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Rome has been sacked on numerous occasions and this is hardly the most famous one. Could we consider redirecting this to History of Rome or at least creating more than "sack of Rome" article?
Peter Isotalo 23:19, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
This article has been expanded significantly in recent months. Is it really still a stub?
It says charles was greatly embarrassed by the conduct of his troops, but he was dead at the time - how could he be embarrassed then, or how would anyone know about it?
Personally I think that Charles was likly not all that embarrassed because I think this was his intent all along. I have yet to see anything conclusive to show that the soldiers not getting paid was a sad accident. I am among those who believe that Charles V intentionally did not pay the Landsknechts. He must have known (as any leader and many regular citizens did) that this would make them more fierce, and destructive in fighting. I know that I do not have the proof, but Ihave not seen proof of non-intent either and wish that the lack of funds had not been mentioned here as fact.
Most of the history articles are packed with citations, this article has practically none. If folks could add citations, that would be helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ratagonia (talk • contribs) 19:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC).
The article has a dead link citing an 1891 book by Froude. I reckon it is this book. Page 27 may be worth citing, for the sentence beginning "To ask a...".--AlphaMikeOmega (talk) 18:06, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that this page be placed into a new category of "Plunder" or "Looting" along with articles like Nazi plunder, Czartoryski Museum, Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans, National Museum of Iraq, Looted art, Canicattì slaughter, Royal Casket, New York City blackout of 1977, Amber Room, Rescuing Da Vinci, Los Angeles riots of 1992, Laocoön and his Sons, The Rape of Europa and other similar articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.117.113 (talk) 01:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
"After three days of ravages, Phillisuon ordered the sack to cease..."
There's no mention of Phillisuon before this sentence -- who is he? --Jfruh (talk) 17:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The "in Fiction" section refers to the Sack being reference in Batman Begins and the basis for the sack in an Issac Asimov novel. I believe both of these are actually references to the sack of Rome by the Visigoths in 432(?) as they both are mentioned as the destructions of societies at their peak, or destruction of corrupt cultures; a check on excess. There may be more instances of this in the section, but those are the ones I noticed. Can we correct this? --151.191.175.232 (talk) 14:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)cem 10:27 8/12/08
What should be under notes is under references, if anyone wants to fix. I can later, since I am very new to wiki, but if anyone more experienced wants to, be my guest. Uberlieder (talk) 01:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I was just reading a popular history book about 16th century Spain which mentioned other events that were influenced by the Sack of Rome. I don't have the book any longer (went back to the library) and it was a popular history so there is probably a better source out there, but could these events also be included?
The article should explain in more detail the tremendous price human culture and history paid to make those 400k ducats the Pope offered as ransom to survive the pillage. In fact the Vatican chambers did not have that much money, Michelangelo personally had to melt down uncountable many sacred treasures to obtain enough raw gold and silver for new minting.
Besides whole rooms of communion vessels and gilded gold crosses, an original crown of St. Stephan I, founding King of Hungary was also among the relics melted down. He sent it back to the Vatican in 1038 AD from his deathbed, since he had no living heir.
(Whether the currently venerated Holy Crown of Hungary ever belonged is to King Stephan the First is a hotly debated matter. It is known to exist since 1200AD at least, possibly much older. Some argue the crown melted down in the Vatican was King Stephan I's daily use headgear and the Holy Crown was his ritual use only crown.) 91.83.16.58 (talk) 21:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
The article states that the sack marked the end of the Roman Renaissance. Is that fair to say when the successor of Clement VII was Pope Paul III (the Farnese Pope)? Paul III employed Michelangelo to design the Campidoglio (one of the most significant contributions to architecture) and the last Judgment in the Sistine Chapel. Paul III was also heavily active in European Politics. Some might even say that the end of the Roman Renaissance happens after the death of Pope Sixtus V. All this to say, such a harsh cut-off date is probably more of a speed-bump. any opinions on this matter?Yullover (talk) 16:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
"Other books" is not a very helpful section for a Wikipedia page. Kindly restore these as they are used to verify points in the article or once they have a gloss somewhere in the article explaining their importance/relevance:
— LlywelynII 05:04, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
The entire section 'In fiction' is trivia. It currently comprises nearly 40% of the article. It is tangential to the subject, and should, at least, be pruned of the more ephemeral references (e.g. Wolf Hall, which does not present the facts accurately).
--Vicedomino (talk) 03:20, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
15,000 losses to the Spanish? is this refering to desertion of the men? it says the walls were easily captured, doesnt seem easy if 3/4 of the force was lost..? If 15,000 losses because of desertion i feel that should be made clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:AA0C:2700:9D79:1576:565A:5452 (talk) 13:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
I believe that Stand of the Swiss Guard should be merged into this article as most of the content on the page is described here. The only additional content it adds is a little blurb about the stand of the Swiss Guard. It could probably just be made into a section on this page. Blorper234 (talk) 04:21, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
The Passetto is a several-story-tall wall that runs through the streets of Rome. Anyone can see that it goes from the Vatican to the Castel Sant'Angelo. You can even see it on satellite photos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeHaveTwelveFeet (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sack of Rome (1527)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "auto1":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:15, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I am not sure wether this event is justified to be entered into this category, which takes up a pretty large space of the page with its list of other events. In 1527 Protestant Landsknechts formed less then half of the army, the rest being Catholic Italians, Spaniards and Germans, led by Catholic Leaders in the name of the Catholic Emperor (elect) and the event took part in a war where the pope was a clear war party. While there clearly were antipapal units within the German contingent, the actual Sacco had nothing to do with "persecutions of the catholic church", and I ask those in support of that categorization to please back that up with sources. If there are none within the next two weeks I will remove the categorization from this article. ASchudak (talk) 14:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I rephrased the content in the Introduction, especially concerning the reasons for the later abandonment of the city and the fate of the League. Some of the stuff should probably not be in the introduction but in the Aftermath-section, but that is currently more dwelling on the cultural consequences, not on the military and political operations. There is some major work ahead. I will dig up some references from Mallet and Arfaioli for my statements and add these to the sourcelist (in around a week). Comments and criticism welcome! ASchudak (talk) 11:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
The text of the article says there were 189 Swiss Guards, of whom 42 survived (so 147 were killed). However, the infobox says there were 500 Swiss Guards, of whom 458 were killed (which is presumably based on the fact that 42 survived - although the specificity of 458 assumes that there were exactly 500 to start with, which seems somewhat unlikely). Clearly that's a pretty major discrepancy, although at least there's agreement on the number of survivors. Frustratingly, both figures are sourced; for the first:
And for the second:
There's also the fact that the introduction says that "the Swiss Guard were annihilated". If 42 survived, "almost annihilated" would be more accurate. Proteus (Talk) 09:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)