started with the PTC events. Players Tour Championship 2013/2014 – Finals was perhaps the first use, explaining where the seedings came from. Later the results bit was added. 2016 China Championship (snooker) is another example of where the initial idea is useful. I'd say that if the seedings/entry is based on the world rankings then we can do without it. We have other pages which detail the world rankings. If the seedings/entry is based on the 1-year list or some other complex system, you could argue that the table is useful. What we don't really need is the "event status" column which simply replicates what comes below. Nigej (talk) 10:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Pretty much exactly how I feel. I don't have a problem if they aren't based on the world rankings (Which could be hard to explain with prose), but not in every tournament. I've removed them for now, however, I want some consensus on this for future articles. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
  - On another note, I've also seen some removals of seeded top 16 players from articles (such as 2019 Gibraltar Open). Should this be the norm to have the top seeds listed, or removed? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Players Tour Championship 2012/2013 – Finals, Players Tour Championship 2013/2014 – Finals, 2015 World Grand Prix, Players Tour Championship 2014/2015 – Finals, 2016 World Grand Prix, Players Tour Championship 2015/2016 – Finals, 2016 China Championship (snooker), 2017 World Grand Prix, 2017 Players Championship (snooker), 2018 World Grand Prix, 2018 Players Championship (snooker), 2019 World Grand Prix, 2019 Players Championship (snooker), 2019 Tour Championship. The first 4 seems ok, then the "Event Status" got added. Nigej (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

The event status field annoys me. It seems irrelevant, as it's listed in several sections otherwise. I also saw one of these pop up on the 2019 World Snooker Championship article, which I swiftly reverted. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:14, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I think we can delete those columns. I have made a start at 2019 Tour Championship (as the most visible). Waiting to see if it attracts some comments. Nigej (talk) 19:24, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree with removing the seeding lists in the case of tournaments that just use the standard world ranking list to seed. If there is a different seeding criteria there may be an argument to include it, especially if it is compiled over several events. Betty Logan (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Could we add something like the following to these tables? If we have colours, we need to have a key to explain what they mean.

	Event winner		Event Runner-up

We do need to be a little careful regarding not falling foul of MOS:COLOR. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Personally I'd prefer to see the seeding list section as just a seeding list. Nothing to do with results. Nigej (talk) 10:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Nigej. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I have removed the "event status" columns from the above noted articles, per consensus here. Nigej (talk) 10:01, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Good job! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:57, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

World rankings articles more detailed

How would it be if the articles with the world rankings (currently Snooker world rankings 2018/2019) were designed in more detail. This means, if not only the cut-off rankings, but also all other world rankings would be displayed. This could look similar to the German Wikipedia. --BlueFire10 ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 11:53, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

It's worth mentioning, but the world rankings for the rest of the events don't have any actual effect on the season (As they don't change the seedings lists), and articles mention specifically the individual revision of the rankings. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:55, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

It would be a lot of effort to keep such a list up to date and how many people would need/look up this information? I am not opposed to doing it but if somebody is that enthusiastic about working on snooker articles the amount of work that it would require could be put to better use. Betty Logan (talk) 12:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

An advantage of doing this would be to confirm that the "High ranking" parameter in ((Infobox snooker player)) is actually correct. Currently this information is largely unreferenced. Nigej (talk) 12:42, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

How exactly does this get updated? It seems as though NuclearMissile updates this pretty much single-handedly at present. Is there a way of doing this with templates that would be easier to update? (Say, each player has an ID, so say |MWilliams_event1=£10,000 |MWilliams_event2=£7,000 etc)? and denote the events later in the template? Might be a bit simpler to update (I always look at it, and know I'll screw it up) if it were a bit easier to understand how to update. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Snooker world ranking points 2018/2019 uses a template based system. However, a lot of the work at that article is replicated at the other article. It might be possible to combine the two systems i.e. create a template where all the data can be entered just once and then accessed by the two articles. The ranking articles take up a lot of editor time because of the huge amounts of data entry so if we could effectively halve the workload by pooling the data entry that would be great. Too late for this season but could be worth considering for next season. Betty Logan (talk) 10:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
This was exactly what I was talking about. This should be pretty easy to invoke on the secondary page. Especially as this already generates the cutoff points totals. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:26, 29 March 2019 (UTC)