Gabriel

@Voicebox64: You can't take two characters with similar names and say they are meant to be the same character. You need a reliable, non-Wikipedia source explicitly making that connection for you. If there isn't one but you are certain that there should, just be patient, one will show up eventually. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It may seem very clear that Gabriella is based on Gabriel, but we can't officially confirm it yet. --Bold Clone 23:52, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I concur as well. Without a reliable source, it would be original research. — YoungForever(talk) 23:56, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree this may be the case when the name has something as drastically different as the last name or first being changed but when the difference is just adding an l and an a in the end of the first name, we don’t really need a source to confirm that as again his names literally there just with la added on the end to show it’s a female version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.200.209 (talk) 16:19, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

About the edit dispute

An IP user was adding a link to Gabriel the Devil Hunter for the character Gabriella Rossetti, which had been previously done by other editors beforehand and reverted. The editor claimed it was confirmed to be a female adaptation of Gabriel the Devil Hunter, although the Deadline source that confirmed the casting of Gabriella Rossetti does not mention or confirm that the character is adapted from Gabriel the Devil Hunter. It may be very likely that the character is a female adaptation, although it has not been officially confirmed as such, so we cannot link to the page until it is confirmed by Hulu or Marvel. The editor also replaced the wording of the series being a "standalone story set within the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)" with the wording from the other pages, although this was previously decided to not be used as Hulu refers to it as a "standalone story" in the MCU. I've only been restoring the proper versions of the page from the edits that were previously reverted. This is a similar case to the linking to Iron Maiden on the Black Widow (2020 film), it may be likely to be the same character, but it has not yet been confirmed. It is best not to link to the character until an official source states it as such. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:58, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dude at this point it’s just gotten out to control you don’t need confirmation when the name is exactly the same besides like two letters and who also has exactly the same role and relation to the main characters as in the comics, let’s go over why Gabriella Rossetti is Gabriel the Devil Hunter and why it wasn’t reported. 1. Firstly Gabriel is such a minor character to begin with I doubt deadline would go out of their way to state the obvious I mean come on it’s prettu clear she’s a gender swapped version. 2. If you did your research you would know there is only one character in marvel comics with the name Gabriel Rossetti and that’s Gabriel the Devil Hunter, again I can see why your confused because the article says Gabriel The Devil Hunter but you have to understand that is his alias like Namor The Sub-Mariner, his real name is Gabriel Rossetti. 3. Additionally Gabriel Rossetti in the comics was a exorcist and member of the Vatican like Gabriella is described as in the synopsis for the series, in addition it states she has a strong link to the helstroms, and the only member of the Vatican strongly linked to the Helstrom twins is Gabriel Rossetti, so unless you can source someone else it’s unlikely this character is Anyone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.200.209 (talk) 16:16, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here on Wikipedia, we do happen to need confirmation that the character is an adaptation of a character with a similar name. Per the discussion on here above, it has been decided that you need an official source to confirm that the character is an adaptation, and that if it is added without such a source, it is WP:OR. It is very likely that she's a gender-swapped version, but that's not been officially stated by Marvel or Hulu, so we can't add it. In this case, it is best to be patient and wait until Marvel or Hulu officially confirm the character is a female adaptation, but as of now, that is not confirmed, so we can't add it. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That may be the case if the character has a different last name but when the difference is just 1 Letter I think that it’s just a little silly to have to cite a source for something which is pretty obvious, going by your logic Daimon Helstrom isn’t Daimon Hellstrom because his name is missing one l, which again is something which is pretty ridiculous, anyway Gabriel the Devil hunters names already there it’s Gabriel Rossetti with an a added on and before you talk about the last name Rossetti can be spelt either as that or as Rosetti, again your acting very immature and warping Wikipedia rules to suit your argument because I’ve read original research and that only applies for like charcters where there’s no info at all but at this point multiple sites have already stated her to be an apdatation of Gabriel the Devil Hunter, and before you shout unreliable I’ve looked at Wikipedia’s list of unreliable sites to cite and the one I linked earlier didn’t appear on it so as far as I’m concerned it’s is ok as the information on it is accurate and matches up and even cites the deadline one, adding more to its credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.202.209 (talk) 16:42, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here’s the article again for your viewing pleasure and anyway there was a version of Gabriel the Devil Hunter who was female and also called Gabriella as an alternate university counterpart to Gabriel it was from the counter earth reality where there was a female Bucky Barnes also called Rebecca “Rikki” Barnes so this ain’t a new concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.202.209 (talk) 16:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike with Damion Hellstrom to Damion Helstrom, which was confirmed by Marvel and Hulu, Gabriella Rosetti being the same as Gabriel Rosetti / The Devil Hunter has not been confirmed by Marvel or Hulu. It is very likely to be such, but since it has not been confirmed, we can't add it. That's the policy. If you don't agree with it, that's fine, but I'm just enforcing it with what's been officially confirmed. Please be patient and wait until an official source confirms it. Blogs can say all they want, but just be patient. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:14, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve tried explaining myself but your just being unreasonable look His name is Gabriel Rossetti Her name is Gabriella Rossetti They’ve both part of Vatican They’ve both exorcists They’ve both related closely to Daimon / Satana which was elaborated on in the deadline report. It’s not that they’ve names are similar they’ve exactly the same besides the la on the end and Rossetti can either be spelled like that or with one s (Rosetti) so it the s is the thing which is influencing your argument well news flash it can either be spelled Rosetti or Rossetti they mean the same thing which is relating to the colour red. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.200.145 (talk) 17:19, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It appears the IP is performing a bit of WP:SYNTH. We're in no rush, let's wait for the reliable sources to come to confirm this, not use our or a sources speculation on the matter. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:14, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Again I’ll say this again this is not speculation Gabriel the Devil hunters real name is Gabriel Rossetti and they just added an la on the end to show that it’s a female interpretation it’s not that hard to understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.22.153 (talk) 20:42, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Season article and template

PhilCoulson20 As a new user, I strongly urge you to slow down a bit and familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. To both of your creations, the season article is WP:TOOSOON, given a) the series has not even premiered yet, b) WP:SIZESPLIT applies, and c) moves to individual season articles are not even considered until a series has been renewed for a second season. And with this series' case, that seems highly unlikely. For the template, you need at least a handful of articles to justify a navigational template, and the only other related article to this is the Adventure into Fear, of which it is linked in article already at this time. Again, I suggest you slow down a bit. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this still part of the MCU?

Besides the lack of a Marvel logo, as well as sources saying there are no MCU connections, including from the showerunner. Is it still appropriate to say the show is part of the MCU? - Richiekim (talk) 10:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. In the EW article, Paul Zbyszewski said: "We are siloed off [from the MCU]". The article still lists Helstrom in the same group as other MCU-Marvel TV shows: "...which purposefully lacks the ownership signifier "Marvel's" that every other show in the universe carries." YgorD3 (talk) 11:23, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe there's a better way we can handle it though? Because it's like barely part of it, in-universe reasons not withstanding. Maybe we transition to more "related" status rather than fully visible in tables and group articles? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 12:36, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. YgorD3 (talk) 12:39, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that would be the best course of action. Trailblazer101 (talk) 12:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok here are my suggestions. For this article:
  • Remove the MCU TV series link from the infobox
  • Move the sentence in the first paragraph about "It tells a standalone story within the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)" to the second production paragraph, with wording adjusted how it started as a MCU show, but shifted away from that.
  • Change "Marvel Cinematic Universe tie-ins" section to "Relationship to the Marvel Cinematic Universe"
For the MCU nav box:
  • Switch the row heading from AitF to "Related" and put AitF in the row with Helstrom
For the list of TV series:
  • Remove the table and subsection under Marvel Television
  • Move the prose to a new level 2 heading after Marvel Studios called "Related"
For the TV series actor list:
  • Remove Helstrom from it and make the series a "See also" link
In other tangential articles like the Marvel Television and list of television series based on Marvel Comics, maybe we make the notes say "Related to the MCU" with this EW link. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 13:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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