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This article seems justified towards the side Christian Apologetics. While it is indeed valuable data about how the Christians came to adopt this custom, this article and even recent extremist scholars (e.g.. Prof. Ronald Hutton in "The Stations of the Sun") blatantly ignore the pagan antecedents of this custom as demonstrated by a venerable work cited by both, by contrast to the overly Christian meme of each: Venetia Newall's "An Egg At Easter" emphatically concludes that the custom is pagan in origin. The Introduction also seems somewhat skewed as it infers to the reader that this custom is a purely Christian invention despite the evidence to the contrary; in fact, the quoted sources re essentially modern interpretations that seek to justify the Easter Egg as a Christian symbol. This makes the intro. little more than Christian propaganda as it is phrased. A drastic re-write is in order, and I thoroughly recommend wiping the intro. almost entirely because of its propagandist nature! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.39.20.191 (talk) 06:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Agreed; indeed, Easter is originally an English holiday that is held in celebration of the English goddess Eastre (aka Eostre or Ostara, depending regionally). She was the goddess of the dawn and of the spring, and was associated with eggs (as she was responsible for the 'birth' of new days and of spring, which brought about new life in the crops) and with hares. Current tradition (in England, at least) dictates that we hand out eggs and rabbits (which it is easy to see have evolved from hares over the last couple of thousand years) on the same day that the feast of Eastre was held in England back when paganism was still the #1 religion. How people can seriously believe that Easter eggs, or even the holiday of Easter itself are Christian in the slightest is beyond me and just makes me believe that everyone who wrote this article was blissfully ignorant of their holidays pagan English origins. Never forget that English culture is almost entirely based upon paganism, and that many of the holidays celebrated internationally originated in Britain (eg Halloween and Easter) and can be easily traced back to pagan beliefs. Modern people seem to horrendously exaggerate just how Christian western (and more specifically, British) culture is. Also remember that paganism is one of the largest religions in Britain to this day, so taking credit for all pagan holidays seems quite offensive to a very large national demographic 2.98.196.100 (talk) 23:48, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
With all the comments about Easter's pagan roots being omitted, I'm surprised no one has added it to the article yet... Is there any way to make an open request for edits?Terukiyo (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
I don't have time to make edits to the article, but I found two sources that could be used for starters for someone else to make the necessary corrections:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36149164/ns/technology_and_science-science/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/03/easter-pagan-symbolism
Berserk798 (talk) 21:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Actually, all those claims about Eostre are speculation at best. We know absolutely nothing about the attributes given to Eostre, there are absolutely no records (written by pagans or Christians) about her mythos, her attributes, the character of the supposed celebration or anything else at all. As far as the Christian celebration coming from a English pagan one, we don't even hear of Eostre or Easter until the 7th century by Bede and he says nothing about her attributes in any way either. It has all been made up based on "Well, it must be so" kind of logic and the creation of anachronisms. In reality we hear of Pascha being celebrated by Christians before the English, or Angles, Saxons and Jutes, ever existed. It is logically impossible then for it to have been derived from them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.225.25 (talk) 20:54, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Neither of the sources for the statement "The custom of the Easter egg, however, originated in the early Christians of Mesopotamia, who stained eggs red in memory of the blood of Christ, shed at his crucifixion.[9][10]" confirm or support the statement. They both say that easter eggs were incorporated into christianity at that time, but don't preclude a previous origin. Either get a real cite or I will delete the statement.Skeptonomicon (talk) 23:18, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
"One well-known early Easter egg found in a couple of OSes caused them to respond to the command make love with not war?."
That quote can't be correct....? "Make love not war," you mean?-
--- I would move the article on easter eggs (decorative) here. It is what is meant by the vast majority of the population when they say easter egg. Even if Google might show otherwise. - SimonP 18:01, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)
Its all about the mostly defunct tradition of egg decorating- there should at least be a partial mention of the chocolate eggs which today are what you are taken to mean when you say easter egg --Josquius 11:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't know where Josquius lives, but here in Brazil where I live Easter eggs are ONLY associated with chocolate eggs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.74.96.127 (talk) 22:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised that the article completely leaves out the fact that colouring of and exchanging of eggs at the beginning of spring has been a tradition in Persia from before the birth of Christianity.
Agrred the article seems to have been written by Christians seeking to distort history as usual. It makes no mention of the Teutonic goddess of spring "Eastre" which is patently ridiculous in fact no mention of the obvious pagan origins of easte rat all : The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." Despite attempts to Christianise it Easter is accepted by all scholars to be a pagan fertility rite in origin celebrating the rebirth of life in spring.
I actually find this interesting and would like to see an expansion. I really thought that easter eggs to be some sort of perverted idea for commercializing Easter and now it has an actual meaning! Someone please do the research on this! I would be eternally grateful. 22:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC) Buggs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.201.26.70 (talk)
I'm surprised to see that this article has not been expanded to include discussion of Oestre and also some mention of the myth of the egg-laying hare 'Osterhase'. The view given here is narrow and potentially misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.140.250.54 (talk) 20:24, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
The article says that The most well-known egg roll is done at the White House. It might be the most well-known in the US, but it may not be anywhere else. Until there's a citation to prove the assertion, I have amended it to the Easter Egg Roll has become a much-loved annual event on the White House lawn. Bazza 12:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
It would be interesting to disambiguate Easter Eggs and create a new article about "Easter Eggs" in video games, that is, secret areas, messages, or objects put into games which is popular among today's game designers. There's certainly enough about those to make a new article for it.--67.172.10.82 21:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
The material already in the article fits in well with what i have heard, that is not described: two people each holding such an egg, and crying different versions of the Resurrection news (in Greek, for Greek O.) while they hit them together to see which one's shell is cracked -- the cracking symbolizing the opening of the tomb. Someone should be able to get the details better than i would manage.
--Jerzy•t 04:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I admit I am a useless newbie, but I just thought I'd fix the External Link section broken link for the Vegreville egg, while I was visiting the page. I browsed around, found a Tour Alberta Main Streets site with a nice picture, and substituted that link, since the town of Vegreville's gallery seems to be broken. I also clarified that the egg is the World's Largest Ukrainian Pysanka. The error messages I got tonight were worse than useless. From what I can figure out, I was accused of linkspam. The edit was removed, and instead of putting up something that worked, the editor just left the broken link. Why? What should I have done instead? Clear constructive criticism welcome. Thanks. 142.59.110.73 02:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)Sim
Hi. I've started a discussion regarding moving Easter (disambiguation) to Easter (after having moved Easter to Easter (Christian festival) (or something similar). Discussion to please take place at Talk:Easter_(disambiguation)#Requested_move, NOT here. Many thanks! --Rebroad 10:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Erm, I suspect the bit at the end about "deep fried easter eggs in scotland" is an urban myth. Is there anyone there who can testify to having found such a thing. (if so was it any good? ((and what is the recipe?!)))
See my comments on Talk:Chocolate egg. --SJK (talk) 09:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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The article ought to make clear that the association of eggs with Easter and spring is not just symbolic, but a fact of nature.
Seasonality of eggs in New York Times Freakonomics column
"Easter’s symbols of rebirth, eggs, chicks, baby rabbits, lambs and the like are simple enough to understand in the Christian tradition but I'm always surprised when people fail to understand that it is much more than that. Eggs and baby animals were some of the very first fresh food that pre-industrial populations would have after a long winter, and would in many cases be the only food available. Spring was known as the “starving time” for most of man's history (in temperate climates) because much of the previous year's harvest and stores would have been consumed by March and April. Thus, as soon as you could begin to move around outdoors in the daylight you'd begin looking for eggs and game to supplement your diet. Thus the Easter tradition of egg hunting is more mimicry of our starving ancestors than many would like to think." -- Kai Carver (talk) 01:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
The "Easter Bunny" would seem to be a purely North American tradition, with some spillage into other cultures. It should be qualified as such in the summary.--Rfsmit (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Easter Eggs in Brazil are far different from the original painted Easter Eggs from Europe. Here, Easter Eggs are generally ostrich-big, hollow chocolate capsules with chocolate candies inside, and externally wrapped in brilliantly-colored aluminum paper.
This big, family-size Easter Eggs are very popular here in Brazil, far more than the smaller, non-hollow versions and chocolate bunnies. The Brazilian Easter Egg is opened and served as a dessert after the Easter lunch.--MaGioZal (talk) 05:13, 11 April 2009
This article infers that the Slavic people introduced the event of painting and cracking eggs to represent the ressurection of Christ where in fact, they were Pagans when they came to Europe. As a matter of fact, Christianity was introduced to them by the Eastern Orthodox Christians who had this event incorporated in their preachings ling before. I think this article has once again been sabotaged by certain extremists for political reasons to gain points for their agenda. For example, they infer Croatians use this tradition when we know that Croatians have always been Catholic. The real tell tale sign is the use of the term Macedonian which unless it refers to Greek Macedonians who lived in and around Constantinople or northern Greece at the time, then it can only be connected to political propaganda. If this is the case, it is sad that a sacred event such as easter is being used as a propaganda tool.
Spotted in a supermarket today (4 January). Jackiespeel (talk) 23:04, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The "Origin and folklore" section contains a fair amount about the alleged goddess Ēostre:
The pre-Christian Saxons had a spring goddess called Eostre, whose feast was held on the Vernal Equinox, around 21 March[citation needed]. Her animal was the spring hare[citation needed]. Some believe that Ēostre was associated with eggs and hares,[1] and the rebirth of the land in spring was symbolised by the egg. Ēostre is only known from the writings of Bede Venerabilis, a seventh-century Benedictine monk. Bede mentions the pagan worship of Ēostre among the Anglo-Saxons as having died out before he wrote about it. Bede's De temporum ratione attributes her name to the festival, but does not mention eggs at all.[2]
Given how little we know about Eostre--our only source for the existence of such a goddess is Bede, and he says nothing more than that she was honored in a month named for her, and that that month later gave its name to Easter--this seems unwarranted. All the actual connections between Eostre and easter eggs are marked with fact-check tags; according to the article on Eostre, these connections are all 19th-century speculation.
I suggest removing the references to Esotre from the article. If people want to know about the etymology of "Easter" (and speculations about the goddess), they'll find the info they need from the Easter page. -- Narsil (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I object strenuously, post-hoc. Can this be reinstated please. (R Clarke) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.169.182 (talk) 20:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
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So I'm kinda half-reading, half skimming the article, when I come upon this caption on an image: "Candle dripped Easter eggs from Ord Mantell and South Bend, IN, USA". Being a Sci-Fi dork and a Star Wars fan, I immediately recognized 'Ord Mantell' as a planet from the Star Wars Expanded Universe. Granted, my first thought was 'What? Is there someplace real called that or is it just Vandalism?' Cursory examination turned up no such real place. In fact, Ord Mantell is an active redirect to it's entry in the List of Star Wars Planets. Probably why our vandal didn't link it.
Some slightly more involved searching turned up the exact page revision where it appeared: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Easter_egg&diff=281414284&oldid=281334142
21:11 April 10th, 2009. I pulled it out of the article at 21:46 April 9th, 2010.
A guy adds a nonexistent planet to an image caption, in addition to the original, actual location that was listed... and it survives unremoved for 364 days, 15 minutes; 23.75 hours short of one year. In all that time, it would appear that not one single person that read, edited, or removed vandalism from the article checked that out at all. Nobody tried to link it, nobody tried to look up the article for it, nobody, in fact, bothered to try verifying it at all.
That Vandal has probably been laughing his ass off every single time he checks the page and sees it's still there. He's probably fair disappointed it missed 1 year by that narrow of a margin too.
-Graptor 208.102.243.30 (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
It´s very interesting the different forms of celebrating Easter in the different parts of the world. The chocolate eggs are a significant symbol established in speaking English countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiteresa (talk • contribs) 21:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
My wife and I happened to be in Greece during Greek Easter a few years ago and in a number of places we heard the following story for the Easter Egg tradition. Apparently, when the women went to Jesus' tomb on the Sunday morning, they went there after first collecting eggs as they had done on every other morning. But on this morning, the eggs had miraculously become coloured red. Yes, I recognize that this is hardly a "verified" story by any encyclopaedic definition. Old_Wombat (talk) 09:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
The second sentence reads as such:
The egg is a pagan symbol of the rebirth of the Earth in celebrations of spring and was adopted by early Christians as a symbol of the resurrection of Jesus.
The source for this sentence is here. I question the validity of this sentence and its source. The source provides absolutely no attribution as to who wrote it, what their qualifications are, and exactly where their information comes from. (Plus the source includes "Easter songs and fingerplays" for preschool!) 67.233.245.55 (talk) 00:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Under the Easter egg traditions section, there is a list of countries where egg tapping is practised. After that list, an editor has added 'They call it tucanje'. The languages spoken in that list of countries differ and that word seems (from my checking) to apply to very few of them. Tucanje is a word in Croatian, but not in Bulgarian - the correct term there is чукане/чукване (с яйца), transliterated as chukane/chukvane (s yaitsa), meaning literally knocking/tapping (with eggs). That's why I added a ((Who?)) to that sentence.
Options here are to either remove that phrase, or add (in brackets) the translations for each language by native speakers, similarly to Egg decorating in Slavic culture. The second option is my preferred. The Z UKBG (talk) 11:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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Could somebody please clarify the following part of the article: "During Paschaltide, in some traditions the Paschal greeting with the Easter egg is even extended to the deceased." I cannot see how the Paschal greeting is extended to the deceased, especially if an Easter egg is meant to be involved. This is very confusing and should be improved upon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.150.243 (talk) 21:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I did considerable rearrangement to the article just now - I didn't take anything out but a picture of some Cadbury eggs, though. The idea was to clarify how the Lent tradition gives a real explanation for egg eating on Easter, then proceed from there, marginalizing the non-Christian traditions which so far haven't been very convincingly linked to Easter by anything I've read here. Wnt (talk) 22:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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Hej Grotte. Tycker du att man målar på ägg i Sverige? Jag bor själv i Sverige och jag tycker mig förstå att det ingalunda målas ägg här i Sverige på påsken, utan köpes i godisaffären och ges bort i stora påskägg gjorda av papp. Alternativt hängs det i påskriset eller serveras och ställs fram på bordet, i detta fall inslagna i färglada stanniolpapper. Dina ägg, på din bild (som jag förstod att du själv tog) verkade vara målade äkta hönsägg. Jag kan inte hålla med om att detta ger en rättvis bild av de rådande omständigheterna i dagsläget i Sverige, med tanke på att denna wikipedia är en encyklopedi. I en encyklopedi, som dessutom många läser världen över, borde stå en korrekt återgivning av det statistiskt riktiga sakläget. Ett uppslagsverk bör ge en korrekt och sanningsenligt bild över de rådande förhållandena i det subjekt som behandlas. Det kan möjligen funnits en viss tradition av äggmålning i Skåne och Halland, men det generella bruket är att äta ägg och att göra som ovan. Här följer ett citat ordagrant återgiven från den motsvarande artikeln på den svenska wikipedia:
”Traditionen att skänka ägg lever kvar, men idag handlar det främst om godisfyllda pappägg.” Vänligen beakta detta, och om du trots allt envisas med att ha kvar bilden i artikeln, så denna under-skrift ” Easter eggs from Sweden”, även om det möjligen kan vara tekniskt korrekt (det vill säga att de visserligen är ägg, och var troligen målade och antagligen har befunnits på ett bord, någonstans i Sverige) så speglar de inte de verkliga förhållandena som råder i landet. Man kan bara förundras ibland vilka underliga uppgifter hittar man då och då på den engelska wiki-pedian, angående svenska förhållanden. Som till exempel i artikeln List of soups
Fruktsuppa Dessert A Swedish fruit soup, on dried fruit such as raisins and prunes.
Aldrig hört talas om Fruktsoppa, (jag antar att detta ord syftar till det) på plommon och russin. M.v.h. Hafspajen (talk) 16:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Det är inte vanligt att måla ägg i Sverige. Man brukar inte måla ägg, så som man skaffar julgran och äter risgrynsgröt på julen, så som man dansar kring midsommarstången och så som man äter sill och potatis och går omkring med kransar i håret. Det vill säga, det är ingen tradition. Det har inte rötter i den svenska påsk traditionen. Alla äter hamburgare, men det är inte någon tradition. Alla köper och äter pizza, men det är inte någon svensk tradition heller. Man äter kinamat men man är inte kines för det. Jag pesonligen gillar målade ägg, men det blir inte svensk tradition för det.
Visst finns det fruktsoppa. Typiskt svenskt, som du säger. Men du är ouppmärksam, det är ingen bra egenskap det. För att de skriver fruktsuppa, med u , s u ppa , så skriver man inte på svenska. Hafspajen (talk) 19:27, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
"Jag anmärker inte på folks stavning, inte ens sär skrivning,...?" Då borde du inte skriva på en Encyclopedia, unge man, om du inte bryr dig om vad som är rätt och fel. Det tycker jag verkligen, och då har vi inte mer att diskutera.Hafspajen (talk) 13:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
I won't add a new section of just one sentence, but I think I'd be nice to include something to the effect of: "'Easter Eggs' in video games are surprising often humorous elements put into a game that don't serve any real purpose. A lot of times they include things outside the universe of the game, other games, or simply a message to the player from the developer. They generally go unnoticed hence the usage of the term since players hunt for them." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.2.246 (talk) 01:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Agree with the above thought on adding Easter eggs in this context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.223.207.98 (talk) 05:36, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
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When the only text is considered, Red Easter egg could be easily accommodated, as one variety, in the main article Easter egg, to aid navigation. As for the excessive use of images on the red egg content fork, many of them appear here, anyway. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
While you're are it why not merge Easter egg into Easter? And why would we have a separate article for pysanka but not krashanky? And what about Easter egg tree? Or Easter custom? Or Easter food? Why not merge it all into one great big article? Candleabracadabra (talk) 20:50, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Just types of decorated Ukrainian eggs: Pysanka is often taken to mean any type of decorated egg, but it specifically refers to an egg created by the written-wax batik method and utilizing traditional folk motifs and designs. Several other types of decorated eggs are seen in Ukrainian tradition, and these vary throughout the regions of Ukraine.
So actually this should be merged into pysanka. And according to this definition the article red egg is incorrect, because Krashanky are eggs dyed a single color. Hafspajen (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Despite your various and meandering argument, the subject of red Easter eggs is very substantially covered in reliable independent sources. In Greece, where they are known as kokkina avga, and in other countries they have a special practice and traditions and culinary practices associated with them that are separate and distinct from other Easter eggs. While there is nothing stopping us from merging any two subjects together, in order to maintain balance in this article and to cover the subject of the red eggs appropriately and with proper illustrations, it is best to keep the subjects separate. Candleabracadabra (talk) 16:30, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
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The history of the Easter egg can be traced back to the time of the advent of Christianity in Mesopotamia (around the first to the third century), when people use to stain eggs red as a reminder of the blood spilled by Christ during the Crucifixion. In time, the Christian church in general adopted this custom with the eggs considered to be a symbol of both Christ's death and Resurrection. Moreover, in the earliest days of Christianity Easter eggs were considered symbolic of the thomb in which Jesus's corpse was laid after the Crucifixion for eggs, as a near universal symbol of fertility and life, were like Jesus's tomb, something from which new life came forth.
Because of the issue of the overload of images, perhaps it is wise we have a discussion section to discuss any changes in regards to images. A section where people may propose replacing/ adding images to this article. For that very reason, I have created this section.SecretName101 (talk) 23:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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So, the Jewish antecedents of Easter are well noted throughout the main article, but especially here and here. Given that the date, name, and many major symbols of Easter were explicitly borrowed from Jewish Passover whole-cloth, I don't understand how the Easter Egg article fails to discuss the importance of hardboiled eggs to to the Passover Seder and how that may have influenced the adoption of egg symbolism into Easter holiday traditions -- with the exception of a few, unsourced throwaway lines at the very end of the article. Like, the Christians and pagans weren't the only ones kicking around Mesopotamia at the beginning of the millenium, influencing early Christian doctrine.
Can someone add more balance to this article by incorporating this history more fully and with citations?
EmmeDave (talk) 19:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
I have been meaning to mention something about this here for a while. I used to think that Easter eggs originated in Mesopotamia as this article claims, but Peter Gainsford, a New Zealand classicist, has written an excellent and detailed article investigating the sources for the idea that Easter eggs originated in Mesopotamia which refutes this idea. Gainsford found that the earliest source mentioning Easter eggs in Mesopotamia is the book De Ludis Orientalibus ("On Eastern Games") by Thomas Hyde, published in 1694. There are no earlier sources recording Easter eggs in Mesopotamia before Hyde. Gainsford concludes that the idea of Easter eggs in Mesopotamia prior to the 1600s probably originates from people hearing the word "Mesopotamia" and automatically thinking "ancient Mesopotamia." He notes that there is evidence for Easter eggs in western Europe from long before the earliest evidence of Easter eggs in Mesopotamia, indicating the association of eggs with Easter actually originated in western Europe.
Concerning the origins of Easter eggs, Gainsford notes that scholars who study the Middle Ages generally conclude that Easter eggs most likely originated in western Europe during the Middle Ages as a result of the fact that eggs were forbidden during Lent, but, when Easter arrived, medieval Catholic Christians were permitted to eat eggs again. Because eggs were suddenly back on the menu on Easter Sunday, the tradition arose of blessing eggs for Easter. Thus, eggs became associated with Easter. Gainsford quotes a passage from the medievalist L. Gougaud in support of this. This actually makes a lot of sense. It seems that the association of eggs with Easter most likely originates not from paganism or from Christian symbolism, but rather from medieval prohibitions on which foods people were allowed to eat during Lent. —Katolophyromai (talk) 05:06, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Article in it's entirety is slanted toward Christianity and removes most of the pre-Christian and Pagan roots of the Easter Egg rituals. This has been mentioned numerous times in Talk and no corrective action has been previously taken. The goes against the neutrality principals of Wikipedia by pushing a POV from one primary religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumblog (talk • contribs) 18:47, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
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