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Barely an objective article. Words like "virulently anti-Israel" should and could be replaced by different wordings like "critical of Israel". The same goes for "minimized the oppression..." and others. This article is more than clearly biased. Perhaps it's good for the blogosphere but not for wikipedia. If one is unable too control one's political ideas, perhaps one shouldn't edit Wikipedia pages. 94.237.41.78 (talk) 11:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
This is the biography of a living person. The "Iran" section is too long (taking up 70% of the article's space), with too much weight and emphasis given to the opinions of a few partisan critics, some of which includes personal attacks on the subject. In my opinion, the section violates WP:Undue weight and WP:BLP. It should be summarized and re-written. --NewLionDragon (talk) 21:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
JTA is a reliable source. This is a reliable incident. As well, the article is relatively long and claiming that a few sentences is too much weight does not seem right to me. The Squicks (talk) 19:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I feel there is no problem with the weight of critics to source. Very few people moved forward to defend Roger Cohen on the article, not even fellow Times writers. Additionally, a number of those blogs and people would not considered a reliable source per sourcing rules. If a well-known politician called for the end of the income tax for example, and no one stepped forward to defend the notion, but everyone stepped forward to complain about the article for legitimate reasons, then by definition any articles on it will outweigh the source. This is hardly the first time Roger Cohen has stated opinion that large numbers of people disagree with including Cohen has said that Iranian government does not want to kill Iranian Jews, his critics say they want them to convert and make life miserable until they do. One of the worst incidents I ever saw regarding Roger Cohen was a Jewish Iranian woman stood up to explain about her opinion which was oppression and was shouted down by the moderator, she did not even get to ask the question the event was so biased against her never mind a response from Cohen. Other times Cohen has defended the current leader of Sudan over the Darfur province. Also, he has stated that Jews (he said Jews, not Israelis I assure you) should ignore Iranian president Ahmadinejad's(sp?) rhetoric. The guy has some strange priorities in my opinion for the middle east editor of the United States paper of record. 68.228.51.49 (talk) 07:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
This is opinion, not fact. It's also highly inflammatory, and a BLP violation. I can see that editors have tried to have me blocked for pointing this out. But a BLP violation is a BLP violation.
The best thing to do is to quote Cohen himself, and to link to his articles/statements/appearances themselves. We should let the reader decide their opinions. Here, we must stick to facts. The Squicks (talk) 03:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Any energies spent debating the issue should be directed here. The Squicks (talk) 03:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm sick of the stupid edit warring about this rather than talking.
Anways, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive64#Roger_Cohen
There was no consensus of editors in any direction. Three editors supported the inclusion of the paragraph and three did not. The discussion was not resolved. If it is to be resolved, please post here. The Squicks (talk) 20:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Opposed to including the paragraph is Rd232, you, and RegentsPark.
In support of it is Astarabadi, me, and Whyzeee.
That's not resolved at all. The Squicks (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, that past BLP notice was primarily about A SENTENCE that has since been removed and resolved. Whereas the entire paragraph of material was another issue that was brought up at the notice and was not resolved. Please understand the difference. The Squicks (talk) 21:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
"...At this time and afterward, questions arose about whether or not Cohen's pro-Bosnian Muslim/pro-Sarajevo and anti-Bosnian Serb beliefs crossed the line, making him more of an advocate than an objective reporter..."
Cohen has taken several different positions on different Iran-related issue, so we can not equivocally say that "he has changed his position on Iran" , which "position" are we talking about here? Is he advocating military action against Iran? Is he retracting his comments on Iranian Jews? The answer is no and no. This edit [2] is is a clear violation of WP:OR and WP:Weasel, since it is an OR interpretation and characterization of Cohen's latest comments. Please stick to what Cohen actually says, without any interpretation, and let the readers decide for themselves what it means. --Kurdo777 (talk) 23:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
An MA degree from Oxford, about the time Cohen graduated, is an honorary degree -- given to those who graduated with an undergraduate degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Arts_(Oxbridge_and_Dublin)
The article needs to clarify whether it refers to the honorary degree or to a degree awarded for postgraduate studies. At present, it reads as if Cohen studied for two postgraduate degrees. If this is correct, it should be written with the proper nomenclature (Master of Studies). Does anyone have more information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.218.243.152 (talk) 11:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
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"would have entered College, the scholars' House, but was told that a Jew could not attend College"
What College? ---Dagme (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2019 (UTC)