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Yeah, this is a disambiguation page. David Cameron's title hasn't even been announced yet. Blanking this page to create a redirect is vandalism and said user has been notified. UaMaol (talk) 19:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Right now this page says "David Cameron, Baron Cameron" which is (1) not the title of the target, (2) unsourced, and (3) not found in his article. I can't find him being announced as "Baron Cameron" anywhere and it looks like speculation based on "Baroness Thatcher". The Independent says it may take weeks for the various things like letters patent and title selections to go through the process. I'm changing it back to "David Cameron". JM (talk) 22:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This new title seems to have happened just this month. A Google Books search for Lord Cameron brings up a variety of topics, none of them David Cameron. Isn't this blatant WP:Recentism? --Joy (talk) 10:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You can't be suggesting there be books on DC's FS tenure just over two weeks in? Any other Lord Cameron from the last few hundred years will never be as notable or famous as a foreign secretary and prime minister. RECENTISM is a real issue, but not here. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Surely notability and fame need to be at least somewhat measurable in context. If the average English reader starts strongly associating this term with this person, then a primary redirect will be warranted; otherwise it isn't. Note average English reader, not the average person who closely follows British politics. --Joy (talk) 17:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's what I'm saying: a prime minister and foreign secretary called "Lord Cameron" will be the most historically famous Lord Cameron in existence, measured against all of history. Given that DC is a foreign secretary and was the prime minister he won't be an unknown to most readers. Look at this graph. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not a PM, only one peerage title by that name and he was notable under that name for many years. David Cameron, on the other hand, has only just been raised to the peerage and is far more notable under his actual name, under which he served as PM. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. While it seems a little premature to be definitively stating that David Cameron is the primary topic here, opposing would only delay the inevitable. Reliable sources are calling him "Lord Cameron" and he is far more prominent than any of the others on the dab page. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Lord_Cameron shows that in January '24, there were a total of 782 incoming views, and we could identify 461 outgoing clickstreams, of which 366 went to David, and four other topics has 20+. The latter is too close to the anonymization threshold of <10 to be safe to say it's accurate, but at 366 it's unlikely we're missing any source-destination pair, so that's ~80% of the identifiable ones but only ~47% of the total views. The link to David Cameron is #2 in the list, so it doesn't seem likely that moving it to #1 would substantially change this. Let's track the numbers for a couple more months. --Joy (talk) 16:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In February, the incoming views were at 491, and in March at 391.[1] In the clickstreams:
clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:
Lord_Cameron David_Cameron link 269 (~54.8% / ~82%)
Lord_Cameron Ewen_Cameron,_Baron_Cameron_of_Dillington link 20
Lord_Cameron Lord_Fairfax_of_Cameron link 15
Lord_Cameron Kenneth_Cameron,_Baron_Cameron_of_Lochbroom link 13
Lord_Cameron Neil_Cameron,_Baron_Cameron_of_Balhousie link 11
total: 328
clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:
Lord_Cameron David_Cameron link 142 (~36.3% / ~52%)
Lord_Cameron Donald_Cameron,_Baron_Cameron_of_Lochiel link 51
Lord_Cameron Ewen_Cameron,_Baron_Cameron_of_Dillington link 28
Lord_Cameron Kenneth_Cameron,_Baron_Cameron_of_Lochbroom link 24
Lord_Cameron Lord_Fairfax_of_Cameron link 14
Lord_Cameron Neil_Cameron,_Baron_Cameron_of_Balhousie link 13
In May, with 366 views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:
Lord_Cameron David_Cameron link 190 (~51.9% / ~83%)
Lord_Cameron Donald_Cameron,_Baron_Cameron_of_Lochiel link 27
Lord_Cameron Lord_Fairfax_of_Cameron link 12
total: 229 to 3 identified destinations
I also noticed that I didn't count incoming views from incoming redirects. The pattern seems largely the same, it just makes the percentages slightly lower.
All in all, it seems likely that David Cameron is driving roughly at least about two thirds of this new traffic. It's not impossible that the list confuses some people looking for him and they give up. It's also not impossible that some people learn something about the ambiguity of that title. This is exactly the kind of borderline territory where we're left with a bit of a conundrum as to how to reconcile long-term significance and usage. --Joy (talk) 20:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]